Thailand continues debate on electronic cigarettes

[webfact]

Thailand continues debate on electronic cigarettes

 

 

BANGKOK, 2 April 2018 (NNT) - The debate on electronic cigarettes continues in Thailand, amid a legal ban on their import and possession. 

Academics and users of electronic cigarettes and baraku along with related parties have recently attended a seminar to discuss what they believe to be public confusion over these devices. 

The debate was organized particularly to find an answer to the question of whether they should be supported as an alternative approach to help discourage smoking of tobacco products. 

The debaters agreed that the government should make e-cigarettes and baraku an official alternative for smokers as they are less dangerous to health and cause less pollution. 

The discussion also called for the government’s recognition of the legal right to choose less harmful smoking products in Thailand. 

In addition, participants discussed the proposition to include e-cigarettes and baraku in the country’s import system to prevent smuggling and the proposals to set up measures to control the purchase and the use of e-cigarettes among young smokers and to conduct a study on the pros and cons of these devices.

 

-- nnt 2018-04-02

[Get Real]

The only reason this ban exists, is to secure that the tobacco monopoly is intact. Disregarding better health, we rather ban and still make money out of peoples misery.

[YetAnother]

49 minutes ago, webfact said:

and to conduct a study on the pros and cons of these devices.

exactly why it won't work; we are under an ultra-conservative (forced on us) government; last thing they want is Anything open to discussion

[ukrules]

18 minutes ago, Get Real said:

The only reason this ban exists, is to secure that the tobacco monopoly is intact. Disregarding better health, we rather ban and still make money out of peoples misery.

This monopoly recently reported a loss of 1.5 Billion Baht , the first such loss.

 

This means that the Thai taxpayers are now subsidising the company as it's a state enterprise.

 

[coulson]

Whaddya know, a constructive discussion......that will end there. 

[Get Real]

52 minutes ago, ukrules said:

This monopoly recently reported a loss of 1.5 Billion Baht

Yep! The number as a loss sounds good, and then peoples eyes not need to open as they would if report of a profit should be seen.
However, do you really believe that number, that the Thai tobacco monopoly actually have a loss? Can´t be like that. In that case you make me scared. 

[Phaser]

Agree 100%

 

its all about the tobacco monopoly and a Daddy State that controls people’s options 

[fullcave]

I see these are readily available in Thailand and see locals smoking these "out in the open" on a daily basis. Seems someone forgot to tell them it's illegal. 

[sammieuk1]

If you can get away with 25 watches vaping's a breeze.  

[AhFarangJa]

Smoke and Mirrors { pun }, Until the Tobacco monopoly via the Government have secured the sole rights to import , distribute, and manufacture these products.

[anon789561]

as i sit here puffing away on my kangertech dripbox 2 with honeydew pineapple liquid, all bought right here in LOS, i too wonder when they'll enforce a proper ban and introduce the philip morris IQOS. but for now all is well

[yougivemebaby]

3 hours ago, Get Real said:

The only reason this ban exists, is to secure that the tobacco monopoly is intact. Disregarding better health, we rather ban and still make money out of peoples misery.

Thanks General obvious. 

[anon789561]

it's clear where it's all heading and it is smoke free. they are being launched all around the world and it's only a matter of time before it's thailand too. the tobacco firms know they have to change and are

 

https://www.pmi.com/who-we-are/designing-a-smoke-free-future

[Get Real]

5 minutes ago, yougivemebaby said:

Thanks General obvious. 

Having a bad day? Out of Honey coated Frosties? 

[wgdanson]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

they believe to be public confusion

The public is NOT confused over this. It this committee who are.

[Sydebolle]

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

This monopoly recently reported a loss of 1.5 Billion Baht , the first such loss.

 

This means that the Thai taxpayers are now subsidising the company as it's a state enterprise.

 

 

Have not read that but it is mind-boggling news. How can you burn (no pun intended) B 1.5 billion with a monopoly on tobacco? The tax alone on imported fags is higher than the sales price of the local weed; latter unsmokeable but from a financial point of view in terms of tax collection interesting. So any Isani changing from Golden Kraut Korat to an international cigarette brand creates more tax money than before. 

If you would have zero smokers in Thailand it still could not be, that they burn (pun intended here) B 1.5 the billion - me thinks! 

[HHTel]

Quote

It is important to note that this study was small and limited, with the authors including the fact that most of the e-cigarette cohort were formerly cigarette smokers, making it difficult to clearly identify whether these results were solely related to e-cigarette use. 

We'll see.

[Krataiboy]

The debaters agreed that the government should make e-cigarettes and baraku an official alternative for smokers as they are less dangerous to health and cause less pollution. 

 

Never mind rabies - what about this epidemic of common sense that has suddenly broken out in LOS!

[AlQaholic]

4 hours ago, Get Real said:

The only reason this ban exists, is to secure that the tobacco monopoly is intact. Disregarding better health, we rather ban and still make money out of peoples misery.

The very powerful tobacco monopoly.

[sawadee1947]

4 hours ago, Get Real said:

The only reason this ban exists, is to secure that the tobacco monopoly is intact. Disregarding better health, we rather ban and still make money out of peoples misery.

You are a funny guy.......to talk in this connection about HEALTH.

[wvavin]

When you make a business proposal to the Singapore business entities, they usually take a day or two to reply. However, when you do the same to any Thai business owners they take months!

[Get Real]

17 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

You are a funny guy.......to talk in this connection about HEALTH.

You think so? Then you are totally without knowledge, I would say. You do know how many of the toxic ingrediensies in a normal cigarette, that has been taken out from electronic smoking, right?

 

Still not healthy, but much better and that will make it a healthier choice disregarding how you would like to form your comment.

Edited April 2, 2018 by Get Real

[natway09]

Actually ,,, uk rules that is not correct.

What they conveniently did not mention is the  amount of tax generated by the Thailand Tobacco Monopoly

that goes directly into the Governments coffers

[impulse]

4 hours ago, ukrules said:

This monopoly recently reported a loss of 1.5 Billion Baht , the first such loss.

 

This means that the Thai taxpayers are now subsidising the company as it's a state enterprise.

 

Still, if a company is selling a product that sends tens of billions of baht to the treasury in the form of cigarette taxes, what's the harm in kicking back a billion or two in subsidies?   That's just $50 million in real money.  Peanuts compared to the sum of cigarette taxes.

 

And with accounting rules like they are, the Tobacco Monopoly could be throwing off billions in cash every month and still report an annual loss on their tax returns.  They probably have that much change in the value of their real estate holdings and foreign currency transactions every year.  So posting a loss isn't really that dramatic, and I doubt the taxpayers are doling out any cash to keep them afloat

 

[Steps]

56 minutes ago, Matt96 said:

there is absolutely no evidence that e-cigarettes are less harmful than tobacco.  it's just in imagination of those who want to find an easy way to destroy his and other people health in public places.

 

but there are studies suggesting that e-cigarettes damage lungs in unique way - not same as cigarettes.

 

https://newatlas.com/e-cigarette-unique-lung-disease-harm/51847/

 

even FDA did not approve e-cigarettes.

 

ban on e-cigarettes is totally justified. if you  can't accept it - go back home. Thai government create new laws to make Thai people healthier not to indulge harmful habits of foreign visitors.

There is a wealth of evidence that e-cigarette's are less harmful.

 

http://www.ecigalternative.com/ecigarette-studies-research.htm

 

Most members here have called it already. The tobacco monopoly is doing it's damned best to prevent a new technology cutting into it's profits at the cost of peoples health and ultimately, their lives. There is a vested interest for the government to restrict there sale.

 

Come on Thailand!! Do the right thing for your people!

 

P.S. It's amazing how quick a post goes off topic!!

[Matt96]

5 minutes ago, Steps said:

There is a wealth of evidence that e-cigarette's are less harmful.

 

http://www.ecigalternative.com/ecigarette-studies-research.htm

on the site which was created to promote e-cigarettes? really?

 

why cant you just stop <deleted> smoking?!

Edited April 2, 2018 by Matt96

[anon467367354]

"Thailand continues debate on electronic cigarettes"  should say...

 

Thailand continues to micromanage the people's lives by not letting them make 

their own choices.

[anon789561]

2 minutes ago, gr8fldanielle said:

"Thailand continues debate on electronic cigarettes"  should say...

 

Thailand continues to micromanage the people's lives by not letting them make 

their own choices.

to be fair it's not just thailand. it's a transition and most countries haven't yet worked how to get their cut on the e-cig market(except for china 555). the tobacco firms are already on to that i think

[Matt96]

2 minutes ago, gr8fldanielle said:

Thailand continues to micromanage the people's lives by not letting them make 

their own choices.

like injecting heroine or doing meth, or throwing waste on streets?

Thanks God, USA and EU are not like that...

[kalidescopemind]

Jeez, what worse, ex-hookers or ex-smokers?   If all there is in the cartridges of e-cigs is nicotine, e-cig pose zero health problems, except elevated heart beat.     Cured tobacco has several potent carcinogens, mainly niconitrosamines, and they can't be taken out.  The content of E-cigs can be regulated to make them harmless!  The FDA in the USA regulates the use of E-cigs but has not approved or disapproved of them.  E-cigs were invented before the US Tobacco industry ALLOWED FDA regulation of tobacco products.   The last I heard was the FDA wants to reduce the nicotine in cigs to make them less addictive. I know of no plans to regulate e-cigs, and they probably should.  But I can tell you, you are more likely to get struck by lightning than to get harmed in any way by anything in an e-cig.    They have helped millions of people get off cigarettes, which KILL millions of people every year.   E-cigs have saved a lot of lives in that way, they are a far healthier alternative to smoking cigarettes.   Thailand should not ban them,  Thais know they are healthier, and as has been noted,  banning e-cigs is a move to protect the tobacco monopoly in Thailand, and that is the only reason.