3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There is a mainstream view which the majority of Americans support and could easily pass in congress with bipartisan votes if "trump" would sign it, isolated to the border security issue --

 

-- Repair existing walls and fences (mostly in urban areas)

 

-- Build new walls and fences in limited tactical areas or to replace existing ones instead of repair

 

-- Expand "virtual wall" technology in all areas without a physical barrier

 

Contrary to "trump" toxic propaganda there is no significant support for "open borders" among democrats. Not now, not in the past, not EVER. They are simply red baiting / fear mongering / demonizing. 

 

Every nation has a right to control their borders including of course the USA.

 

"Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it" was simply a branding thing. 

 

"trump" will continue to use it and blame not being able to do that (because everyone knows it will never happen in the sense of a full border physical wall and Mexico paying one peso) on the anti-"trump" forces.

 

Get real and grow up. 

Get cracking Jingy, sounds like a workable plan for now. And also expand the Border Patrol forces.

 

 

Get cracking Jingy, sounds like a workable plan for now. And also expand the Border Patrol forces.    

 

 

Yes. It's common sense. Not enough for "trump." He's trying to use saving the DACA people to blackmail democrats in order to pass MAWA policies that do not have even close to majority support. It won't work but it's really too bad what he's putting the DACA people through. A clean DACA plus border security compromise short of the great orange border wall of "trump" would also easily pass congress. He refused that.   

 

 

To add you don't have my permission to refer to me as Jingy. For you it's Mister Jingthing Sir!

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On 1/27/2018 at 11:21 PM, Scott said:

Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

I wasn't able to vote.  I'm guessing, that the majority wanting him to finish his term, wasn't quite what you expected.  

I wasn't able to vote.  I'm guessing, that the majority wanting him to finish his term, wasn't quite what you expected.  

Isn't the poll still open? Perhaps you viewed results first before voting. I think that action castrates your chance to vote.

Some people are voted yes that don't actually support "trump for reasons other than supporting him.

But surprise or not in the real world his approval ratings among all Americans is low and not currently enough to get reelected even with losing the popular vote as before.

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4 hours ago, TonyClifton said:

I wasn't able to vote.  I'm guessing, that the majority wanting him to finish his term, wasn't quite what you expected.  

You can stop trolling.   You voted on Feb. 6.  

 

So what?

"trump" so called "winning" on a totally unscientific forum poll does not mean it's open season on gloating or insisting there is nothing left to discuss on the anti side. Not saying you did that but others did. I for one won't be cowered by such games of attempted online intimidation.

 

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24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So what?

"trump" so called "winning" on a totally unscientific forum poll does not mean it's open season on gloating or insisting there is nothing left to discuss on the anti side. Not saying you did that but others did. I for one won't be cowered by such games of attempted online intimidation.

 

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I’m having a hard time digesting your last statement. I’ve been told in this very thread that I’m less than a person, a blatant racist, and should be viewed with complete distain because I voted trump and will vote for him again as long as democrat politics stay the same. 

 

Most posters in this thread are liberal, take every specious claim published in the media like oath, and most “political analysis” of said specious reporting like the word of Christ himself. 

 

 

39 minutes ago, Scott said:

You can stop trolling.   You voted of Feb. 6.  

 

1 hour ago, TonyClifton said:

I wasn't able to vote.  I'm guessing, that the majority wanting him to finish his term, wasn't quite what you expected.  

 

I'm betting you voted that you didn't want Trump to finish. 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Isn't the poll still open? Perhaps you viewed results first before voting. I think that action castrates your chance to vote.

Some people are voted yes that don't actually support "trump for reasons other than supporting him.

But surprise or not in the real world his approval ratings among all Americans is low and not currently enough to get reelected even with losing the popular vote as before.

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Oh he will get re-elected. I keep going back and forth about it but the end of the day what do the dems have? Take ur guns, increase your tax, open borders, globalism, support of anti-Semites, expensive healthcare, free speech restrictions, illegal immigrants above American citizens, socialism, and on and on and on....  

 

Democrats have been sooo busy taking trumps bait and trying to obstruct everything he does that they’ve got nothing to run on now. 

 

And what they have put forth is literally a watered down version of Trumps policies LOL

 

Seriously it’s almost like they WANT trump to get another term and WANT to stay the minority in politics. 

 
I’m having a hard time digesting your last statement. I’ve been told in this very thread that I’m less than a person, a blatant racist, and should be viewed with complete distain because I voted trump and will vote for him again as long as democrat politics stay the same. 
 
Most posters in this thread are liberal, take every specious claim published in the media like oath, and most “political analysis” of said specious reporting like the word of Christ himself. 
 
 

I didn't call you any of those things. That doesn't mean though that I respect "trump" supporters. As you know there is a lot of division now. "trump" is making that much worse. As far as his reelection let's see him make it through his first term first shall we?

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Oh he will get re-elected. I keep going back and forth about it but the end of the day what do the dems have? Take ur guns, increase your tax, open borders, globalism, support of anti-Semites, expensive healthcare, free speech restrictions, illegal immigrants above American citizens, socialism, and on and on and on....  

 

Democrats have been sooo busy taking trumps bait and trying to obstruct everything he does that they’ve got nothing to run on now. 

 

And what they have put forth is literally a watered down version of Trumps policies LOL

 

Seriously it’s almost like they WANT trump to get another term and WANT to stay the minority in politics. 

It's like we're living on different planets.

 

BTW nobody believes you go back and forth on it. You want to support "trump?" Fine. Own it!

 

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14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's like we're living on different planets.

 

BTW nobody believes you go back and forth on it. You want to support "trump?" Fine. Own it!

 

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I feel the same when I read your posts. 

 

I keep going back and forth on weather  or not he’ll get another win, not weather or not I’ll vote for him LOL. I’d gladly vote independent if it meant universal healthcare, left muh gunz alone, left my money alone, and ended this illegal immigrant charade once and for all, but the dems have gone so far left that will never happen and they might not ever recover from it. 

 

Watch what politicians are saying and doing instead of MSM talking head “analysis” on these subjects. 

5 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

I feel the same when I read your posts. 

 

I keep going back and forth on weather  or not he’ll get another win, not weather or not I’ll vote for him LOL. I’d gladly vote independent if it meant universal healthcare, left muh gunz alone, left my money alone, and ended this illegal immigrant charade once and for all, but the dems have gone so far left that will never happen and they might not ever recover from it. 

 

Watch what politicians are saying and doing instead of MSM talking head “analysis” on these subjects. 

Have you considered watching how voters have been voting lately?

 
I feel the same when I read your posts. 
 
I keep going back and forth on weather  or not he’ll get another win, not weather or not I’ll vote for him LOL. I’d gladly vote independent if it meant universal healthcare, left muh gunz alone, left my money alone, and ended this illegal immigrant charade once and for all, but the dems have gone so far left that will never happen and they might not ever recover from it. 
 
Watch what politicians are saying and doing instead of MSM talking head “analysis” on these subjects. 

Don't even bother trying to convert me to your bizarre POV.

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8 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Have you considered watching how voters have been voting lately?

 

Sorry, is there some massive blue wave that’s supposed to be happening? Because all over the media it’s being compared to a literal ripple thus far. 

 

But hey, you do you. Maybe people really do want to pay more in taxes and prioritize illegal immigrants wellbeing over actual citizens.

 

That might work too. That will surely finish Trump. 

23 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Sorry, is there some massive blue wave that’s supposed to be happening? Because all over the media it’s being compared to a literal ripple thus far. 

 

But hey, you do you. Maybe people really do want to pay more in taxes and prioritize illegal immigrants wellbeing over actual citizens.

 

That might work too. That will surely finish Trump. 

I know a lot of liberals, but I know and live around more conservatives.   

 

I know a lot of people who don't mind taxes going to pay for services needed by the general population.   I don't know anyone who supports illegal immigration (OK, maybe one way-out-there person who doesn't believe there should be borders anywhere in the world).   I do know people who support DACA and dreamers because they were children and did not consent to coming to the US.   I also know people who are for sensible reasons to allow those who are illegal to stay, such as when they are married to a US citizen, have a US citizen child and those for whom return would be extremely injurious, so a little bit of compassion and humanitarian considerations to be taken into account before deporting people.   

 

I know a few, but VERY few people who want to outlaw guns in general.   I do know a lot who would like sensible gun control to prevent war-type weapons in the hands of anyone.   

 

With the exception of the outer fringes of both sides, the people that I know only disagree on the degree to which we should control many of these problems.

 

2 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

I’m having a hard time digesting your last statement. I’ve been told in this very thread that I’m less than a person, a blatant racist, and should be viewed with complete distain because I voted trump and will vote for him again as long as democrat politics stay the same. 

 

Most posters in this thread are liberal, take every specious claim published in the media like oath, and most “political analysis” of said specious reporting like the word of Christ himself. 

 

 

yes!

Veteran CIA agent on Trump: “Corruption like we’ve never seen before”

Longtime CIA analyst Melvin Goodman: Russian hacking isn’t as dangerous as the “dumbing down of this country”

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/12/veteran-cia-agent-on-trump-corruption-like-weve-never-seen-before/

 

9 minutes ago, Opl said:

yes!

Veteran CIA agent on Trump: “Corruption like we’ve never seen before”

Longtime CIA analyst Melvin Goodman: Russian hacking isn’t as dangerous as the “dumbing down of this country”

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/12/veteran-cia-agent-on-trump-corruption-like-weve-never-seen-before/

 

 

Corruption like we've never seen before? So, where'd all this money go?

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-audit-army/u-s-army-fudged-its-accounts-by-trillions-of-dollars-auditor-finds-idUSKCN10U1IG

Interesting reason given to support the republican in the current special congressional race in the Pittsburgh area. I don't really agree. The democrats aren't exactly unified yet on impeaching "trump." They will be if Mueller uncovers some serious dirt, which is of course quite possible.

 

 

Quote

 

There is another consideration. If Mr. Lamb, 33, wins, it could well be the start of a Democratic wave. The prospect of a Democratic House may please partisans, but it might be bad for the country.

The Democrats in the House have only one agenda item at the moment, and it isn’t health care or jobs. It is impeachment. Regardless of whether one likes this president or his policies, one must ask what the consequence for the country will be if we dive into so great a distraction.

 

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2018/03/11/Saccone-for-Congress-The-state-rep-is-ready-to-move-on-to-U-S-House/stories/201803110076

53 minutes ago, Credo said:

I know a few, but VERY few people who want to outlaw guns in general.   I do know a lot who would like sensible gun control to prevent war-type weapons in the hands of anyone.   

 

Yeah see that looks real nice on paper but the end result is a ban on standard length semi auto rifles, and as such would do nothing to reduce firearms deaths in the USA. Most deaths are a result of handguns and most of those deaths are suicide. I’m not ok with that. 

 

2A is to fight against tyranny and oppression. Can’t do that with a bolt action rifle and a pistol with (insert arbitrary ammo limit). 

 

If so many believe that the “vast majority” want “gun control” then politicians would go after the amendment itself and make firearm ownership a privilege like everywhere else in the world. But they won’t. Because they can’t. 

 

But the rest of what you posted is true. Most people are fairly moderate outside of this forum. I used to think I was pretty moderate as well but I’ve dug in pretty hard lately. 

 

Unfortunately there arent really any mainstream moderate moderate politicians to vote for so you kind of have to pick a side or stop caring. I’m not ready to stop caring, and can’t stand current liberal politics, so Trump it is. 

3 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Yeah see that looks real nice on paper but the end result is a ban on standard length semi auto rifles, and as such would do nothing to reduce firearms deaths in the USA. Most deaths are a result of handguns and most of those deaths are suicide. I’m not ok with that. 

 

2A is to fight against tyranny and oppression. Can’t do that with a bolt action rifle and a pistol with (insert arbitrary ammo limit). 

 

If so many believe that the “vast majority” want “gun control” then politicians would go after the amendment itself and make firearm ownership a privilege like everywhere else in the world. But they won’t. Because they can’t. 

 

But the rest of what you posted is true. Most people are fairly moderate outside of this forum. I used to think I was pretty moderate as well but I’ve dug in pretty hard lately. 

 

Unfortunately there arent really any mainstream moderate moderate politicians to vote for so you kind of have to pick a side or stop caring. I’m not ready to stop caring, and can’t stand current liberal politics, so Trump it is. 

I doubt that the country, from either side of the divide, are quite ready to take on the 2nd Amendment.    The assault-type weapons such as the AR-15, are what is currently being discussed.   The discussion isn't so much about total deaths, at this point, but about those targeted in mass shootings.   

 

I am not inclined to argue with you about the rights or wrongs, though.   

 

3 minutes ago, Credo said:

I doubt that the country, from either side of the divide, are quite ready to take on the 2nd Amendment.    The assault-type weapons such as the AR-15, are what is currently being discussed.   The discussion isn't so much about total deaths, at this point, but about those targeted in mass shootings.   

 

I am not inclined to argue with you about the rights or wrongs, though.   

 

 

Yeah, and then after they ban “assault rifles” (already banned btw) then those remaining bolt action rifles become “sniper rifles” and calls for those to be banned and so on and so forth until the Second Amendment is de-facto repealed anyway. 

 

Ya can’t tunnelvision the topic to fit what you want, there is a bigger picture to be seen, and the ramifications of such discussion in the long term. 

 

Ill never bend the knee on the subject so I guess I’m with ya on your last statement. 

 

Trump is actually going farther on gun control than I would care for as well. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Opl said:

yes!

Veteran CIA agent on Trump: “Corruption like we’ve never seen before”

Longtime CIA analyst Melvin Goodman: Russian hacking isn’t as dangerous as the “dumbing down of this country”

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/12/veteran-cia-agent-on-trump-corruption-like-weve-never-seen-before/

 

Goodman  hasn't worked  for the intel agency for many years.He's writing and teaching.To suggest that American's are dumb because they  voted for change  via current  POTUS and that its  more dangerous then Russian hacking is his opinion. At the very bottom of the very liberal news source(salon) was this question

 

Is there anything that gives you hope about America in the age of Trump?

"The hope that I have is that Americans realize a major mistake was made by their lack of attention and cynicism about politics which allowed the election of someone who was unfit to serve. When I took part in the women's march in January last year, when I took part in the science march in April of last year, I got the feeling of real activism. I see the hope that Americans realize that they could lose their democracy".

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Collusion.

No delusion.

Quote

 

Mueller’s Choice of Criminal Charges: Why the Trump Team Should Be Very Worried

...
In short, we know that they colluded. 

 

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/muellers-choice-of-criminal-charges-why-the-trump-team-should-be-very-worried.html

 

1 hour ago, riclag said:

...

 

Is there anything that gives you hope about America in the age of Trump?

"The hope that I have is that Americans realize a major mistake was made by their lack of attention and cynicism about politics which allowed the election of someone who was unfit to serve. When I took part in the women's march in January last year, when I took part in the science march in April of last year, I got the feeling of real activism. I see the hope that Americans realize that they could lose their democracy".

Nice hopeful quote. Thanks for that. 

9 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Sorry, is there some massive blue wave that’s supposed to be happening? Because all over the media it’s being compared to a literal ripple thus far. 

 

But hey, you do you. Maybe people really do want to pay more in taxes and prioritize illegal immigrants wellbeing over actual citizens.

 

That might work too. That will surely finish Trump. 

Actually, most people of both politcal parties do want the rich to pay more in taxes, not less.

Most Americans want to raise taxes on the rich: poll

As President Donald Trump promotes a tax plan that critics say would raise the federal deficit by slashing corporate rates and eliminating some taxes paid by the rich, some three-quarters of Americans believe the wealthiest should pay more, Reuters/Ipsos polling shows.

https://nypost.com/2017/10/11/most-americans-want-to-raise-taxes-on-the-rich-poll/

 

And as for illegal immigrants, there's this:

Fox News Poll: 83 percent support pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants

Large majorities of voters favor granting work permits or citizenship to illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States as children, according to the latest Fox News poll.

Sixty-two percent say it is extremely or very important Congress pass immigration law that will address the Dreamers. Voters think this is more important than passing new health care (58 percent important) or tax reform legislation (52 percent).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/28/fox-news-poll-83-percent-support-pathway-to-citizenship-for-illegal-immigrants.html

 

 

Polls show Americans are closer to Democrats than Donald Trump on immigration

• Quinnipiac, February 2-5, 2018: 59 percent oppose a wall on the border with Mexico;37 percent support one.
• Monmouth University, January 28-30, 2018: 57 percent oppose a wall; 40 percent support one.
• Pew Research Center, January 10-15, 2018: 60 percent oppose a wall; 37 percent support one.                                                                                                   https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/3/16959458/immigration-trump-compromise-public-opinion-poll-dreamers-wall

I so wish we could just have a flat tax. Everyone pays the same. From the lowest wage to the highest. No more loop holes.

 

It's fine to address the so called dreamers, just don't give the store away. 

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

I so wish we could just have a flat tax. Everyone pays the same. From the lowest wage to the highest. No more loop holes.

 

It's fine to address the so called dreamers, just don't give the store away. 

Flat tax is regressive. 

The simplicity is appealing but that's it's only appeal.

 

13 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Yeah see that looks real nice on paper but the end result is a ban on standard length semi auto rifles, and as such would do nothing to reduce firearms deaths in the USA. Most deaths are a result of handguns and most of those deaths are suicide. I’m not ok with that. 

 

2A is to fight against tyranny and oppression. Can’t do that with a bolt action rifle and a pistol with (insert arbitrary ammo limit). 

 

If so many believe that the “vast majority” want “gun control” then politicians would go after the amendment itself and make firearm ownership a privilege like everywhere else in the world. But they won’t. Because they can’t. 

 

But the rest of what you posted is true. Most people are fairly moderate outside of this forum. I used to think I was pretty moderate as well but I’ve dug in pretty hard lately. 

 

Unfortunately there arent really any mainstream moderate moderate politicians to vote for so you kind of have to pick a side or stop caring. I’m not ready to stop caring, and can’t stand current liberal politics, so Trump it is. 

"2A is to fight against tyranny and oppression. Can’t do that with a bolt action rifle and a pistol with (insert arbitrary ammo limit)."

 

I agree that you can't take on tanks with a bolt action rifle and a pistol.  You also can't take on tanks with an AR15.  In fact an AR15 isn't good for much beyond carnage.

 

As I pointed out earlier in replying to one of your posts, the Second Amendment was written at a time when civilian arms were as good as or better than military arms.  Well organized civilian militias with civilian arms could present a serious challenge to regular armies in the eighteenth century.  That is no longer true.  The Second Amendment is obsolete, it no longer serves a useful purpose.

 

Polls show that the majority of Americans do want sensible gun control.  However lobbying by the NRA and the clout of single-issue voters is preventing Congress from doing what the majority wants.  That is not unusual.