Trump - FBI missed signs on Florida shooting due to Russia probe

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Trump - FBI missed signs on Florida shooting due to Russia probe

By Michelle Price

 

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks about the mass shooting at a Florida high school in a national address from the White House in Washington, U.S., February 15, 2018. REUTERS/Leah Millis

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump attacked the FBI and lawmakers probing suspected Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election and said an excessive focus on Russia led federal investigators to miss signs that could have prevented a deadly mass shooting at a Florida high school.

 

In a series of tweets over the weekend sent from his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, Trump said congressional investigations and political "hatred" showed that Russia had succeeded in sowing "discord, disruption and chaos" in the United States.

 

He accused his predecessor, President Barack Obama, of failing to do enough to stop Russian election interference.

 

"They are laughing their asses off in Moscow," Trump tweeted on Sunday morning.

 

On Friday, Special Counsel Robert Mueller charged 13 Russians and three Russian companies with conspiracy to tamper in the 2016 U.S. election.

 

Mueller's indictment said the Russians adopted false online personas to push divisive messages and staged political rallies while posing as Americans.

 

U.S. spy agencies concluded more than a year ago that Russia used hacking and propaganda to try to tilt the election in favour of Trump. Russian President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly denied that.

 

In a tweet on Saturday night, Trump criticized the Federal Bureau of Investigation for missing warning signs in the case of Nikolas Cruz, 19, who is charged with killing 17 people on Wednesday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, a Fort Lauderdale suburb.

 

"Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable," Trump wrote. "They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion," he added.

 

The FBI acknowledged on Friday that it failed to investigate a warning that Cruz possessed a gun and the desire to kill.

 

Trump offered no evidence that there was any connection between the investigation of Russian meddling and the FBI's failure to prevent the Florida shooting.

 

Former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates expressed outrage at Trump's efforts to connect the Florida massacre to the Russia probe.

 

"Our president uses the tragedy to attack the investigation of a foreign adversary's interference in our democracy. Shameful," Yates wrote on Twitter. Yates, who had been a holdover from the Obama administration, was fired early in the Trump presidency for refusing to defend travel restrictions on several Muslim-majority countries.

 

LEAKING 'MONSTER'

 

Trump, in a Sunday morning tweet, belittled Representative Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee that is investigating Russia's actions, labelling him a leaking "monster."

 

In one of 13 tweets Trump sent after Mueller's indictments of the Russians, the president said he "never said Russia did not meddle in the election."

 

Trump has on several occasions, however, questioned whether Russia was behind efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

 

Several lawmakers rejected Trump's linking of the FBI's missteps in preventing the shooting to the Russia probe.

 

"So many folks in the FBI are doing all that they can to keep us safe. The reality of it is, is that they are two separate issues," Republican Senator Tim Scott said on CBS' "Face the Nation" programme.

 

After Mueller's indictment was made public on Friday, Trump said it backed up his assertion that there was no collusion between his campaign and Russia.

 

The indictment did not address whether anyone from the Trump campaign coordinated or worked with Russians. Mueller's broader probe is ongoing.

 

"It wasn't designed to be able to clear everything on the investigation," Republican Senator James Lankford said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

 

"It was designed to say it was very clear these 13 individuals in this set of companies were trying to interfere in our election," said Lankford, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

 

Schiff, speaking on CNN's "State of the Union" programme, said details of the Mueller indictment provided "overwhelming and unequivocal" evidence of the threat from Russian interference. He said the indictments countered Trump's frequent comments that the Russia investigation was a "hoax."

 

"This is a president who claims vindication anytime someone sneezes," Schiff said.

 

(Additional reporting by Jeff Mason in West Palm Beach, Fla., Editing by Caren Bohan and Peter Cooney)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-02-19

[Samui Bodoh]

8 minutes ago, webfact said:

Trump offered no evidence that there was any connection between the investigation of Russian meddling and the FBI's failure to prevent the Florida shooting.

 

And the above is the key element; Trump offers no evidence.

 

Assertion after assertion. Label after label. Slander after slander. Libel after libel. Lie after lie.

 

All based on nothing at all. 

 

THAT is Trumpism.

 

I have said it before and (sadly) need to say it again;

 

Donald Trump is an ever-expanding cloud of toxic waste that defiles everything it touches.

 

God help us all.

 

[FreddieRoyle]

Thank you Donald Trump. Finally the true story gets out. Yes, of course the state agencies have "all hands on deck" been searching 24/7 for the last year for any (nonexistant)sign of Trump having colluded with Russia. This has been the overriding focus of the FBI and others, and has been the biggest waste of federal resources mankind has ever known. So yes, the FBI were not able to prevent this shooter even though the shooter posted on social media in his own name that he would do a school mass shooting, and that the police had been called to his house 39 times did not raise any flags with the politicized state agencies.

Time to wipe the slate clean and start again. I fear there is no way they can regain credibility. 

[Boon Mee]

Tangentially. 

 

The FBI's focus has been off for some time.

Boston Bombers

Pulse Nightclub

Many other examples so the Russia Probe has been a distraction for the FBI 

[lannarebirth]

37 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

And the above is the key element; Trump offers no evidence.

 

Assertion after assertion. Label after label. Slander after slander. Libel after libel. Lie after lie.

 

All based on nothing at all. 

 

THAT is Trumpism.

 

I have said it before and (sadly) need to say it again;

 

Donald Trump is an ever-expanding cloud of toxic waste that defiles everything it touches.

 

God help us all.

 

 

It is getting harder and harder to believe that Trump is not being blackmailed by the Russians

[grumbleweed]

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Trump - FBI missed signs on Florida shooting due to Russia probe

Just when you thought he couldn't get any lower.... a new record for the depths of depravity

Once again going where fake news fear to tread

[Langsuan Man]

44 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Tangentially. 

 

The FBI's focus has been off for some time.

Boston Bombers

Pulse Nightclub

Many other examples so the Russia Probe has been a distraction for the FBI 

35,000 employees in the FBI and they all are working for Mueller, tangentially indeed 

[Credo]

Typical Trump:

 

Parkland students slam Trump for tying shooting to Russia probe: 'He has already made it about himself'

Students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., expressed astonishment that President Trump would use the tragedy they experienced last week to push back on the FBI’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Late Saturday night from his nearby Mar-a-Lago estate, Trump accused the FBI of spending too much time on potential collusion between Moscow and his own presidential campaign. Trump suggested that if the bureau hadn’t been so focused on his campaign that it may have been able to stop the gunman from killing 17 people last week.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/parkland-students-angered-trump-connecting-shooting-russia-probe-190118563.html

[Credo]

And then he goes to a disco party:

 

Trump Joins Mar-a-Lago Disco Party After Visiting Survivors Of School Shooting

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-disco-party-after-victims-visit_us_5a88d654e4b00bc49f44e36b

[gk10002000]

Well, there certainly has been manpower continually applied to the Russian stuff.  But I doubt so much so that it interfered with all the other tasks the FBI is working on.  In this case, I don't think there is much of a system or process for handling, receiving, analyzing, processing data for such things as potential future bad things.  Coordination between Federal and State and Local agencies is not easy.  What priority do you assign to somebody that is reported as troublesome?  That could be millions of teenagers!  Then what do you do about it?  Proactively jail them like the Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report"?

[gk10002000]

The last time I checked, the head of the FBI, who presumably is in charge of the FBI reports directly to his boss, the Attorney General.  And either or both are under the jurisdiction and appointed by (I think subject to nomination/approval by congress) but can be fired by the President

[isaanbanhou]

52 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

It is getting harder and harder to believe that Trump is not being blackmailed by the Russians

The russians could have photo's of trump having sex with a dog, publish them and it wouldn't change most people's opinion of him. It is impossible to blackmail trump,  trumpalumps would blame the DOJ or the FBI and the sane of the world already know he is a big orange faced turd

[Becker]

1 hour ago, FreddieRoyle said:

Thank you Donald Trump. Finally the true story gets out. Yes, of course the state agencies have "all hands on deck" been searching 24/7 for the last year for any (nonexistant)sign of Trump having colluded with Russia. This has been the overriding focus of the FBI and others, and has been the biggest waste of federal resources mankind has ever known. So yes, the FBI were not able to prevent this shooter even though the shooter posted on social media in his own name that he would do a school mass shooting, and that the police had been called to his house 39 times did not raise any flags with the politicized state agencies.

Time to wipe the slate clean and start again. I fear there is no way they can regain credibility. 

Meanwhile, in the real world.......

[FreddieRoyle]

Just now, Becker said:

Meanwhile, in the real world.......

? Yes. Meanwhile in the real world there are 17 pairs of parents that just had their child murdered by a total nutjob that the highly politicized agencies didn't even bother to apprehend after multiple stark warning signs, because they were too busy looking for alledged/irrelevant/non-existent Russian collusion with Trump that cost Hillary her election. That is what this thread is about.

[Becker]

6 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

? Yes. Meanwhile in the real world there are 17 pairs of parents that just had their child murdered by a total nutjob that the highly politicized agencies didn't even bother to apprehend after multiple stark warning signs, because they were too busy looking for alledged/irrelevant/non-existent Russian collusion with Trump that cost Hillary her election. That is what this thread is about.

No, this thread is about a joke of a human being making everything that happens about himself. Even tragedies like the mass killing of children he has to politicize to his advantage

The day can not come soon enough when years on a fast food and soda diet finally gives the US relief.

[atyclb]

32 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

? Yes. Meanwhile in the real world there are 17 pairs of parents that just had their child murdered by a total nutjob that the highly politicized agencies didn't even bother to apprehend after multiple stark warning signs, because they were too busy looking for alledged/irrelevant/non-existent Russian collusion with Trump that cost Hillary her election. That is what this thread is about.

 

not a pleasant thought but one may wonder if some faction of the fbi decided not to apprehend the shooter as a pretext to an event that would bolster the ant-gun agenda.  evil indeed can and does exist even in agencies we are taught are looking after our best interests.

[mamypoko]

Trump has come and Trump will go, but Ivan remains in the crosshairs.

[mtls2005]

The FBI has 35,000 employees, and what, like five are working on the Mueller probe? Two of which seemed to be shagging/sexting most of the time.

 

Meanwhile, 20+ calls to local (FL) authorities went un-investigated. I don't see Gov. Scott stepping forward to take responsibility and resign.

 

Trump's manic tweet-storm this weekend - Melania ditched him, again as another affair/payoff emerged - is both shameful, turning the shooting back to his 'problems', and quite disconcerting. Ivanka should be called in to soothe the beast, or at least up the meds.

[Berkshire]

48 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

? Yes. Meanwhile in the real world there are 17 pairs of parents that just had their child murdered by a total nutjob that the highly politicized agencies didn't even bother to apprehend after multiple stark warning signs, because they were too busy looking for alledged/irrelevant/non-existent Russian collusion with Trump that cost Hillary her election. That is what this thread is about.

Trump lies constantly, yet you still take him at his word.  As for the FBI, what do people expect them to do...before Cruz actually did the deed.  Heck, the family he was living with didn't even know....

 

["We had this monster living under our roof and we didn't know," Kimberly Snead told the South Florida Sun Sentinel in an exclusive interview Saturday. "We didn't see this side of him."]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikolas-cruz-we-had-this-monster-living-under-our-roof-and-we-didnt-know/ar-BBJgp8y?ocid=wispr

 

[alanrchase]

For a self proclaimed genius Trump spends a lot of time proving himself to be stupid.

[lespaulTV]

is FBI a political tool?


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[FitnessHealthTravel]

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

And the above is the key element; Trump offers no evidence.

 

Assertion after assertion. Label after label. Slander after slander. Libel after libel. Lie after lie.

 

All based on nothing at all. 

 

THAT is Trumpism.

 

I have said it before and (sadly) need to say it again;

 

Donald Trump is an ever-expanding cloud of toxic waste that defiles everything it touches.

 

God help us all.

 

I believe the point is "the FBI" missed it, like they missed Boston and most of the other shootings that they (FBI) knew about because they are so OBSESSED trying to take out Trump. Too many people, like you, are so anti the man you miss the point of what is actually happening in the US. Obama was nothing more than a Public Speaker, his administrations actions or rather LACK of Action on just about every foreign policy including Iran and North Korea has lead us to where we are today. I'm NOT a Trump fan at all but I am open minded enough to see past the 'personality', clearly you are not unfortunately like most of the media.  God help you!

[Tug]

How low can that cadet bone spur go just distugsting a true embaresment a truly foul foul excuse for a human 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 

not a pleasant thought but one may wonder if some faction of the fbi decided not to apprehend the shooter as a pretext to an event that would bolster the ant-gun agenda.  evil indeed can and does exist even in agencies we are taught are looking after our best interests.

Pathetic thinking.

[Becker]

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 

not a pleasant thought but one may wonder if some faction of the fbi decided not to apprehend the shooter as a pretext to an event that would bolster the ant-gun agenda.  evil indeed can and does exist even in agencies we are taught are looking after our best interests.

Here's a friendly piece of advice to you (and other conspiracy theory loo lovers); think it through before posting! Because if you had you might have saved you the embarrassment of posting such drivel. You might have caught on to such obvious things as how can a "faction" suppress anything without the rest of the Bureau catching on to it, is this mysterious "faction" limited to the Miami field office of the FBI and if so, how lucky were they that it happened in Florida, etc, etc, ect.

In short, try to ask yourself questions that a person with even a smidgen of critical thinking ability would ask himself.

[tigermoth]

3 hours ago, grumbleweed said:

Just when you thought he couldn't get any lower.... a new record for the depths of depravity

Once again going where fake news fear to tread

Trump continues to amaze us with the total dog sh..t he comes out with. The leader of the free world??? He couldn't lead a dying  man to water unless he lied about it. Time to go.

[Srikcir]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

warning signs in the case of Nikolas Cruz,

State and local agencies and law officials investigations beginning in 2010 failed to find criminal intent by Cruz.

Cruz was never arrested – and was basically cleared as being “no threat to anyone or himself,” as one therapist said in a police report from Sept. 28, 2016.

Jared Bienenfeld with Henderson Mental Health, and the deputies concluded there were “no signs of mental illness or criminal activity.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/16/alleged-florida-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz-was-reported-to-fbi-cops-school-but-warning-signs-missed.html

Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott has been given an A-plus rating from the National Rifle Association and in 2017 signed a law to bolster the state's "stand your ground" law (later ruled unconstitutional by a Miami judge). In 2011 Scott signed into legislation a law that prevented doctors from discussing gun safety with patients, but was ruled a violation of the First Amendment Rights by a federal appeals court in February of 2017.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-said-have-some-weakest-gun-laws-nation-n848216

On February 28, 2017 Trump signed a measure nixing an Obama regulation aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of some severely mentally ill people.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html

Florida requires a three-day waiting period before you can buy a gun. But:

• it does not regulate assault weapons, .50-caliber rifles and large capacity ammunition magazines
• gun sellers don't have to get a state license to sell firearms
• you don't need a permit to conceal carry a rifle or shotgun, although you do need it to conceal carry a handgun
• you don't need a permit or license to buy a gun, nor do you have to register a firearm

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-gun-laws-trnd/index.html

In Florida, Republicans and Democrats have held governing trifectas (Governor and state congress) since 1992. Democrats held a trifecta in 1992. Republicans held a trifecta from 1999 to 2009 and again from 2011 to the present!

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_Florida_state_government

So yes, blame the Republican nominated and appointed FBI Director. But let's spread that blame to those at "ground zero" - State and local legislative and law authorities.

Hopefully, Florida voters will take the target off their families and loved ones in the 2018 elections and put the sights of justice where it belongs.

 

 

 

 

[farcanell]

5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

 

I have said it before and (sadly) need to say it again;

 

Donald Trump is an ever-expanding cloud of toxic waste that defiles everything it touches.

 

God help us all.

 

????? no... you don’t need to say it again... we already believe you 

 

what would really crack me up would be an article about a secret service agent resigning on the grounds that he wouldn’t take a bullet for trump.... that would make my day ( month and year, as well, I think)

[farcanell]

2 hours ago, FitnessHealthTravel said:

I believe the point is "the FBI" missed it, like they missed Boston and most of the other shootings that they (FBI) knew about because they are so OBSESSED trying to take out Trump. Too many people, like you, are so anti the man you miss the point of what is actually happening in the US. Obama was nothing more than a Public Speaker, his administrations actions or rather LACK of Action on just about every foreign policy including Iran and North Korea has lead us to where we are today. I'm NOT a Trump fan at all but I am open minded enough to see past the 'personality', clearly you are not unfortunately like most of the media.  God help you!

Your “location” says China... is that true... or are you actually on a river cruise in Egypt?

[morrobay]

4 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Well, there certainly has been manpower continually applied to the Russian stuff.  But I doubt so much so that it interfered with all the other tasks the FBI is working on.  In this case, I don't think there is much of a system or process for handling, receiving, analyzing, processing data for such things as potential future bad things.  Coordination between Federal and State and Local agencies is not easy.  What priority do you assign to somebody that is reported as troublesome?  That could be millions of teenagers!  Then what do you do about it?  Proactively jail them like the Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report"?

Here is what you do pro actively:

1. Given the totality of this wackos actions and online threats, that were known to local police and FBI. You get a search warrant and go out and confiscate all guns in his possession.

2. Put him under total physical and E surveillance. If he attempts to to obtain new firearms or recover them from another location ,  or rents a truck ,  arrest him.