Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[tebee]

40 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Very little to discuss. Of course the negotiators have lots of time left. Anyone know any good jokes?

This is what needs to be understood and sorted out  .

 

Twenty reminders about Brexit that many MPs, Ministers and Shadow Ministers seem to have forgotten:

 

1.The full benefits of the single market are only available as a member of the single market.
2. Single Market membership requires acceptance of all 4 freedoms.
3.Customs Union alone does not solve the NI/Ireland border issue
4.An invisible border for NI is impossible without Customs Union and Single Market for goods.
5.CU+SM for goods is available for NI, but only as an exception, reflecting the special status of it and the GFA
6.CU+SM just for goods is not available for whole of UK (it's cherry-picking)
7.CU+membership of SM is available for whole of UK (but see 1&2)
8.CU+SM is the least economically damaging form of Brexit
9.CU+SM is still economically much worse than EU membership
10.CU+SM is also democratically much worse than EU membership, and potentially extremely unstable.
11.EEA/EFTA without Customs Union does not solve NI/Ireland border issue
12.There will be no Withdrawal Agreement without agreement on the NI/Ireland Border
13.Parliament can decide to stop Brexit itself, or require a referendum on the Withdrawal Agreement with an option to remain as a condition for it to be ratified
14.Whatever happens, UK is likely to need an extension to Art50’s 2 years and should be preparing to request that now.
15.It will not be possible to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement between finalising it and Brexit day. It is not in EU27’s interests to do so.
16,There is next to no chance of the UK rejoining the EU for at least 10 years, whatever the form of Brexit. It will not be politically sellable for EU27 leaders.
17.EU27 have no interest in redesigning the Single Market, Freedom of Movement, the EEA or the Customs Union, or amending its treaties, to suit a leaving or ex-Member State, whether or not it is in the EEA or EFTA.
18.There is no “Jobs First” Brexit (see 8 & 9)
19.UKGov saying “Trust us” no longer works, either for the EU27 or the UK population
20.A change of PM, government or a general election will not change any of the things above (though it may well change a lot else).

[nontabury]

39 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

The main objective of Putin's War on Truth is to destroy people's faith in existing sources of news and information, so that people will trust gossip, rumour and lies in preference to authority and experts.  

 

  So you beleive in the media and the scare stories from the remainers.

 Well thankfully the Majority had the ability to think for themselves.

 

 

 

[SheungWan]

If you have nothing to say in Brexitland, say it with a really big font.

[Kwasaki]

10 minutes ago, tebee said:

This is what needs to be understood and sorted out  .

 (though it may well change a lot else).

Stop taking the steroids. ?

[Different]

In the sake of people prosperity there should be another referendum to really decide the fate of a nation and its future generations otherwise this is suicide leaving the Union.

Edited May 22, 2018 by Different
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[adammike]

3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

He was one of the people influencing people, his book, Why Vote Leave, that came out a few months before the referendum was a best seller.  Anyway, back to the point, vote leave lied about many things, he was just one part of that when he said that we would stay in the common market, one of many lies that have been exposed.  It would be ridiculous to suggest that no one feels mislead enough to want to regret their vote, I expect there are millions.

Northern Ireland voted 56% to remain the latest is that 69% now want to stay in the EU.

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Very little to discuss. Of course the negotiators have lots of time left. Anyone know any good jokes?

Hello, I am from Britain, you know, the one that got tricked by a bus.

 

 

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, adammike said:

Northern Ireland voted 56% to remain the latest is that 69% now want to stay in the EU.

Oh, so they’ve had another referendum in Nth Ireland, Well that’s news to me.

[Jip99]

2 hours ago, Different said:

In the sake of people prosperity there should be another referendum to really decide the fate of a nation and its future generations otherwise this is suicide leaving the Union.

 

So we have another referendum, and once again the polls are wrong, and the voters opt for leave........ that is suicide?

 

 

Oh, I get it....only a remain vote isn’t suicide !!!!

 

 

 

..and they said Brexiteers were dumb!..... ???

[AYJAYDEE]

7 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

So we have another referendum, and once again the polls are wrong, and the voters opt for leave........ that is suicide?

 

 

Oh, I get it....only a remain vote isn’t suicide !!!!

 

 

 

..and they said Brexiteers were dumb!..... ???

in his opinion yes. seems easy to understand. how could he believe BOTH options were suicide?

 

[tomacht8]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

Very little to discuss. Of course the negotiators have lots of time left. Anyone know any good jokes?

Again 4 Brexiters have drowned.
They wanted to build a cellar under their houseboat.

Edited May 22, 2018 by tomacht8

[Jip99]

40 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Again 4 Brexiters have drowned.
They wanted to build a cellar under their houseboat.

 

 

 

...and that is Remain ‘humour’.

 

Forgive me for not pissing my pants...

[aright]

I have always felt that there are benefits for the EU from doing a satisfactory trade deal with the UK. It gets the agreed £40 billion separation money and more money by preserving its markets in the UK with a mutually beneficial deal. I accept that the negotiated trade terms might not be as good as they are now but no trade terms at all is not in the EU's interest or ours.

Sadly the long standing prediction of the EU that the UK will be worse off outside the EU has now become a strategic goal. At every turn  in our negotiations with them they ask how can we make this unpleasant for the UK. Look at current developments in the Galileo Project ( Can Remainers tell me what part I played in the election of Selmayr?)

Many Remainers on this forum refer to our European friends. It has become clear they are not our friends. They intend Brexit to hurt us which makes them our enemies.

It's time to treat them as such. Take the settlement cheque off the table and walk away.

[adammike]

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Oh, so they’ve had another referendum in Nth Ireland, Well that’s news to me.

Very funny,but there will be another referendum or an election before brexit most likely an election.It was a government poll that came up with the 69%,it's an astonishing number.I stand by my other posts that brexit will cause the break up of the UK.

[aright]

27 minutes ago, adammike said:

Very funny,but there will be another referendum or an election before brexit most likely an election.It was a government poll that came up with the 69%,it's an astonishing number.I stand by my other posts that brexit will cause the break up of the UK.

 

[soalbundy]

9 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I recommend that you broaden his horizons to include the rest of the EU while we still allow them to use our English.

well he now wants me teach him German, his morning greeting these days is 'Guten morgen'

[The Renegade]

This is going to be fantastic, get the beer and popcorn ready. 

 

The Italian President is not happy with the person proposed  as Prime Minister, he might have embellished his CV, I was not aware that the back slapping political class required CV's.

 

The Italian President is not happy with the person proposed as Finance Minister, who has previously been a prominent figure in Italian economics and Finance for decades. He is also an economist but is Anti - EU.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/360dc63a-5dd3-11e8-9334-2218e7146b04

 

At the behest of the EU, the Italian President is going to force the collapse of this coalition and head back to the polls.

 

If that happens the election results will be very decisive and the message will be loud and clear.

 

It would appear that the Europhiles have learned nothing from the Brexit vote.

[Scott]

A post making an accusation of someone being paid to post has been removed.   It's trolling and inflammatory.   Do it again and face a suspension.  

[The Renegade]

4 hours ago, aright said:

I have always felt that there are benefits for the EU from doing a satisfactory trade deal with the UK. It gets the agreed £40 billion separation money and more money by preserving its markets in the UK with a mutually beneficial deal.

If the UK needs to pay the EU to access the EU market, surely the EU should pay the UK to access the UK market ?

 

Would the sensible thing not be to forget paying anyone anything and just access each others market ?

 

But that is not possible, what the EU needs more than anything is more money.

[transam]

7 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

If the UK needs to pay the EU to access the EU market, surely the EU should pay the UK to access the UK market ?

 

Would the sensible thing not be to forget paying anyone anything and just access each others market ?

 

But that is not possible, what the EU needs more than anything is more money.

..........when the UK leaves..

[soalbundy]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

..........when the UK leaves..

If

[The Renegade]

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Australia will push for expanded access to Europe’s agricultural markets in free trade talks with the EU after its member states gave the green light for negotiations to start within weeks.

That will go down well with the French. 

 

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The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, has vowed to complete the EU’s talks with Australia and New Zealand by 31 October 2019, when his time in office expires.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/23/australia-free-trade-deal-talks-to-push-for-greater-access-to-eus-agriculture-markets

 

Yet according to the EU, the UK must remain in the Single Market or Customs Union as a Free Trade Agreement between the UK and EU is not possible, or at the very least would take decades to negotiate.

[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

If

https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6

[soalbundy]

3 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6

intentions aren't realities. 'There's many a slip twixt cup and lip'

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 hours ago, Grouse said:

Very little to discuss. Of course the negotiators have lots of time left. Anyone know any good jokes?

Just for you Grouse

 

I couldn’t help but think of Captain Mainwaring and young Pike when I saw this

 

“You stupid boy”

[The Renegade]

13 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

intentions aren't realities. 'There's many a slip twixt cup and lip'

Indeed there is, Italy being the latest one.

 

The EU's top class negotiator had this to say '' Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed '' He nailed it perfectly which is why I happen to agree with the countdown clock and that WTO rules will apply from 29 March 2019.

[StreetCowboy]

9 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

  So you beleive in the media and the scare stories from the remainers.

 Well thankfully the Majority had the ability to think for themselves.

 

 

 

Memes and big fonts are great for people who can't understand paragraphs and sentences.

[StreetCowboy]

39 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

intentions aren't realities. 'There's many a slip twixt cup and lip'

... and the best laid plans...

 

If only we had best-laid plans.

[soalbundy]

20 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

... and the best laid plans...

 

If only we had best-laid plans.

plans are only obstacles that events have to skirt around 

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, AYJAYDEE said:

in his opinion yes. seems easy to understand. how could he believe BOTH options were suicide?

 

Anything less than a significant majority in either direction will result in civil war for a generation. If 60% of those who vote opt for anything, including a hard Brexit, I will support it.