American who killed Australian tourist in Pattaya bar fight has murdered before

[Skeptic7]

22 hours ago, ezzra said:

One man is a convicted murder, the deceased is a known trouble maker and a bully, what a fine

specimen of human being Pattaya is attracting, almost safe enough to have our monthy

church meetings there...

What's church?

[yogi100]

8 hours ago, NightRider70 said:

Both victims might have been alive if US immigration done a proper job.

How could US imigration have stopped either murder.

 

He was already in the US when he did his first one as he is apparently a US citizen and this one took place in the Land of Smiles. US immigration can't tell someone they can't go on holiday. Immigration deals with people arriving in a country not those already there or those leaving it for a 'vacation' as they call it in the Land of the Free.

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

What's church?

I have no doubt, something you need very badly!

[bkkrooftop]

While its not right. If you are dumb enough to be a bully, its only a matter of time til some nutter puts it to an end that loves to fight..Sadly this guy learned a little too late. 

[Road Warrior]

it appears this animal  ! is a potential  killer so lock him up for 10/15 year's 

 

[norrska]

10 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

You are NOT allowed to say that, you will upset some posters on here that think the place is the best thing sliced bread, fortunately I live out on the Darkside at the top of the hill, it's nice and quiet here, and when it rains all the trash gets washed down to mix with the human trash, which is a bit ironic really. 

The darkside?????Isn't that for people ex-communicated from Pattaya proper?

[norrska]

10 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

As of the end of 2015, Canadian Immigration has access to NCIC database.  The US has access to the CPIC operated by the RCMP -- so criminal records within continental North America are integrated for border services.

Get with the times dude.  That is a regional example.  Globally APIS is where it's at.  Google it as I cant be bothered to explain.

[norrska]

7 hours ago, Thomasbangkok said:

Simply not hearsay.  Ask the Bar Manager.  I stayed at that Bar during the entire period and had a room upstairs.  So I saw him, listened to him and the details I state are first hand with the exception of the incident where he was hit as I did not personally see that.  Get your details correct.  First person , means direct, so I hope you understand now.

Again this is hearsay and rumor. Need objective verifiable evidence by an independent 3rd party, not someone who sleeps above a bar(ie you), or a bar manager?  Although interesting, I am not buying your story without the requested evidence.

[bkkcanuck8]

12 minutes ago, norrska said:

Get with the times dude.  That is a regional example.  Globally APIS is where it's at.  Google it as I cant be bothered to explain.

Googling APIs does not do much - since APIs are such a widely used term for Application Programming Interface (basically the public interface into any server).

[norrska]

2 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Googling APIs does not do much - since APIs are such a widely used term for Application Programming Interface (basically the public interface into any server).

The devil is in the detail bud and that last "s" being non-capitalized makes all the diff.  Lemme help you out with google,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Passenger_Information_System

[domdom]

Exactly.... You cannot compare action of journalists in a war field and people in a bar.. BUT I agree with you that apart what is legal or not, ethics and morality should be respected,, This is not the case, taking snaps and laughing  at somebody being beaten to death, doing nothing to try to stop you own friend..

Let me remind you that at least in Europe and in a lot of countries you can take snaps in public areas BUT particularly in France, if in a public area you take a snap of only one person, having his face well able to be recognised it is not allowed without the person permission..

In this case there is no ethics neither respect, taking snaps of a person in a humiliating position like this..

No mercy, no compassion, no help.. For me his friends are guilty of not giving assistance to someone in a dangerous position,, At least in France they could and would be sued

Have a nice day

 

[bkkcanuck8]

15 minutes ago, norrska said:

The devil is in the detail bud and that last "s" being non-capitalized makes all the diff.  Lemme help you out with google,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Passenger_Information_System

This is completely unrelated to the post that you are responding to.  All this system does is send a complete passenger list in advance of the passenger arriving at immigration.  This data is then checked against INTERNAL intelligence and criminal files and then a response send back.  This does not give any access to the other countries system for looking up criminal arrests/convictions or wants/warrants.  It is pretty well useless for anyone they don't already have information on.

[norrska]

3 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

This is completely unrelated to the post that you are responding to.  All this system does is send a complete passenger list in advance of the passenger arriving at immigration.  This data is then checked against INTERNAL intelligence and criminal files and then a response send back.  This does not give any access to the other countries system for looking up criminal arrests/convictions or wants/warrants.  It is pretty well useless for anyone they don't already have information on.

you obviously don't know how it works, and since you didn't know it even existed outside your own sphere of knowledge until minutes ago, I will give you a pass on this one.  Everyday is a learning day, so enjoy!

[bkkcanuck8]

3 minutes ago, norrska said:

you obviously don't know how it works, and since you didn't know it even existed outside your own sphere of knowledge until minutes ago, I will give you a pass on this one.  Everyday is a learning day, so enjoy!

The airline is required to submit a passenger list which includes name, personal information details etc. passport documents and first address of stay to the arrival countries immigration system.  Immigration in the arriving country will be able to (in advance of the planes arrival and in the USs case where it is required in advance of takeoff) be able to reject passengers entry into the US and thus not allowed to board.  The Airline does not have access to the criminal record system of the country of the national boarding the plane.  So yes, I fail to see how that information is relevant to the post you are responding to.

[HLover]

So much anger, so little substance..

[Rimmer]

An off topic post trying to hijack the topic has been removed.

 

Topic is not about war journalists and pullitzer prize photographers

[Grumpy Duck]

9 hours ago, sambum said:

Not a lot of time for what he did!

There are always extenuating circumstances when sentanced. Perhaps the first person he killed was an evil person.  

[Jerry780]

15 hours ago, Donotdisturb said:

in LOS since 1997. been in pats twice (for meeting). hated its sleazy nature. never been in soi 6 because i'm not desperate and because i'm not attracted to hookers nor feel home around the type of males they attract.

You seem like a barrel of laughs. Stay in the boonies nobody will disturb you.

[Jerry780]

18 hours ago, SupermarineS6B said:

I've been to Pattaya once in nearly thirty years, what does that tell you ?  Can't stand the place or the low life it attracts........ Thais and westerners......

It actually changes on a weekly basis, granted there are low lifes but that covers most places but as someone who has lived and socialised and brought uup a family in Pattaya for 20 years I haven't seen a serious altercation either.

[Happyman58]

On 2/13/2018 at 10:06 AM, colinneil said:

Polanco said it was self defence, yet he has killed before.

Sounds like a total nutter who should be locked up for life.

Col old buddy help me on this one. In Aus If you are convicted of a serious crime and sent to jail you can never get a passport to travel overseas. You are more or less branded for life. Is that law the same for America and if so how did this lying scumbag get into Thailand? Manslaughter the charge should be bloody murder He stomped the poor guy to death He knew what he was doing. The guy was out cold He did it to kill him That is bloody murder in my books not Manslaughter

[jenny2017]

4 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

Col old buddy help me on this one. In Aus If you are convicted of a serious crime and sent to jail you can never get a passport to travel overseas. You are more or less branded for life. Is that law the same for America and if so how did this lying scumbag get into Thailand? Manslaughter the charge should be bloody murder He stomped the poor guy to death He knew what he was doing. The guy was out cold He did it to kill him That is bloody murder in my books not Manslaughter

I fully agree with you on that one. 

[bkkcanuck8]

11 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

Col old buddy help me on this one. In Aus If you are convicted of a serious crime and sent to jail you can never get a passport to travel overseas. You are more or less branded for life. Is that law the same for America and if so how did this lying scumbag get into Thailand? Manslaughter the charge should be bloody murder He stomped the poor guy to death He knew what he was doing. The guy was out cold He did it to kill him That is bloody murder in my books not Manslaughter

Unless you can provide references to prove that a criminal record prevents you from getting an Australian Passport - I call BS.  I looked at the Australian website and I can find NO requirements or checks of criminal history.  There are requirements if you are facing charges, there are requirements / restrictions on mobility if you are on parol, but not if you have spent the entire time required for the conviction.  Obviously if you are an alien you will not be able to get citizenship with a substantial criminal record and thus not be able to get a passport.  I think you are misrepresenting Australian law (I have seen several occasions where people have done that - they take something out of context).

[BwindiBoy]

How <deleted> up is America though?  Two years for Murder, versus 20 year sentences for doing drugs.  Crazy.

[bkkcanuck8]

43 minutes ago, BwindiBoy said:

How <deleted> up is America though?  Two years for Murder, versus 20 year sentences for doing drugs.  Crazy.

Wasn't it a combination of mitigating circumstances and juvenile?  (have not bothered to read).  

 

Juveniles tend to get much less as a punishment because the focus is more on reform.  I had a 'friend' (friends in grade 3, but not later), that was convicted of attempted murder and got 3 years (planned to get rid of witness) because he was convicted as a juvenile...  (Canada)... After which he would have a sealed record.

[Donotdisturb]

2 hours ago, Jerry780 said:

It actually changes on a weekly basis, granted there are low lifes but that covers most places but as someone who has lived and socialised and brought uup a family in Pattaya for 20 years I haven't seen a serious altercation either.

Never seen a sleazy hooker either i reckon ???

[Donotdisturb]

2 hours ago, Jerry780 said:

You seem like a barrel of laughs. Stay in the boonies nobody will disturb you.

That is indeed my plan. Enjoy your open air brothel my friend... 

[shan777]

If i saw a guy pick a waitress up by the neck until her feet were off the ground. I would try and stop the <deleted> too, I wasn't there so don't know like every one all the facts , this guy did a bit of over kill in stopping this now dead bully , don't agree with that , but I was not there .....

[Jimdandy]

On 2/12/2018 at 7:08 PM, ezzra said:

One man is a convicted murder, the deceased is a known trouble maker and a bully, what a fine

specimen of human being Pattaya is attracting, almost safe enough to have our monthy

church meetings there...

And while you're at it don't forget to throw in Christenings and Baptisms, such a fine town it is. 

[Mattd]

6 hours ago, norrska said:

you obviously don't know how it works, and since you didn't know it even existed outside your own sphere of knowledge until minutes ago, I will give you a pass on this one.  Everyday is a learning day, so enjoy!

It is going off topic, but APIS would NOT have stopped this guy from flying from the US nor would it have stopped him from entering Thailand.

The airline would have sent certain passenger information to the Thai Immigration, who would have ran checks to ensure that he was not banned or blacklisted from entering Thailand, this is automated and would only have checked the Thai databases, it does not and cannot do any type of 'worldwide' background criminal checks.

The same would be in reverse for a Thai ex. convict visiting USA, contrary to popular belief, there simply isn't this huge database of criminal records for every country in the world, the only 2 countries that currently share this information at border controls are the US and Canada, the only time this would come out for a person traveling without a visa is if the receiving country suspected that there was something not right and requested the data through the correct diplomatic channels.

Thailand only require criminal record checks for the O-A visa.

Edited February 14, 2018 by Mattd

[talahtnut]

16 hours ago, Jimdandy said:

And while you're at it don't forget to throw in Christenings and Baptisms, such a fine town it is. 

Quite right, no-one here would know the difference between 'celibate' and 'celebrate'.

Edited February 14, 2018 by talahtnut