‘Impossible goals’ set for parties to organise

[webfact]

‘Impossible goals’ set for parties to organise

By KAS CHANWANPEN 
THE NATION 

 

 

POLITICIANS COMPLAIN CONFIRMATION OF ALL MEMBERS NOT FEASIBLE IN A SINGLE MONTH

 

A JUNTA order setting the schedule for political parties in preparation for the upcoming election could be a problem rather than a solution, as political parties yesterday voiced concerns over difficulties and confusion related to their activities.

 

Parties stated in unison that the order should be amended or nullified to allow the completion of necessary activities before the poll.

 

While the Election Commission (EC) yesterday organised a seminar briefing parties about the changes involved in the order and new laws, the agency was unable to fully clarify the junta directive.

 

“The EC will try to help sort out the issues that drew complaints. But if it is about the National Council for Peace and Order [NCPO], we can only pass issues on to the authorities to help find answers,” said EC president Supachai Somcharoen yesterday.

 

Government officials had talked with him about amending the order and loosening the restrictions, he said, but added that at present the order remained unchanged.

 

Junta order 53/2560 was issued in December to reschedule the timetable laid out by the organic law governing political parties, while maintaining the prevailing ban on political activities.

 

The law requires parties to make arrangements, such as updating membership rosters and collecting membership fees, within a deadline initiated at the law’s promulgation in October. But politicians have been unable to fulfil the requirements because of the junta ban on most political activities.

 

According to the order, existing political parties can start administrative work this Sunday, but confusion remains about the membership status and collection of fees, which they have to do within 30 days. Unless members confirm their membership with the party during that period, they could lose their status.

 

Abhisit Vejjajiva

 

Abhisit Vejjajiva, Democrat Party leader, said yesterday he wanted clarification if members would lose their memberships if they failed to pay party fees within 30 days.

 

The junta order needed amendment, he said, as some points were impossible to achieve in practice. Among them was the order to set up regional branches, while parties were not allowed to convene or make any agreements, he said.

 

Phumtham Wechayachai, acting secretary-general of Pheu Thai Party, said yesterday the NCPO should revoke the political ban, otherwise parties would not be able to act.

 

“Facilitate the people as much as possible. Rescind the order and allow parties to perform their activities. This is the key solution to every problem,” the politician said.

 

Phumtham also said the confirmation of membership roles by the end of April would be problematic because more than 10 days would be lost to the Songkran public holiday, while there were other unclear rules and regulations. 

 

“This is like all parties are being reset. If members don’t confirm their memberships, they are no longer members,” Phumtham said. “We are sure to lose a number of members. Such as the Demo-crats, they have millions of members. How can they call all of them in 30 days?”

 

Phumtham Wechayachai (center)

 

Warawut Silpa-archa, leader of Chart Thai Patana, also complained about the limited time and the public holiday, adding he expected to lose members. 

 

“Not only do they [members] have to send documents to confirm their status, but they also have to pay a fee,” he said. “If there are any errors in the process, the punishment could be as harsh as dissolving the party. We think a smaller number is acceptable. We want to make sure the documents and everything else are correct.”

 

Meanwhile, the names of 25 to 30 members of the National Legislative Assembly (NLA) were also collected yesterday as part of a proposed petition for the Constitutional Court to reconsider whether the bill draft on the election of MPs violates the charter.

 

If the court accepts the request, it could take up to two months to consider the issue, which would also mean that more time would be consumed in the legislative process, which could delay the election period even further.

 

The list would be handed to the NLA president today before being forwarded to the court next Monday.

 

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30341974

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-03-29

[Get Real]

Off course, and the answer is simple.

[Samui Bodoh]

Of course the Junta is trying to make it difficult!

 

The Greens cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. Why is there any surprise?

 

If the parties want to fight it, then they need to start shouting in unison that the Junta is creating an unfair process and that it threatens the legitimacy of any vote. And that is the key word, "legitimacy".

 

The one and only reason that the Junta is going through this process is they need legitimacy; that is their objective, to be considered a legitimate government rather than simply 'thugs' who stole power. The way to fight that is to proclaim, loudly and often, that no one will consider them 'legitimate' if they have an unfair process. And parties, it might behoove you to mention, whether you liked them or not, that Thaksin and Yingluck managed to get elected in a reasonably fair election and ask the Greens if they are able to meet that standard? Ask if the Greens can meet the same legitimacy as Thaksin and/or Yingluck? In politics, sometimes you gotta say a few things to get people's attention...

 

Again, the Greens (and the Yellows for that matter) cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat often. They are cheating cheaters who will always cheat.

 

Fight back. 

 

Edited March 28, 2018 by Samui Bodoh
Lack of coffee

[YetAnother]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

If the court accepts the request, it could take up to two months to consider the issue, which would also mean that more time would be consumed in the legislative process, which could delay the election period even further.

so which is it ? either the backroom plotters in all this are brilliantly devious Or they are as dumb as a tree and this is just bureaucratic inefficiency fallout 

[Thailand]

5 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

so which is it ? either the backroom plotters in all this are brilliantly devious Or they are as dumb as a tree and this is just bureaucratic inefficiency fallout 

I think your comments are unfair to trees!

 

 

[JOC]

Forget all the technicalities.....

The real question here is, how can a gang of coup-makers dictate, how independent political parties should go about their business, and how they should be organized ahead of a supposedly free and fair election....

If it wasn't so sad...it would almost be funny....

[Anak Nakal]

I think Prayut afraid like little girl!

 

Thailand need good election.

[Ossy]

If our playground bully, Prayut, isn't careful, he'll drop just one too many bad bits into his 'broken promises and dirty tricks' stew. Too many, let's hope, for the brighter guys in the Army's higher echelons who may be able to do what it's becoming impossible for peaceable politicians to do . . . not just to stand and fight the bully, but to push him back to where he belongs . . . the parade ground. I dreamt that, the other night . . . and woke up, singing my head off!

[Srikcir]

All these machinations to disrupt party membership of major Thai political parties preparing for the next election just might open the way to popular support for the new party recently registered under the name “Pracha Chat”, which literally means “nation.”

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30341809

Ooops!

[seminomadic]

3 hours ago, Ossy said:

If our playground bully, Prayut, isn't careful, he'll drop just one too many bad bits into his 'broken promises and dirty tricks' stew. Too many, let's hope, for the brighter guys in the Army's higher echelons who may be able to do what it's becoming impossible for peaceable politicians to do . . . not just to stand and fight the bully, but to push him back to where he belongs . . . the parade ground. I dreamt that, the other night . . . and woke up, singing my head off!

Yes.......... I know you will......

[Expatthailover]

8 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Of course the Junta is trying to make it difficult!

 

The Greens cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. Why is there any surprise?

 

If the parties want to fight it, then they need to start shouting in unison that the Junta is creating an unfair process and that it threatens the legitimacy of any vote. And that is the key word, "legitimacy".

 

The one and only reason that the Junta is going through this process is they need legitimacy; that is their objective, to be considered a legitimate government rather than simply 'thugs' who stole power. The way to fight that is to proclaim, loudly and often, that no one will consider them 'legitimate' if they have an unfair process. And parties, it might behoove you to mention, whether you liked them or not, that Thaksin and Yingluck managed to get elected in a reasonably fair election and ask the Greens if they are able to meet that standard? Ask if the Greens can meet the same legitimacy as Thaksin and/or Yingluck? In politics, sometimes you gotta say a few things to get people's attention...

 

Again, the Greens (and the Yellows for that matter) cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat often. They are cheating cheaters who will always cheat.

 

Fight back. 

 

So many absolute conclusions drawn based purely upon observation and personal bias.

Star Chamber stuff

[kannot]

7 hours ago, Thailand said:

I think your comments are unfair to trees!

 

 

and "back rooms"

[kannot]

A  good  plan would be a  total boycott on voting day with a mass march into  BKK of millions stifling the capital making the yellow perils protest seem  diminutive by comparison. 

This isnt going to be solved peacefully.

[kannot]

5 hours ago, JOC said:

Forget all the technicalities.....

The real question here is, how can a gang of coup-makers dictate, how independent political parties should go about their business, and how they should be organized ahead of a supposedly free and fair election....

If it wasn't so sad...it would almost be funny....

mai bpen  rai,  thats  how

[stephen tracy]

17 hours ago, Anak Nakal said:

I think Prayut afraid like little girl!

 

Thailand need good election.

An terrible insult to little girls all around the world.

[Baerboxer]

13 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Of course the Junta is trying to make it difficult!

 

The Greens cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. Why is there any surprise?

 

If the parties want to fight it, then they need to start shouting in unison that the Junta is creating an unfair process and that it threatens the legitimacy of any vote. And that is the key word, "legitimacy".

 

The one and only reason that the Junta is going through this process is they need legitimacy; that is their objective, to be considered a legitimate government rather than simply 'thugs' who stole power. The way to fight that is to proclaim, loudly and often, that no one will consider them 'legitimate' if they have an unfair process. And parties, it might behoove you to mention, whether you liked them or not, that Thaksin and Yingluck managed to get elected in a reasonably fair election and ask the Greens if they are able to meet that standard? Ask if the Greens can meet the same legitimacy as Thaksin and/or Yingluck? In politics, sometimes you gotta say a few things to get people's attention...

 

Again, the Greens (and the Yellows for that matter) cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat often. They are cheating cheaters who will always cheat.

 

Fight back. 

 

 

Thaksin and Yingluck were elected. Lied and cheated. Once an elected official breaks the law, lies, cheats etc then the legitimacy of being elected ceases. Being elected does not mean someone is above the law. 

 

Thaksin also showed his disregard when he resigned the caretaker PM role and then seized it back with no legitimacy or concern for due process.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your comments, but let's stop any pretense that the Shins are somehow honorable, honest, ethical or give a fig for laws and the truth.

[stephen tracy]

8 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Thaksin and Yingluck were elected. Lied and cheated. Once an elected official breaks the law, lies, cheats etc then the legitimacy of being elected ceases. Being elected does not mean someone is above the law. 

 

Thaksin also showed his disregard when he resigned the caretaker PM role and then seized it back with no legitimacy or concern for due process.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your comments, but let's stop any pretense that the Shins are somehow honorable, honest, ethical or give a fig for laws and the truth.

The Shins were not honest/honourable, only a fool would suggest that, but the Shins were elected, meaning they could also be voted out. You can't get rid of the junta through an election. They have made that abundantly clear. The "elections", if they ever happen, will meaningless. Just a show to ensure the international community doesn't impose sanctions or trade restrictions.

[Odysseus123]

46 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

The Shins were not honest/honourable, only a fool would suggest that, but the Shins were elected, meaning they could also be voted out. You can't get rid of the junta through an election. They have made that abundantly clear. The "elections", if they ever happen, will meaningless. Just a show to ensure the international community doesn't impose sanctions or trade restrictions.

That is what the guy does.Essentially he (and a few others) are totally pathetic.

 

No-one is interested,

 

Perhaps his paymasters could 

off his salary-for selling som tam-of course,

 

[thaiguzzi]

19 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Of course the Junta is trying to make it difficult!

 

The Greens cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. Why is there any surprise?

 

If the parties want to fight it, then they need to start shouting in unison that the Junta is creating an unfair process and that it threatens the legitimacy of any vote. And that is the key word, "legitimacy".

 

The one and only reason that the Junta is going through this process is they need legitimacy; that is their objective, to be considered a legitimate government rather than simply 'thugs' who stole power. The way to fight that is to proclaim, loudly and often, that no one will consider them 'legitimate' if they have an unfair process. And parties, it might behoove you to mention, whether you liked them or not, that Thaksin and Yingluck managed to get elected in a reasonably fair election and ask the Greens if they are able to meet that standard? Ask if the Greens can meet the same legitimacy as Thaksin and/or Yingluck? In politics, sometimes you gotta say a few things to get people's attention...

 

Again, the Greens (and the Yellows for that matter) cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat often. They are cheating cheaters who will always cheat.

 

Fight back. 

 

So you think they cheat then?

[Ossy]

10 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

On 3/29/2018 at 4:47 AM, Samui Bodoh said:

Again, the Greens (and the Yellows for that matter) cheat. They always cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat. They are cheating cheaters who cheat often. They are cheating cheaters who will always cheat.

 

Fight back. 

 

So you think they cheat then?

Ah-ah . . . don't go jumping to conclusions