The dark, violent side of Pattaya ‘the sex capital of the world’

[rooster59]

The dark, violent side of Pattaya ‘the sex capital of the world’

Andrew Koubaridis

 

 

EVEN by Pattaya’s violent standards the death of Melbourne man Benjamin Robb was shockingly brutal.

 

The 42-year-old had been in the resort city south of Bangkok for only 12 hours. He made his way to Ruby Lounge, a notorious spot that promises “to heat things up and bring a flirty mood to your night out”.

 

Since news first broke an Australian had been killed, witnesses claimed to have seen an appalling level of brutality. Repeated punches, kicks, Mr Robb thrown across the room and, finally, his head and face stomped on as friends of the attacker cheered.

 

One final insult was these friends then took photographs of Mr Robb as he lay dying from a brain bleed.

 

Full story: http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/the-dark-violent-side-of-pattaya-the-sex-capital-of-the-world/news-story/d26d135024b8f81c02cf12b513c5e53a

 

News.com.au: 2018-02-17

 

 

[Get Real]

5 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

EVEN by Pattaya’s violent standards the death of Melbourne man Benjamin Robb was shockingly brutal.

Nope! It´s just seems to be more common. Probably only seen the beginning yet, unless the new foreign database can help with removal of the criminal and mindless infestation.

Here we are describing "database" as an incredible "antidote".

[seeyoujimmy]

for the first time in 7 years I am going back to Scotland and there is no way I would walk about late at night in Glasgow, I have never felt unsafe in Pattaya, they make it sound like there is no trouble anywhere in the world but Pattaya, they just have to go to any major city or town in the west after the pubs close, and look what has just happened in America the other day again, it is sad that someone has lost his life, but I do not think many people think Pattaya is more dangerous than back home.   

[Samui Bodoh]

 

"...CCTV apparently captured the entire incident and is being examined by police. Cameras close to the bar were supposedly switched off.

The closed doors nature of this area of Pattaya is evident of a culture that those who work and play there — and those in government — do not want publicity on..."

Of course the cameras were "switched off". It wouldn't be good for tourism if there was footage of the incident to blare across TV screens around the world.

If you aren't sure about where you are, don't be there!

[bert bloggs]

I have lived here for 12 years ,lived in BKK and had business there also visited Pattaya for many years before , In all my time i have seen two violent episodes ,one was two Thai guys beating up a third Thai guy ,in Sri Racha ,and a guy throwing punches at a stupid European who poured water over him at Songkran while he was wearing a suite and had told the guy not to throw water , i feel far safer here than in my old home town in the UK , which over the years has become a sh-thole where most of the people now seem to be immigrants and believe me ,very violent .

[Emster23]

Put a few signs up in sex capital of the world: Make love, not war. That ought to set things right

A psycho American killing an Aussie with a quickness... hmm main blame on Thais to me would be government for letting the yank in, as he had already killed someone before. And perhaps (for once) not having bouncers on hand to step in and stop it. General sloppiness endemic across all domains

[dazler]

There have been a lot of people on this forum declaring all sorts of claims. But it is purely just in their imagination. They dont know.

 

fact 1. the attacker is NOT in police custody. he was walking around Jomtien Beach with his girlfriend yesterday. That is a fact, some will claim "impossible'. But it is a fact.

i am not here to argue, if anyone has proof that he is in custody, then prove it, otherwise just stick to the facts please.

 

fact 2 the attacker was visiting the bar with his girlfriend who does not currently work there, and may never have. I dont know. however they are friends with people in the bar.

 

fact 3 the workers in the bar are going to stick with his version of events. They are on his side. They all didn't see a thing. Various excuses "i was in the toilet" "i was buying food" "i was too drunk, cant remember". Nobody from the bar will make a statement against the attacker.

 

fact 4 Robb, the victim, was being rough with the girl, but it was consensual. She has a heavily tattooed face. and in fact he was more on the receiving side, rather than giving. 

 

fact 5 The police are not releasing the CCTV footage to anyone, the press, the family etc

 

My opinion. The attacker previously knew the girl, didnt like what he was seeing, and approached Robb to stop. Robb was rude to him, Jose "lost it" and attacked him.

I have been told by an eyewitness that Robb was stomped on when already down. I have no reason not to believe this eye witness. But the 15 times everyone is claiming as fact, may not be true because at the time nobody was counting.

In my OPINION it was not self defense, as Rob had already stopped what he was doing before he was attacked. 

And since he is already out free, and the Thai press have reported it as "self defense" and painted him as a hero for saving a Thai woman, that he wont spend any further time in custody.

 

I have read the hundreds of opinions on the other threads. That is all they are. Opinions. The above are the facts.

He is out and about in Pattaya, so be careful everybody. He has form.

[dazler]

Below is a photo of the attacker taken by a Thai friend who recognized him yesterday in Jomtien. She told me he had been into immigration and was only accompanied by his girlfriend. He freely walked down to the beach and had lunch.

The court did not officially bail him. But maybe it was arranged another way.

He has started to grow a goatie beard. maybe he wants to change his appearance.

[dazler]

On other threads many were wondering if he was just a tourist, or more of a regular expat type.

Below is a photo of him with his Thai girlfriend, the same girlfriend he was in the bar with when he killed Robb.

His t shirt is interesting to read.

[JSixpack]

I don't think Ruby was a "notorious" spot. Guess it is now though.

[nausea]

Well, I'll cross the Ruby Lounge off my visit list. I can get all the ultra violence I want in the UK, no need to travel half-way round the world for it. Bl**dy idiots, girls with their tongues hanging out, and they go for this violence sh*t.

[Chivas]

This fella seriously cant have been released surely !!

[topt]

Perhaps @dazler could shed some light for the rest of us as to how he knows all the above as "facts".........

[gusincebu]

This fella seriously cant have been released surely !!

I wouldn't think so ..how can they do the reenactment without him ?



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[darrendsd]

1 hour ago, dazler said:

There have been a lot of people on this forum declaring all sorts of claims. But it is purely just in their imagination. They dont know.

 

fact 1. the attacker is NOT in police custody. he was walking around Jomtien Beach with his girlfriend yesterday. That is a fact, some will claim "impossible'. But it is a fact.

i am not here to argue, if anyone has proof that he is in custody, then prove it, otherwise just stick to the facts please.

 

fact 2 the attacker was visiting the bar with his girlfriend who does not currently work there, and may never have. I dont know. however they are friends with people in the bar.

 

fact 3 the workers in the bar are going to stick with his version of events. They are on his side. They all didn't see a thing. Various excuses "i was in the toilet" "i was buying food" "i was too drunk, cant remember". Nobody from the bar will make a statement against the attacker.

 

fact 4 Robb, the victim, was being rough with the girl, but it was consensual. She has a heavily tattooed face. and in fact he was more on the receiving side, rather than giving. 

 

fact 5 The police are not releasing the CCTV footage to anyone, the press, the family etc

 

My opinion. The attacker previously knew the girl, didnt like what he was seeing, and approached Robb to stop. Robb was rude to him, Jose "lost it" and attacked him.

I have been told by an eyewitness that Robb was stomped on when already down. I have no reason not to believe this eye witness. But the 15 times everyone is claiming as fact, may not be true because at the time nobody was counting.

In my OPINION it was not self defense, as Rob had already stopped what he was doing before he was attacked. 

And since he is already out free, and the Thai press have reported it as "self defense" and painted him as a hero for saving a Thai woman, that he wont spend any further time in custody.

 

I have read the hundreds of opinions on the other threads. That is all they are. Opinions. The above are the facts.

He is out and about in Pattaya, so be careful everybody. He has form.

Were you in the bar when the incident happened? I'm guessing not as you have been told by a eyewitness what happened

 

So everything you have said apart from him being released is what you have been told, being told something does not mean it is a fact, especially if it comes from bar girls

 

Unless you were actually there you know about as much as everyone else

Edited February 17, 2018 by darrendsd

[nev]

2 hours ago, dazler said:

Below is a photo of the attacker taken by a Thai friend who recognized him yesterday in Jomtien. She told me he had been into immigration and was only accompanied by his girlfriend. He freely walked down to the beach and had lunch.

The court did not officially bail him. But maybe it was arranged another way.

He has started to grow a goatie beard. maybe he wants to change his appearance.

Does not look like the killer, maybe someone who looks like him, Hard to believe the police would let him out.

[Thaifly88]

3 hours ago, dazler said:

Below is a photo of the attacker taken by a Thai friend who recognized him yesterday in Jomtien. She told me he had been into immigration and was only accompanied by his girlfriend. He freely walked down to the beach and had lunch.

The court did not officially bail him. But maybe it was arranged another way.

He has started to grow a goatie beard. maybe he wants to change his appearance.

I also saw him yesterday at Jomtien Immigration, did a double take as I couldn't believe my eyes, seeing him out and about. He looked relaxed and happy. Twin brother ? 

[dazler]

1 hour ago, topt said:

Perhaps @dazler could shed some light for the rest of us as to how he knows all the above as "facts".........

Fact 1 Many witnesses. Photographic evidence. More than i posted. And the girl who gave me the photo saw a farang go up and ask if it was him and he confirmed it was.

 

Fact 2 Someone who knows him told me. And confirmed by another source that i dont wish to reveal.

 

Fact 3 I and several others have been to the bar since, acting as customers, and asked them. if you dont believe go and ask for yourself.

 

fact 4 A video was taken of their teasing each other. i have watched it. It looked a bit off, but you can see it is no way against her will. she could have walked away anytime, but didnt.

 

fact 5 Inside knowledge and i think the police have officially said that as well.

 

[IAMHERE]

Just now, topt said:

Perhaps @dazler could shed some light for the rest of us as to how he knows all the above as "facts".........

Especially Fact NBR 4

I have a hard time believing a 6 foot two hundred pound man was getting the worst of a jovial choking interchange with some 5 foot bargirl. Make the other 'facts' specious.

 

Whether or not the police have released him is not part of what happened in Ruby Bar between the two drunk sociopaths.

Edited February 17, 2018 by IAMHERE
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[dazler]

13 minutes ago, Thaifly88 said:

I also saw him yesterday at Jomtien Immigration, did a double take as I couldn't believe my eyes, seeing him out and about. He looked relaxed and happy. Twin brother ? 

Thanks for backing me.

heaps of people saw him and he was as you described.

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, seeyoujimmy said:

for the first time in 7 years I am going back to Scotland and there is no way I would walk about late at night in Glasgow, I have never felt unsafe in Pattaya, they make it sound like there is no trouble anywhere in the world but Pattaya, they just have to go to any major city or town in the west after the pubs close, and look what has just happened in America the other day again, it is sad that someone has lost his life, but I do not think many people think Pattaya is more dangerous than back home.   

Great post SeeyouJimmy, I could not agree more, I ran up Victoria Road to escape after four Eastern Europeans  came towards me menacingly shouting at me in anger, and all I was doing was walking up the road, and that was only about 11pm.

[dazler]

1 hour ago, darrendsd said:

Were you in the bar when the incident happened? I'm guessing not as you have been told by a eyewitness what happened

 

So everything you have said apart from him being released is what you have been told, being told something does not mean it is a fact, especially if it comes from bar girls

 

Unless you were actually there you know about as much as everyone else

If you refer to another of my replies you will see.

But thanks for your non contribution.

[dazler]

1 hour ago, nev said:

Does not look like the killer, maybe someone who looks like him, Hard to believe the police would let him out.

thanks for your two opinions. 

it is him. and he is not in police custody.

[dazler]

2 hours ago, gusincebu said:

 

I wouldn't think so ..how can they do the reenactment without him ?



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what i am about to write is opinion only. Not fact.

 

I assume from his relaxed nature yesterday this might be because the result is already been decided.

He will do the reenactment showing his side of events.

OR

He will do a runner, which will save face for more important people, as there will be no need to do a re enactment in Soi 6 in front of the pesky foreign press who ase not scared to ask too many questions. You know, the same press that exposed this area last year which led to the crackdown as described in the full article in the link in the story above. Nothing to see in Soi 6.

[darrendsd]

19 minutes ago, dazler said:

If you refer to another of my replies you will see.

But thanks for your non contribution.

You're talking rubbish i'm afraid

 

You have been told off a few bar girls what happened and are presenting it as facts trying to make yourself look important 

 

I would stop posting if I were you, you are making yourself look stupid

[Lupatria]

At least the cops cleaned the street and gave goodies to the hookers, nothing to complain about a first class family resort.

[champers]

dazler, You have appeared, as if from nowhere, to give your account of the incident and it's fallout. Have you strong connections to the police? Why post on an internet forum instead of taking it to the press (Aussie press particularly)?

Knowing what you say you know, do you think it is right that the American is a free man?

[dazler]

7 minutes ago, darrendsd said:

You're talking rubbish i'm afraid

 

You have been told off a few bar girls what happened and are presenting it as facts trying to make yourself look important 

 

I would stop posting if I were you, you are making yourself look stupid

Nah, that was fact 3 only. And as i said only part of it. And also part of what i said under the facts that i didnt claim as fact.

I not going to bother with you anymore, you are the one with no idea. 

 

Can you tell me how you know i am wrong? You cant. Because i am not. 

 

Read Thaifly"s post. he knows what he saw. And hundreds of others.

 

And i am important, no need to act important.

[Pattaya46]

46 minutes ago, dazler said:

fact 4 A video was taken of their teasing each other. i have watched it. It looked a bit off, but you can see it is no way against her will. she could have walked away anytime, but didn't.

 

Ruby Club said that they gave the unique copy to the police and that the original was kept in a safety place.  So how did you managed to see that video ? 

[dazler]

2 minutes ago, champers said:

dazler, You have appeared, as if from nowhere, to give your account of the incident and it's fallout. Have you strong connections to the police? Why post on an internet forum instead of taking it to the press (Aussie press particularly)?

Knowing what you say you know, do you think it is right that the American is a free man?

Just because i have never bothered posting on this forum doesn't mean i was born yesterday. I know probably 100plus farangs here. none of them post here. Most dont read it.

Everything i know has been passed on to the Aussie and American press. That is how i originally knew the police will not be releasing the CCTV footage.

 

No i dont think he should be a free man. I do slightly sympathise with his intentions, but he read the situation wrongly, and totally overacted. IMO