Chinese paper says U.S. should learn from China, restrict guns, protect rights

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Chinese paper says U.S. should learn from China, restrict guns, protect rights

 

A note is seen on the fence of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School following a mass shooting, in Parkland, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins/Files

 

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - The United States should learn from China and "genuinely" protect human rights by restricting gun ownership, an editorial in a widely read state-run Chinese newspaper said on Friday.

 

The editorial in the Global Times newspaper was published after a massacre at a high school in Florida last week, in which 17 students and staff were killed, reignited a long-running debate about gun control in the United States.

 

"Washington has been pointing an accusing finger at other countries over human rights ... However, more Americans have been killed by gunfire in the country than American soldiers being killed in all U.S. wars," the Global Times said.

 

"Gun ownership in China is strictly regulated, which helps reduce gun-related crimes and deaths. The U.S. should learn from China and genuinely protect human rights," it said.

 

Human rights have long been a source of tension between the world's two largest economies, especially since 1989, when the United States imposed sanctions on China after a bloody crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators around Beijing's Tiananmen Square.

 

China rejects criticism of its rights record, pointing to its success at helping millions escape poverty, and regularly attempts to deflect the issue by calling attention to its critics' own problems.

 

However, the ruling Communist Party brooks no political dissent and President Xi Jinping's administration has seen a sweeping crackdown on rights lawyers and activists.

 

The Global Times, a hawkish news outlet run by the ruling Communist Party's top propaganda organ, the People's Daily, called it "inhumane" to turn a blind eye to gun violence after the shooting at Florida's Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

 

Gun violence is rare in China because private gun ownership is restricted.

 

"The U.S. has no other choice but to adopt gun control. The right of life is the most fundamental (of) human rights. The right to bear arms cannot overpower the individual's right to live," the Global Times editorial said.

 

(Reporting by John Ruwitch; Editing by Paul Tait)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-02-23

[the guest]

Americans giving up their firearms, and miss the opportunity of killing more of it's own citizens?

 

US is still living 1791, and refuses to join the 21st century.

 

Sad, and seemingly a very backward country, in someways worse than China !

[Morch]

A communist "news outlet"  goes on about individual rights. Nice trolling there.

[DoctorG]

This is exactly what Americans fear. Giving up their guns and risk becoming an authoritarian state like China.

China talking about human rights is laughable, but not for the people detained without trial, or a show-trail without adequate defense.

[Morch]

13 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

This is exactly what Americans fear. Giving up their guns and risk becoming an authoritarian state like China.

China talking about human rights is laughable, but not for the people detained without trial, or a show-trail without adequate defense.

 

About as laughable as reasoning that "giving up guns" ->" risk becoming an authoritarian state like China".

[Benmart]

4 hours ago, the guest said:

Americans giving up their firearms, and miss the opportunity of killing more of it's own citizens?

 

US is still living 1791, and refuses to join the 21st century.

 

Sad, and seemingly a very backward country, in someways worse than China !

An American situation best handled by American voters.

[Benmart]

16 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

About as laughable as reasoning that "giving up guns" ->" risk becoming an authoritarian state like China".

Look at history where the population was disarmed and the state took over all aspects of life. Americans can decide this matter for themselves. 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Benmart said:

Look at history where the population was disarmed and the state took over all aspects of life. Americans can decide this matter for themselves. 

 

Look at reality, where plenty of the US's own Western allies (vile dictatorships that they are..) exercise different policies on this matter.

[Sir Dude]

Even though some further gun law would probably being good in the US to stop nutjobs getting hold of them...but a bit rich coming from an insensitive control freak communist regime that won't tolerate anything other than their official oppressive view on everything that comes from some heartless elite. Haha

[observer90210]

The Chinese statement makes sense....but then, China Presidential Campaigns are not funded by a Chinese version of the NRA !!!

[pokerface1]

3 hours ago, Benmart said:

An American situation best handled by American voters.

I'll play my Trump car here and say, well looks like the American voters can get it all wrong.Better to follow the global opinion and loose the guns.

[YetAnother]

the american gun issue has been debated there since 1776; it is not one of the larger issues when considering way of life;

where would you rather live , china or usa ?

and why ?

reasoning people would , i believe, hugely prefer the latter

[pmarlowe]

the mass murderers in China use knives...although you don't get to read much about it...last story I read, some nut killed or wounded 30 in a train station...that said...war weapons should not be available to the average citizen...and on the subject of Trump arming teachers with concealed carry...what a kook...you have to be pretty good with a pistol to stop someone further than 10 feet away...that is if you have time to aim and shoot...hard to do when someone is sending a round a second at you...a 38 wont do it, a 9 mm might, a 45 is the best bet...but still -- distance, stress, superior firepower just make you another good guy with a gun made dead by a bad guy with a better gun...

[boomerangutang]

16 hours ago, Benmart said:

An American situation best handled by American voters.

I tend to agree. Unfortunately, there are still about 30% of US voters who are more devoted to the NRA than they are to safety of their children.  They're the same folks who believed, for at least 5 years, that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim.  A country is only as good as its people, and a significant portion of Americans are selfish dummies.

[metisdead]

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[RickBradford]

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Unfortunately, there are still about 30% of US voters who are more devoted to the NRA than they are to safety of their children.

 

That is an utterly reprehensible statement.

 

Suggesting that an entire block of people do not care enough about the safety of their children is exactly the kind of moronic demonisation which characterises the gun debate.

 

Has it occurred to you that the people in question might believe that their children are safer if the family has the means and knowledge to defend itself against malevolent people?

[Johnnyngai]

2 hours ago, car720 said:

Unfortunately not true.

I live in China and I can walk down the street at 3am in the morning without fear of molestation or mugging.  As can any woman.  The people here are genuinely friendly and hospitable.

The individual in China is much wealthier than the individual in the USA.

" The individual in China is much wealthier than the individual in the USA. "

An average Chinese factory worker works 60 hours a week and earns 3,000rmb (470usd)a month before all the deductions. 

The first time I visited China in 2000, factory workers average 700rmb a month.    

[Elfin]

3 hours ago, car720 said:

Unfortunately not true.

I live in China and I can walk down the street at 3am in the morning without fear of molestation or mugging.  As can any woman.  The people here are genuinely friendly and hospitable.

The individual in China is much wealthier than the individual in the USA.

I have to agree with you car720. I feel much safer here in China than I did on the streets of Sydney after dark. I still enjoy most of my freedoms here and I have lived quite comfortably in whichever Chinese city I have been working in.

[sawadeeken]

1 hour ago, Elfin said:

I have to agree with you car720. I feel much safer here in China than I did on the streets of Sydney after dark. I still enjoy most of my freedoms here and I have lived quite comfortably in whichever Chinese city I have been working in.

 

1 hour ago, Elfin said:

I have to agree with you car720. I feel much safer here in China than I did on the streets of Sydney after dark. I still enjoy most of my freedoms here and I have lived quite comfortably in whichever Chinese city I have been working in.

 

1 hour ago, Johnnyngai said:

" The individual in China is much wealthier than the individual in the USA. "

An average Chinese factory worker works 60 hours a week and earns 3,000rmb (470usd)a month before all the deductions. 

The first time I visited China in 2000, factory workers average 700rmb a month.    

How do you calculate that?  USA work 40 hours a week..............  Did you know?

We have some time off for the family..................

In the USA and some other countries, You do have to 'keep your eyes open' for problems but 'percentage wise' we have it 'safer and MORE beneficial' more than YOU...................

[Jingthing]

I don't think there is one on one relationship between gun restrictions and authoritarian regimes.

That voice from China plays right into the NRA's propaganda agenda.

It's for their own domestic consumption of course and they don't really care about human rights in the USA of course.

On the other hand, morality lectures about gun control from the free democratic nation of AUSTRALIA might be helpful. But they are too polite for that, too bad.

[Johnnyngai]

18 hours ago, car720 said:

Times have changed.

China now has the largest new car sales in the world and it is not the elite buying them.

With a population of 1.3 billion, 10% of the population is a lot of people.  

With most of the Chinese products,  the quality is 30% lower and the price is 50% lower. 

As of last year, the minimum wage in the big 4 Chinese city is about 2600rmb per month before all the deductions.

The minimum wage in the million population small city is about 1800rmb per month. 

The young Chinese graduated from oversea universities  " without good family connections, and without a degree in applied science "

start at about 6000rmb per month.  

The ones with " good family connections and a degree in applied science " earn about 15000rmb to start.      

[Johnnyngai]

On ‎2‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 8:09 PM, car720 said:

Unfortunately not true.

I live in China and I can walk down the street at 3am in the morning without fear of molestation or mugging.  As can any woman.  The people here are genuinely friendly and hospitable.

The individual in China is much wealthier than the individual in the USA.

  There are very few violent robberies in China;

I saw many business people bringing brick sized  stack of 100rmb bill to the bank. 

 

Crossing the street without traffic lights scares me as much as knights and guns,

because I have witnessed quite a few pedestrian injuries. 

The city center of the big 4 cities have plenty of traffic lights, but the mid to small city have very few traffic lights.

I usually cross the streets with women and children, because I use them as human shields.      

[spidermike007]

There is only one fact that you need to know, in this gun debate. 3% of gun owners in the US, own 97% of the guns. The NRA could easily be labeled a terrorist organization, and at the very minimum, an organization that supports terror. 

 

The US is a very dangerous place to live. I know alot of people who carry guns in their cars, or have one or more, in their houses. You risk your life, every time you raise your voice at someone, in the US. I know. I am an American, and I spend time there. It is a scary place. 

[spidermike007]

On 2/24/2018 at 8:09 AM, car720 said:

Unfortunately not true.

I live in China and I can walk down the street at 3am in the morning without fear of molestation or mugging.  As can any woman.  The people here are genuinely friendly and hospitable.

The individual in China is much wealthier than the individual in the USA.

 

I cannot comment on the quality of life in the US vs. China. But, one thing I do know for sure. The quality of life in the US is slipping quickly, for the average person, and has been for at least the past 10-15 years. The middle class is being decimated. And Trump's policies are only going to accelerate that decimation of those poor folks, who compose a majority of the American population. 

 

The NRA does not help anything or anyone. They are either a terrorist organization or one that supports terror. 

 

The way I see it, the US right now, is a place that I can compare to late 5th century Rome, just prior to Flavius Odovacer marching into Rome, in 476, and sacking the place. It is a nearly completely dysfunctional society on dozens of levels. And a large percentage of the population is disenchanted, disenfranchised, disappointed, and bitter. Happiness, contentment, and peace of mind, is something they rarely experience. I enjoy spending time there. But, I sure am thankful I do not have to live there. 

[Morch]

On 2/23/2018 at 3:26 PM, Benmart said:

An American situation best handled by American voters.

 

On 2/23/2018 at 6:19 PM, observer90210 said:

The Chinese statement makes sense....but then, China Presidential Campaigns are not funded by a Chinese version of the NRA !!!

 

Funny how such things have a way of sorting themselves in the PRC:

 

China sets stage for Xi to stay in office indefinitely

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics/china-sets-stage-for-xi-to-stay-in-office-indefinitely-idUSKCN1G906W

 

Think I'll still choose the US, warts and all.

 

 

 

 

[lannarebirth]

5 hours ago, Morch said:

 

 

Funny how such things have a way of sorting themselves in the PRC:

 

China sets stage for Xi to stay in office indefinitely

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics/china-sets-stage-for-xi-to-stay-in-office-indefinitely-idUSKCN1G906W

 

Think I'll still choose the US, warts and all.

 

 

 

 

 

They have a tendency to sort themselves out in predictable ways. Western industrialists will lobby their home governments to maintain favorable,to China and themselves, trade and business, and investment and taxation relations. No one will call it treasonous behaviour because that's who we are now. And it didn't start with Trump.

[poanoi]

On 2/23/2018 at 7:36 PM, YetAnother said:

the american gun issue has been debated there since 1776; it is not one of the larger issues when considering way of life;

where would you rather live , china or usa ?

and why ?

reasoning people would , i believe, hugely prefer the latter

actually i would sooner retire in  china, south china.

i like chinese woman, and the only nympho i ever met was chinese.

 

there is not one compelling reason for me to retire in USA, the closest thing would be caribbean

[bheard]

An American situation best handled by American voters.

The 58% of eligible American voters who can be bothered to get off their <deleted> to vote that is.

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[spidermike007]

18 hours ago, car720 said:

My father, many years ago, said to me that the US  will die of decadence.

I believe that we are witnessing the end of another empire.

Trump reminds me somewhat of Nero.

 

Not sure about the decadence part, but I completely agree that the empire is drawing to an end. Sure, the military may remain enormous for decades to come. But, the economy will continue to wither, compared to other giants, like China, and India. So will the cultural influence, as Hollywood is going downhill fast, and the pop singers of today do not have much to contribute. America will no longer be the place to be, as it will become harder and harder to get good paying jobs, the overall quality of life there is a pale shadow of what it used to be, for all but the top 5%, and the xenophobic visa policies will continue to discourage the best and the brightest from around the world from working there. Due to an outdated quota system, the US has not attracted that group, for quite some time. Trump is accelerating the process of decline, with countless policies completely lacking in vision, wisdom, or intelligence. 

 

Little DT. - The art of I cannot make a deal to save my life.

[zydeco]

On 2/24/2018 at 7:18 AM, pmarlowe said:

the mass murderers in China use knives

The mass murderers in China use the government, because they are the government.