May says she wants a Brexit that works for UK and EU firms

[rooster59]

May says she wants a Brexit that works for UK and EU firms

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May during a news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin, Germany, February 16, 2018. REUTERS/Hannibal Hanschke

 

BERLIN (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Friday she wanted a Brexit deal that was good for companies in Britain and the rest of the European Union.

 

"I want to ensure that UK companies have the maximum freedom to trade and operate within German markets, and for German businesses to do the same in the UK," May said after meeting German leader Angela Merkel in Berlin.

 

Britain is hoping to negotiate a Brexit trade deal with the EU that maintains high levels of access to the bloc's single market. The EU says Britain will lose access if it sticks to its plan to end the free movement of workers from the bloc and no longer follow judgments of the European Court of Justice.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-02-17

[Samui Bodoh]

4 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

"I want to ensure that UK companies have the maximum freedom to trade and operate within German markets, and for German businesses to do the same in the UK," May said after meeting German leader Angela Merkel in Berlin.

 

Er... Ahem... Oh...

 

Isn't that what you had before Brexit?

 

And if so, what exactly is the point of all this?

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

Er... Ahem... Oh...

 

Isn't that what you had before Brexit?

 

And if so, what exactly is the point of all this?

Sounds a bit like UK is heading towards Norway model. UK will have all the responsibilities of EU, including freedom of movement. 

 

As an outside member, UK will not have power to vote on EU decisions. 

 

If this really happens, EU should give a shiny EU service medal for both Farage and Johnson :D 

Edited February 16, 2018 by Guest

[Phuket Man]

May wants whatever Boris and co. tell her she wants.

Useless puppet.

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, Samui Bodoh said:

1 hour ago, rooster59 said:

"I want to ensure that UK companies have the maximum freedom to trade and operate within German markets, and for German businesses to do the same in the UK," May said after meeting German leader Angela Merkel in Berlin.

 

Er... Ahem... Oh...

 

Isn't that what you had before Brexit?

 

And if so, what exactly is the point of all this?

 

To say nice, uncontroversial things in the presence of her German hosts, whilst getting on with the business of extricating the UK from the abomination that is the EU. Isn't it obvious?

[Grouse]

6 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

To say nice, uncontroversial things in the presence of her German hosts, whilst getting on with the business of extricating the UK from the abomination that is the EU. Isn't it obvious?

What's obvious is that she really wants the status quo while keeping the abomination that is the Brexiteers happy. ?

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

"I want to ensure that UK companies have the maximum freedom to trade and operate within German markets, and for German businesses to do the same in the UK," May said after meeting German leader Angela Merkel in Berlin.

You already had that before brexit. 

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

What's obvious is that she really wants the status quo while keeping the abomination that is the Brexiteers happy. ?

Really what is happening is that the EU is having to stand watching while the UK government negotiates with itself.

[mfd101]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

What's obvious is that she really wants the status quo while keeping the abomination that is the Brexiteers happy. ?

Yes, we want to change everything but we want everything left unchanged.

 

Or, to get down to the nittygritty: We want the symbolism to change so that everyone will be happy and we want the matters of substance not to change so that everyone will be happy.

 

If you're a politician, that all sounds quite reasonable.

 

[bert bloggs]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

You already had that before brexit. 

We just followed all the E.U rules while the rest just did what they pleased , i have nothing at all against European people , even lived with one of them for a lot of years ,but i hate Brussels and all it stands for ,

[Bluespunk]

18 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

We just followed all the E.U rules while the rest just did what they pleased , i have nothing at all against European people , even lived with one of them for a lot of years ,but i hate Brussels and all it stands for ,

I’d never have guessed. 

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

I’d never have guessed. 

And i would never have guessed at your reply , i take it you love Brussels .

[NeoDinosaw]

5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

"I want to ensure that UK companies have the maximum freedom to trade and operate within German markets, and for German businesses to do the same in the UK," 

 

She has repeated this sound bite so many times now. Perhaps it is time to tell the British people HOW she plans to achieve this !

[Bluespunk]

17 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

And i would never have guessed at your reply , i take it you love Brussels .

I’m sanguine about the whole thing. 

 

In general I'm in favour. 

 

Though to say I love or hate it would be to reach a level of irrationality I don’t strive for. 

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

Er... Ahem... Oh...

 

Isn't that what you had before Brexit?

 

And if so, what exactly is the point of all this?

 

The whole point was a futile attempt by Cameron to neuter the anti EU faction in the Tory party, stop defections to UKIP and spike UKIP growth in support. 

He gambled and lost and didn't have the forethought to ensure the referendum, which legally was only "advisory", had sufficient rules about required voter % and winning margins.

 

May was a Remainer, and has been found to be well out of her depth as she's tried to make the best of a bad job.

 

The result is likely to please no body as we seem to be heading towards a watered down hybrid where we have no vote or power, but have to accept EU legal rulings over UK law and still allow free movement of EU nationals. That means any changes the UK makes, say on tax reforms, corporation tax etc, could be challenged in the European courts and overruled.

 

Not having your cake and eating it - more like paying your share but not getting one of the slices!

 

Sheer brilliance from the Tories whose Brexit supporters are still pushing for a complete total break regardless of any consequences!

 

When this all happens, the fall out will likely bring Comrade Corbyn and his equally loony 70's minded socialists into government. Then you'll see the UK rapidly deteriorate to the socialist utopia that we see in Venezuela !!

[sammieuk1]

Nothing to worry about if your a millionaire .

[sawadee1947]

Haha, no problem if UK would accept EU laws..... But as long they are follow little scumbag Boris..... 

[dunroaming]

6 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

We just followed all the E.U rules while the rest just did what they pleased , i have nothing at all against European people , even lived with one of them for a lot of years ,but i hate Brussels and all it stands for ,

You mean like not taking the Euro when all the others did?  Maybe you do hate Brussels don't let that blind you to the reality.

[dunroaming]

As always it is May saying what she "wants" but no hint at an offer or how to get it.  She isn't going to be able to achieve much with all the discord in the UK and idiots like Johnson and Rees-Mogg just add to the problems.

[Sir Dude]

There a quite a few comments on here that explain why things like Brexit happened or Trump got elected etc. It has now become difficult to speak your mind on many topics, as when you do, you are instantly pilloried as a racist/bigot/right wing nutjob etc. etc. by the agenda driven liberals that will not tolerate anything other than their own dogmatic mantra. Guess what, when it comes to elections or a referendum, and people are allowed to speak their minds by placing a democratic vote in a box stood behind a curtain on their own...they often think "screw the lot of you" and put it in the politically incorrect section as a middle finger up to the thought police and life/opinion fascists. That is basically why these things happen like Brexit/Trump/Boris is popular or the SNP not getting their way etc., despite the population being trolled to extremes by the liberal mainstream media et al to pander to this social engineering that now prevails everywhere. 

Edited February 17, 2018 by Sir Dude
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[jakestevernson]

The vote has happened so it must go through. Otherwise what is the point of democracy

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[dunroaming]

2 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

There a quite a few comments on here that explain why things like Brexit happened or Trump got elected etc. It has now become difficult to speak your mind on many topics, as when you do, you are instantly pilloried as a racist/bigot/right wing nutjob etc. etc. by the agenda driven liberals that will not tolerate anything other than their own dogmatic mantra. Guess what, when it comes to elections or a referendum, and people are allowed to speak their minds by placing a democratic vote in a box stood behind a curtain on their own...they often think "screw the lot of you" and put it in the politically incorrect section as a middle finger up to the thought police and life/opinion fascists. That is basically why these things like Brexit/Trump/Boris is popular or the SNP not getting their way etc. despite the population being trolled to extremes by the liberal mainstream media et al to pander to this social engineering that now prevails everywhere. 

Fabulous post!   You start by complaining about what you (mistakenly) believe are "agenda driven Liberals" referring to Brexiteers as racist/bigot/right wing nut jobs.  You just have to put people into boxes when in fact Remoaners and Brexiteers are both made up of all sides of society,  left, right or just in the middle.  

 

If you find it difficult to speak your mind (which I doubt from your rant) why are you doing so now?  These forums are for people to give their opinions and state their positions and arguments.  It is debate and that is healthy.

 

I would suggest that if you are offended by the vast majority of the media backing the other side that you stick to just reading the papers that don't.  I believe the Sun () and Fox News are more sympathetic to your views. And you have every right to your views just like the rest of us have to ours.

 

Brexit has been triggered and it is now up to the government to see it through.  It seems that most Remoaners and a large proportion of Brexiteers feel they are being let down.  That is not left wing liberalism, that is just a fact.

[Sir Dude]

Was expecting some flak for that one.

Edited February 17, 2018 by Sir Dude

[Khun Han]

4 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Was expecting some flak for that one.

 

And right in the mode of what you described in the post.

[dunroaming]

20 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Was expecting some flak for that one.

Yes the cut and thrust of healthy debate eh!   Your turn to counter, or was that it? 

[Sir Dude]

3 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Yes the cut and thrust of healthy debate eh!   Your turn to counter, or was that it? 

We should just agree to disagree or we'll both be censored on this platform.

[dunroaming]

28 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

We should just agree to disagree or we'll both be censored on this platform.

Fair enough, have a good day 

[bert bloggs]

23 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I’m sanguine about the whole thing. 

 

In general I'm in favour. 

 

Though to say I love or hate it would be to reach a level of irrationality I don’t strive for. 

Maybe that's the difference between us ,i care enough to strive for something ,

[Bluespunk]

11 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Maybe that's the difference between us ,i care enough to strive for something ,

Striving for irrationality is not a good thing. 

[rickudon]

Boris does get around. He has just been to Ghana where he was trying to boost investment opportunities and trade. Pity they haven't bothered for the last 50 years, only wanted the raw materials (cocoa, gold and nurses....).

 

Some of Boris's officials then tried to explain the benefits of Brexit to Ghanaian ministers and civil servants. It just left them even more baffled as to why the UK would commit such insanity. After the meeting, they told my son (who knows them), 'We know that many British people aren't stupid, and feel sorry for them, because it looks like a massive mistake'.

 

Unfortunately most of the development done in the last 20 years has been done by China, India, Korea, Brazil or continental European countries. When we left the old colonies, we left them to sink or swim. Mainly for the past 50 years, a lot of sinking. 

 

Now, suddenly, we want to be their friends. Naturally this is being met with a lot of skepticism. Sounds more like desperation by the UK government, hoping for some miraculous revival of our economic fortunes after Brexit.

 

We are no longer a major manufacturing economy. Biscuits and scotch whiskey are just peanuts. 80% of our GDP comes from services - that is where the money is, currently. And if we leave the EU, a vast chunk of that EU related business will be at risk - many continental companies would be ecstatic to have our slice of it.

 

And we still have no idea what any deal with the EU will look like. The Irish border is still an issue which has not been resolved, for starters.

 

In 12 months we will be staring into the abyss of Brexit - and have no idea what options will be available to us.

 

I'm sure Brexiteers will say i am an alarmist - but no-one on that side can say how Brexit will work - it is all down to optimism and their own self belief. A typical analysis shows a hard Brexit would cause a 2 year recession and an 18% loss of GDP by 2030. For individuals, this would mean an average salary similar to that in Spain. Great for Industry, but i think very few workers will be buying houses anymore......