Survey reveals little faith in Thai justice system

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Isn't that the feature of giving empowered voters to vent their anger through the ballot boxes when elected government failed them. You are a pessimist or maybe you have soft spot for military junta.

 

Well, we all know who you have a soft spot for - the one whose parties have been in power for a big chunk of this century and done bugger all to reform anything!

 

No, voting can't work to reform the justice system if the choices you have won't make any reforms. And none of them want to apart from making themselves more untouchable and less accountable.

 

Open your eyes Eric. Those who fight for control of the trough aren't interested in anybody but themselves. 

[GarryP]

4 hours ago, irwinfc said:

they may escape punishment, but they know as much as anyone that karma is a huge B1*@h! they'll get what they deserve sooner or later,  in this life or the next. 

You can be sure that the majority go through life without suffering anything. And they don't need to worry about anything once they're dead.  Next life? What next life? 

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

I think one of the big problems is that Mr P still relies on powerful allies to keep his position. And he dare not upset them, otherwise he could, perhaps, reform Government corruption and a myriad of other problems. 

 

What good has the little "orangutan looking creature" done for the good of the country? NOTHING!!

Spot on and he will try to hold on to this status quo so he and his allies can continue to steal from the country and there is nothing the people can do to oust him. The bane of military coup and power intoxicated generals.

 

Orangutan is better looking than him and they only need bananas not watches. 

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

Preferable to a police state nonetheless

 

Apart from the total lack of law and order that creeps in that is. 

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Well, we all know who you have a soft spot for - the one whose parties have been in power for a big chunk of this century and done bugger all to reform anything!

 

No, voting can't work to reform the justice system if the choices you have won't make any reforms. And none of them want to apart from making themselves more untouchable and less accountable.

 

Open your eyes Eric. Those who fight for control of the trough aren't interested in anybody but themselves. 

The parties who been in power for a big chunk of this century is the military. How you missed that? With their absolute power, they can move mountains but why should change the justice system when the pickings are so easy. Thailand did have chances to elect leaders who will meet their aspiration if only the military stop staging coups for themselves. 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

The parties who been in power for a big chunk of this century is the military. How you missed that? With their absolute power, they can move mountains but why should change the justice system when the pickings are so easy. Thailand did have chances to elect leaders who will meet their aspiration if only the military stop staging coups for themselves. 

 

Stop trying to defend your heroes Eric and open your mind. 

 

The Shins were in power for many many years in one guise or another, one stooge or another. They did diddly squat - why, because they are part of the problem. The military carry out their orders and those giving them, like the Shins, are part of the problem. The spoils they fight over are vast and they aren't interested in anything that might dilute those spoils or weaken their grasps on them.

 

Neither side wants a truly independent fair to all justice system were laws are unforced in an unbiased way. It's alien to how most things operate here and none of the political parties, the civil service, the justice system itself or the military have the slightest inclination to change it. Far from it. They want to take advantage of it!

[Baerboxer]

8 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Really, is a military state better? Why is that?

 

The 'average' Thai citizen is still 'preyed' on or alternatively, the elite still get all the privileges and have no accountability. 

 

You replied to me but deleted my post and inserted the comments of another poster. This is against forum rules and has been reported.

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

Preferable to a police state nonetheless

 

Every successful Asian economy was put on the right track by a strong man who controlled access to the money trough so there was enough left over to grow the economy.  S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan.  With the exception of Japan (MacArthur was their strong man), each of them made their own families filthy rich and had cronies they had to satiate, but they made sure there was enough left over to grow the economy.  So when they turned things over (kicking and screaming) to democracy, there was a thriving economy to turn over.

 

Elected officials can't do it.  Not in a country whose elites have a silver or lead incentive program.

 

Edited February 19, 2018 by impulse

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I'm waiting for the police to announce the results of their investigation as follows:

 

The barking deer died of natural causes, and then the black panther committed suicide as a result of the loss of its deer (dear?) friend.

 

Whew, that was a tough one... Back to chasing mushroom pickers.

 

[Ron19]

A post that miss quoted another has been removed.

[lvr181]

6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You replied to me but deleted my post and inserted the comments of another poster. This is against forum rules and has been reported.

I quoted you WRONG! I now think it was yellowboat who made the original quote? 

Report if you will. Or am I wrong again and it was you?

Now I am confused! 

[Jonmarleesco]

I'm surprised the survey produced returns of any faith in the system.

[lincolnshire poacher]

7 hours ago, z42 said:

Who are this 5.7% though? You would have to be exceptionally stupid to argue that the system is fair to all here. There are just far too many cases in the public domain that show otherwise. Frightening

It will be the people  who are immune from prosecution. Of course they have justice

[mtls2005]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Survey reveals little faith in Thai justice system

Well, it's not really a "justice" system. It's a "legal" system.

[yellowboat]

24 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Every successful Asian economy was put on the right track by a strong man who controlled access to the money trough so there was enough left over to grow the economy.  S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan.  With the exception of Japan (MacArthur was their strong man), each of them made their own families filthy rich and had cronies they had to satiate, but they made sure there was enough left over to grow the economy.  So when they turned things over (kicking and screaming) to democracy, there was a thriving economy to turn over.

 

Elected officials can't do it.  Not in a country whose elites have a silver or lead incentive program.

Disagree.  Had the Shinawatras behaved, things might be better today.   The country had hope and excitement when they were in office.  Taiwan's strongman was Jimmy Carter.  He made Chiang Ching-kuo take a hard look at his government and initiated change after he recognized China.  Change which is now an example that Chinese representative government works.  Korea had its crisis in 1997 where they had to liberalize the country to get loans.  For the first time,  foreign companies could buy Korean businesses and land to help offset the financial crisis.  The local strongmen always run amuck and then make a change.   Little p is not smart nor brave enough to make the necessary changes.    If change does come, it will come from some sort of event triggered by poor governance. 

[humbug]

no rule of law and this is what happens to any society

 

Thailand has been under no rule of law longer than most so its more entranched in society. For those that say Thailand is such an individual country are talking nonsense. 

 

Most societies would be like this with no rule of law.

 

Its why most people lie or are so corrupt or do so many illegal things on a daily basis as they know they can get away with it. 

 

All under an ancient claste system brought to this land by the Aryans so they even have a tier system under this no rule of law. 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

51 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Stop trying to defend your heroes Eric and open your mind. 

 

The Shins were in power for many many years in one guise or another, one stooge or another. They did diddly squat - why, because they are part of the problem. The military carry out their orders and those giving them, like the Shins, are part of the problem. The spoils they fight over are vast and they aren't interested in anything that might dilute those spoils or weaken their grasps on them.

 

Neither side wants a truly independent fair to all justice system were laws are unforced in an unbiased way. It's alien to how most things operate here and none of the political parties, the civil service, the justice system itself or the military have the slightest inclination to change it. Far from it. They want to take advantage of it!

I hope your continuous confused state of mind have not clouded your judgment. 

 

How to defend when the Shins were only a fraction of history since 1932. It has been military governments more than any political parties. They did the most harm to any chances of a better elected government. Come on, surely you understand universal suffrage and election rather than military holding on to power and crushing any resistance so they always safeguard their “advantage”.

[dorchester]

In Thailand's halls of justice,sometimes justice can be found in the halls

[Peterphuket]

7 hours ago, z42 said:

Who are this 5.7% though? You would have to be exceptionally stupid to argue that the system is fair to all here. There are just far too many cases in the public domain that show otherwise. Frightening

That's not so difficult to answer, that's just the same 5.7%  who's escape punishment.

[Dogmatix]

Why no mention of the watchman case or was the leopard tail soup case engineered as a distraction from that one?  It is hard to imagine that there were not a lot of people who knew about Premchai's hunting trips.  He didn't even bother to pick up his spent cartridges which would have been quite easy firing only a few shots from a double barrelled shotgun and bolt action rifles and he also had servants with him.  This suggests he was a regular there and was confident everyone was paid off, so it was OK to leave evidence of his shooting.  Two of his guns fire rare cartridges for Thailand, the 20 guage shotgun and the Steyr Mannlicher rifle, which was probably a 30-06.  The other one, a .22 is not rare but the ammo he had for it in the picture, CCI Stingers, is rare and has a case that is easily detectable, as it is .1 inches longer than regular .22lr cases.       

[bheard]

Who are this 5.7% though? You would have to be exceptionally stupid to argue that the system is fair to all here. There are just far too many cases in the public domain that show otherwise. Frightening

Obviously the 5% are from the group that gets off scott free.

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[jak2002003]

8 hours ago, z42 said:

Who are this 5.7% though? You would have to be exceptionally stupid to argue that the system is fair to all here. There are just far too many cases in the public domain that show otherwise. Frightening

They were to high so people and the police.  

[meechai]

Edited February 19, 2018 by meechai

[Sydebolle]

Nothing wrong with the law, yet everything is wrong with interpretation and enforcement. Latter is an absolute joke; Premchai will walk while nobodies in Chiang Mai get locked up and the keys thrown away for mushrooming in the wrong place or the THB 50'000 bail for the couple where the hubby stole coconuts from his employer's coconut farm in Phattalung because his pregnant wife was hungry. The combined salary was quoted with THB 2'000. Question one: how should they cough up the bail and question number two: why was the employer not reprimanded and fined for the fact that he grossly underpaid his staff. 

This all is a big joke; changes must come from within and if Thais think it is OK that they get screwed and fç%"&d by the oligarch feudalistic establishment - so be it! 

[Sonhia]

Comes as no surprise.

[Patje55]

I think it would be easier if he was smoking a cigarette on the beach , that's at least a year in jail 

[Jimdandy]

But wait, wait! There is Justice; 'just us' rich, greedy, bribe paying people who don't give a da*n about anybody else...

[Eric Loh]

View the latest powerful aligned crony Suthep's police station case in today major English newspaper. Reported that it has been 10 years and the NACC say that 80% completed and still need to interview more witnesses. What iota of faith in thai justice system has just flew out the window. Absolutely zero credibility in the justice system and never in the interest of the junta to made any reform. A betrayal to those who supports the junta thinking that corruption will be eradicated. A particular hard core support here still think he is god. He need help. 

[stanleycoin]

Deeply shocked at this.

From Royal Tunbridge wells, uk.

 

[Hupaponics]

Vorayuth “Boss” Yoovidhya, is this baby old enough for a driving license?