Pollution tax on motorcycles now on the table

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Pollution tax on motorcycles now on the table

By Thai PBS

 

 

The Excise Department is now studying a possibility to introduce vehicle pollution tax on motorcycles in a new effort to improve air quality.

 

The department’s director-general Mr Krisada Chinavicharana said excise officials are now studying the possibility of charging pollution tax on motorcycles similar to cars in accordance with the emission of carbon (CO2) emission.

 

He said currently excise tax on motorcycle is charged in accordance with the engine capacity. But under the study, the more carbon it emits, the higher pollution tax will be charged.

 

Full story:  http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pollution-tax-motorcycles-now-table/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-02-20

[CGW]

Anything that helps getting the screaming, annoying, irritating cement mixer on steroid engines off the road has my vote! (what vote???? )

Edited February 20, 2018 by CGW

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, CGW said:

Anything that helps getting the screaming, annoying, irritating cement mixer on steroid engines off the road has my vote! (what vote???? )

Yes it would be such an improvement if all the MC riders would drive cars.. just imagine the traffic jams. If anything things should be made better for motorcycles instead of limiting the flyovers they can use and  stupid rules like that. Also most motorcycles pollute far less then the average car (just look at the use of fuel).

[Kinnock]

Just another way to collect more tax from hard working people - so the non-working sons of the elite can buy another V-12 supercar.  Just image what Bangkok congestion and air quality would be like if all those motorcycle riders had cars? 

 

If environmental protection is really the goal (and nobody believes that) then a congestion charge should be applied to all cars and trucks entering Bangkok.  London air quality improved significantly when people had to start paying to take cars into the city center.

 

Replacing a few of those ancient buses would be a good idea too.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Just another way to collect more tax from hard working people - so the non-working sons of the elite can buy another V-12 supercar.  Just image what Bangkok congestion and air quality would be like if all those motorcycle riders had cars? 

 

If environmental protection is really the goal (and nobody believes that) then a congestion charge should be applied to all cars and trucks entering Bangkok.  London air quality improved significantly when people had to start paying to take cars into the city center.

 

Replacing a few of those ancient buses would be a good idea too.

I drive both a car and a m/c in BKK i prefer the MC but I do hate it that there are so many flyovers you can't use. Now if i were to use my car i would pollute more.. and add to the traffic while my motorbike has far less traffic influence. 

 

So like you said this is not about pollution but about money. 

[leeneeds]

He also disclosed that during the past four months of Fiscal 2018 year, collection of overall excise taxes was 1 billion baht over the target, as collection of car and liquor taxes had surpassed targets.

But collection of excise tax on oil was below the target because more eco cars were used.

However he was confident overall collection of excise tax could meet the target at 600 billion baht.

The Excise Department forecast 800 billion baht excise tax to be collected in 2021 from expansion of tax bases and increase the collection efficiency of officials.

 

About money, !

 

Being serious about air quality is having an effective policing of defect vehicles , that you see every day, 

A program of calling in these polluting belching contaminates vehicles to a central number where the vehicle can be inspected and removed from the roads until it s fixed to the correct emission standard,

 

Blatant disregard for the air quality for all has its price,  have the will and use those extra monies the government has already collected to set this up, so many dash cameras are now in use combined with photo taking smart phones , very quickly the campaign  will be effective,

 

 

[CGW]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes it would be such an improvement if all the MC riders would drive cars.. just imagine the traffic jams. If anything things should be made better for motorcycles instead of limiting the flyovers they can use and  stupid rules like that. Also most motorcycles pollute far less then the average car (just look at the use of fuel).

Please read my post again instead of a needless attack, I purposefully said " screaming, annoying, irritating cement mixer on steroid engines " standard machines (unmodified!) - no problem.

Agree! also be very nice if motorcycle drivers had some respect for the rest of the population and didn't modify the exhaust system increasing not only the levels of pollution due to the additional un-burnt fuel being added to the atmosphere, but adding immensely to the noise pollution we endure on a daily basis.

[overherebc]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes it would be such an improvement if all the MC riders would drive cars.. just imagine the traffic jams. If anything things should be made better for motorcycles instead of limiting the flyovers they can use and  stupid rules like that. Also most motorcycles pollute far less then the average car (just look at the use of fuel).

Agree, especially if the bikes are 4 stroke. 6/12 people transported on 6 bikes for the same road space and less fuel used than one car.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, CGW said:

Please read my post again instead of a needless attack, I purposefully said " screaming, annoying, irritating cement mixer on steroid engines " standard machines (unmodified!) - no problem.

Agree! also be very nice if motorcycle drivers had some respect for the rest of the population and didn't modify the exhaust system increasing not only the levels of pollution due to the additional un-burnt fuel being added to the atmosphere, but adding immensely to the noise pollution we endure on a daily basis.

I thought you felt that way about all motorcycles.. sorry so many haters here. I have driven a ninja 650 with legal exhaust and modified exhaust (still under legal sound limit) but nowadays I just drive a scooter. I hear a few idiots with loud pipes but not that many certainly not the majority or even close to half of the bikes. Most are just non modified.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Agree, especially if the bikes are 4 stroke. 6/12 people transported on 6 bikes for the same road space and less fuel used than one car.

I believe almost all bikes are 4 stroke (at least most of the newer ones are) even my ninja 650 was not 2 stroke. All the scooters I owned were 4 strokes. 

[overherebc]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

I believe almost all bikes are 4 stroke (at least most of the newer ones are) even my ninja 650 was not 2 stroke. All the scooters I owned were 4 strokes. 

Still a few old oil burners around though.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

Still a few old oil burners around though.

Ok i live in BKK i don't see many of them also when parking my bike in shopping centers. But yea im sure there are still a few around but less then 1% maybe (just going by own experience of what i see parked and driving around). 

[overherebc]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Ok i live in BKK i don't see many of them also when parking my bike in shopping centers. But yea im sure there are still a few around but less then 1% maybe (just going by own experience of what i see parked and driving around). 

And a few smaller capacity 4 strokes that have had the crap revved out of them for years and rings, valves etc well burned that probably use more oil than gas around my way.

[Blue Muton]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

Ok i live in BKK i don't see many of them also when parking my bike in shopping centers. But yea im sure there are still a few around but less then 1% maybe (just going by own experience of what i see parked and driving around). 

I still see plenty out here in the sticks, often with dodgy expansion chambers. My first bike was a KH250, later I had a GT750 so I quite like two strokes.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, overherebc said:

And a few smaller capacity 4 strokes that have had the crap revved out of them for years and rings, valves etc well burned that probably use more oil than gas around my way.

True.. but the same goes for some cars that belch out black smoke, for some people it seems maintenace is not a priority. The cops should fine people like that (fat chance)

[Cadbury]

Sorry but I am overwhelmed by cynicism. I believe the government is hoping to cash in on the current controversy about atmospheric pollution and using it as an excuse to raise new taxes to pay for submarines, tanks and other toys for the generals. Likewise with all the money being thrown about on populist feel-good projects like Thai Niyom. I suspect there is a deep hole in the budget.

Edited February 20, 2018 by Cadbury

[edwinchester]

Tax the fuel and then those who use more will pay more.

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

I still see plenty out here in the sticks, often with dodgy expansion chambers. My first bike was a KH250, later I had a GT750 so I quite like two strokes.

in the sticks things are probably different... i poorer people who keep bikes longer but in BKK I really don't see many and I often park in huge motorcycle parking spaces of central westgate and when I park at the Makro I also don't see many. But I have no knowledge of the sticks.

[robblok]

13 minutes ago, Cadbury said:

Sorry but I am overwhelmed by cynicism. I believe the government is hoping to cash in on the current controversy about atmospheric pollution and using it as an excuse to raise new taxes to pay for submarines, tanks and other toys for the generals. Likewise with all the money being throw about on populist feel-good projects like Thai Niyom I suspect there is a deep hole in the budget.

quite possible, military toys and popular policies cost a lot of money. If they were serious they would just start by fining cars and bikes that belch out black smoke. 

[CGW]

39 minutes ago, robblok said:

I thought you felt that way about all motorcycles.. sorry so many haters here. I have driven a ninja 650 with legal exhaust and modified exhaust (still under legal sound limit) but nowadays I just drive a scooter. I hear a few idiots with loud pipes but not that many certainly not the majority or even close to half of the bikes. Most are just non modified.

~90% of the motorcycles where I live in Udon are modified! For the record I have been riding motorcycles for well over 50 years and still own one, at one time I owned a Honda motorcycle dealership, nothing against modifying an exhaust system if it is an improvement, which they can be by losing weight and improving performance but when they are changed for the only reason being to make as much noise as possible!!! 

& yes, its all about money regardless, governments don't do things for people to make them happy!

Edited February 20, 2018 by CGW

[thaiguzzi]

10 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

Tax the fuel and then those who use more will pay more.

Yep. Another idiot idea from the cabinet of Generals.

Ya know, all these little 110/125 runarounds have been FI for the last few years. We are talking 200 mpg....

Compared to a Toyota Vios thingey doing 40 mpg and hogging 6-8 times more space on the road?

Really smart these dumbf##ks in power.

Who would never ride a bicycle or powered 2 wheeler to and fro in city traffic. Hell no! No aircon....

[PremiumLane]

how about stopping the pick up trucks and trucks that billow out black smoke?

[robblok]

Just now, thaiguzzi said:

Yep. Another idiot idea from the cabinet of Generals.

Ya know, all these little 110/125 runarounds have been FI for the last few years. We are talking 200 mpg....

Compared to a Toyota Vios thingey doing 40 mpg and hogging 6-8 times more space on the road?

Really smart these dumbf##ks in power.

Who would never ride a bicycle or powered 2 wheeler to and fro in city traffic. Hell no! No aircon....

There was a fishing lake in center of BKK I had a locker there so I did not have to bring rods. So I always took my bike, the same trip with my car would have taken double the time (45 min vs 2 hours). I just use what is best for me at that time, more often then not its the motorcycle. (even though mc are more dangerous but I think that is for a large part dependent on who drives)

[RichardColeman]

Just makes the population poorer - not Thailand any cleaner.

 

 

[RichardColeman]

Hmm, said the General, one million taxed bikes is a free tank !

[mick220675]

In the area I live in the government will not be able to raise bike tax as no one taxes their bikes.

[poanoi]

i think scooters will be naturally phased out in favor of electric scooters in cities,

its already ongoing in china and can be speed up in thailand too.

the issue in for example pattaya is not CO2, but traffic jam,

and the biggest problem is cars, both those parked on one of the traffic lanes, and those clogging up the remaining lane

 

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

get rid of all of the noisy tuk tuks and eliminate about half of the taxi licenses in Bkk and the traffic and pollution would greatly decrease. 

[overherebc]

42 minutes ago, robblok said:

True.. but the same goes for some cars that belch out black smoke, for some people it seems maintenace is not a priority. The cops should fine people like that (fat chance)

You lost me with that long word beginning with 'm.'

???

True story. Stopped in a gas station in the pick up, filled the tank and got a free litre of water.

Decided to check the oil. Decided it needed a top up so removed the filler cap and said to the guy while pointing to the hole 1 litre, in my by best Thai, nung leet kap. Watched in shock as he un-capped a litre of water ready to pour it into the engine. Obviously said stop, loudly, and pointed to the oil bottles. He looked at me as though I was the daft one.

?

[Xonax]

Cars in traffic-jam pollutes the air many times more, than a car or motorbike driving at normal speed, so solve the traffic congestion problems in Bangkok to improve the air quality.  I leave the car at home and use my motorbike in Bangkok, to get through the traffic-jam.

And also get rid of the many old diesel vehicles with black smoke coming out of the exhaust.