FBI raids offices, home of Trump's personal lawyer: source

[Bill Miller]

9 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I'm a Democrat from California.  I have two similarly beautiful daughters who have just /just about to graduate college. I've encouraged them not to take shortcuts in pursuing their respective careers..

You sure don't talk like a Democrat. I think DINO is the oft used sobriquet.
I am glad you have good daughters. Good luck to them.
Again, taking a JD and persevering in passing the bar, and campaigning for and being elected to public office are NOT shortcuts.
Here are a few facts, not political innuendo manufactured by Terrence Hallinan:
https://www.salon.com/2013/04/05/kamala_harris_deserves_better/

[Ron19]

Off topic post removed.

[BuriramSam]

1 hour ago, Bill Miller said:

You sure don't talk like a Democrat. I think DINO is the oft used sobriquet.
I am glad you have good daughters. Good luck to them.
Again, taking a JD and persevering in passing the bar, and campaigning for and being elected to public office are NOT shortcuts.
Here are a few facts, not political innuendo manufactured by Terrence Hallinan:
https://www.salon.com/2013/04/05/kamala_harris_deserves_better/

Leftist trash trash. Hey I like this game!

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, BuriramSam said:

Leftist trash trash. Hey I like this game!

Fact-free name calling? Another name for the game you're playing is "trolling.".

[BuriramSam]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Fact-free name calling? Another name for the game you're playing is "trolling.".

Actually, I was doing precisely what the poster I was replying to did to make a point. So that person was trolling, correct?

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, BuriramSam said:

Actually, I was doing precisely what the poster I was replying to did to make a point. So that person was trolling, correct?

He also offered a link to facts that refuted what that refuted what Hallinan claimed. You just offered name-calling.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎4‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 10:25 AM, lannarebirth said:

to ensure the understanding of the American people, all of them, it is time for Mueller to give an update, even a vague one, on the nature and scope of his investigation. He need not divulge anything that would be harmful to his further investigations but he should give the public something to promote their civil forbearance.

Somewhat difficult to give an update when he probably has nothing to implicate Trump in a "high crime", regardless of the overwhelming desire of all anti Trumpers that there is something.

I say that because if there were something "there" it would have been leaked by now. As it hasn't, I have to assume there is nothing to leak.

[JCauto]

57 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Somewhat difficult to give an update when he probably has nothing to implicate Trump in a "high crime", regardless of the overwhelming desire of all anti Trumpers that there is something.

I say that because if there were something "there" it would have been leaked by now. As it hasn't, I have to assume there is nothing to leak.

Unfortunately for yourself and, more importantly, the Donald, you're not dealing with an amateur here. You're dealing with a former FBI Director and one who made his rep pursuing the Mafia and other organized crime. These are hardened, cold-blooded law enforcement professionals who document all their conversations as a matter of course and who understand all the different aspects of pursuing high profile criminals. They have been compiling evidence for almost two years now, and you can be sure that it's bulletproof.

 

And they're not dumb with respect to the Press. They understand that things are building to a crescendo and the mob is baying for them to present their evidence. And look what happened this morning! James Comey's book comes out. You must be very proud of your support for this human bag of slime. It will be such a pleasure watching these clowns go down.

[Andaman Al]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Somewhat difficult to give an update when he probably has nothing to implicate Trump in a "high crime", regardless of the overwhelming desire of all anti Trumpers that there is something.

I say that because if there were something "there" it would have been leaked by now. As it hasn't, I have to assume there is nothing to leak.

What JCauto said 

[attrayant]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Somewhat difficult to give an update when he probably has nothing to implicate Trump in a "high crime"

 

What about a misdemeanor?

 

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I say that because if there were something "there" it would have been leaked by now. 

 

I know you've gotten used to the fact that this is the leakiest White House in history, but the Special Counsel is as tight as a drum.

Edited April 13, 2018 by attrayant

[Jingthing]

The claims of "trump" being clean are really getting pathetic now. He's cornered. He knows it. It's weird that all of his supporters don't seem to know it by now.

[JCauto]

On 4/10/2018 at 12:06 AM, lannarebirth said:

 

I don't know what he may have done but I'm confident Mueller will find it, if it exists.  If they do find something I hope it is something more than his clumsy attempts at obstruction, which to my mind is just Trump being Trump, though most likely unlawful.

    

 

I agree with your assessment. If the end result is only an obstruction charge, then there will be some cause for anger and outrage on the right even though it is certainly breaking the law.

 

But I think we all know that a man who lies as easily as he breathes, who has demonstrated a lifelong disdain for the law, who hangs out with the Mafia and who has used legions of lawyers as another tool to defraud and cheat those with less resources will almost break the law out of habit. His "red line" was pretty much of an admission that any close scrutiny of his life would bring forth a cornucopia of vice, crime and corruption and that's exactly what has happened. I have no fear that there will be a paltry "obstruction of justice" charge and nothing else. 

[lannarebirth]

7 hours ago, JCauto said:

I agree with your assessment. If the end result is only an obstruction charge, then there will be some cause for anger and outrage on the right even though it is certainly breaking the law.

 

But I think we all know that a man who lies as easily as he breathes, who has demonstrated a lifelong disdain for the law, who hangs out with the Mafia and who has used legions of lawyers as another tool to defraud and cheat those with less resources will almost break the law out of habit. His "red line" was pretty much of an admission that any close scrutiny of his life would bring forth a cornucopia of vice, crime and corruption and that's exactly what has happened. I have no fear that there will be a paltry "obstruction of justice" charge and nothing else. 

The irony of this "Russia Investigation" is my gut feeling is that there's probably nothing to tie Trump personally to any kind of collusion to thwart the elective process BUT I can't imagine that there isn't a whole string of offenses from his private life and business dealings. I agree with you 100%. The Teflon Don has got a Dorian Gray like picture hanging in his attic somewhere.

 

I've got a question for those more invested in this than myself. If Trump resigned tomorrow, does the investigation into him personally (not the Russia Collusion aspect) come to an end or does it continue? If it comes to an end, I think that is enough impetus for him to resign in the not too distant future., though I've got that wrong before.

Edited April 14, 2018 by lannarebirth

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Somewhat difficult to give an update when he probably has nothing to implicate Trump in a "high crime", regardless of the overwhelming desire of all anti Trumpers that there is something.

I say that because if there were something "there" it would have been leaked by now. As it hasn't, I have to assume there is nothing to leak.

Let's take a look at what you did here.

 

You first off make a totally unsubstantiated claim (an unfounded guess) that Mueller 'probably has nothing'.

 

You then make a statement that there should have been leaks by now, the basis of your belief why there should have been leaks is anyone's guess.

 

Then you wrap it all up by stating because there have been no leaks there is no evidence. 

 

You went right around in a perfect circle of logical fallacy. 

[SheungWan]

17 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

The irony of this "Russia Investigation" is my gut feeling is that there's probably nothing to tie Trump personally to any kind of collusion to thwart the elective process BUT I can't imagine that there isn't a whole string of offenses from his private life and business dealings. I agree with you 100%. The Teflon Don has got a Dorian Gray like picture hanging in his attic somewhere.

There's no irony and no guts and no picture and no teflon. Just a few Trump supporters spinning this way and that.

[SheungWan]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The claims of "trump" being clean are really getting pathetic now. He's cornered. He knows it. It's weird that all of his supporters don't seem to know it by now.

They know it. They are still 'feeling lucky'. That's the difference.

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

There's no irony and no guts and no picture and no teflon. Just a few Trump supporters spinning this way and that.

The Trump supporters are unlikely to face indictments, disgrace or impeachment. and I doubt they've come around to the establishment view. Better to seek common ground IMO than to vilify.

[SheungWan]

5 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

The Trump supporters are unlikely to face indictments, disgrace or impeachment. and I doubt they've come around to the establishment view. Better to seek common ground IMO than to vilify.

Common ground meaning 'common ground' to get Trump off the hook rather than being impaled on it. So, some supporters now looking for a minor misdemeanor charge to close the book. No sale.

 

[Andaman Al]

38 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

I've got a question for those more invested in this than myself. If Trump resigned tomorrow, does the investigation into him personally (not the Russia Collusion aspect) come to an end or does it continue? 

I can't see how it can come to an end. The Russia investigation has led to the Investigation team being taken down a myriad of paths all leading to strong evidence of "other crime". Will the FBI give up and give a free pass to someone who likely has committed enough financial crime to warrant a matching cell next to Bernie Madoff. Had Trump been quiet, had he been a real American patriot supportive of his law enforcement people perhaps a resignation would have prompted a situation of putting all this at the 'bottom of the in-tray', but Trump's attack on the FBI and it's leadership has been so public and visceral that I am sure the FBI operatives will not stop till they bury the guy with a 100 year sentence - and he will watch his family jailed first.

 

If Trump resigns then there goes his slight chance of being able to pardon himself and his 3 little piggies. Pres Pence will say God has told him not to issue a pardon. Either way I think the Don is screwed. Do i care if it's about Russia -   not in the slightest, he is a loathsome vindictive low life and karma is coming to bite his ass big time.

[lannarebirth]

5 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Common ground meaning 'common ground' to get Trump off the hook rather than being impaled on it. So, some supporters now looking for a minor misdemeanor charge to close the book. No sale.

 

Isn't a misdemeanor still a "high crime or misdemeanor"?  Anyway I haven't read where they were looking for misdemeanor charges.

[lannarebirth]

3 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

I can't see how it can come to an end. The Russia investigation has led to the Investigation team being taken down a myriad of paths all leading to strong evidence of "other crime". Will the FBI give up and give a free pass to someone who likely has committed enough financial crime to warrant a matching cell next to Bernie Madoff. Had Trump been quiet, had he been a real American patriot supportive of his law enforcement people perhaps a resignation would have prompted a situation of putting all this at the 'bottom of the in-tray', but Trump's attack on the FBI and it's leadership has been so public and visceral that I am sure the FBI operatives will not stop till they bury the guy with a 100 year sentence - and he will watch his family jailed first.

 

If Trump resigns then there goes his slight chance of being able to pardon himself and his 3 little piggies. Pres Pence will say God has told him not to issue a pardon. Either way I think the Don is screwed. Do i care if it's about Russia -   not in the slightest, he is a loathsome vindictive low life and karma is coming to bite his ass big time.

 

That sounds about right but wouldn't that cause him to dig in till they drag him out of there in cuffs?

[Andaman Al]

39 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

That sounds about right but wouldn't that cause him to dig in till they drag him out of there in cuffs?

Yup! And that is exactly what he is doing, There is nothing the FBI would love more than to have him televised being taken out in cuffs. Of course with a Trial by Congress/Senate that won't happen. Maybe for the 3 little piggies though.

[Jingthing]

"trump" does the best perp walk. Nobody ever saw a perp walk like that before. The biggest audience for a perp walk ever. Way bigger than Obama's.

 

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[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, Andaman Al said:

Yup! And that is exactly what he is doing, There is nothing the FBI would love more than to have him televised being taken out in cuffs. Of course with a Trial by Congress/Senate that won't happen. Maybe for the 3 little piggies though.

 

Well, that could take a long long time. If he's cornered and he knows it, it is better for the country if they find a way for him to move on willingly. He may not be bright enough to take that if offered though.

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Isn't a misdemeanor still a "high crime or misdemeanor"?  Anyway I haven't read where they were looking for misdemeanor charges.

In other words, on the one hand it would take a "high crime" to be an impeachable offence, but on the other a mere "misdemeanor" would also do the trick? Is that how you interpret the relevant constitutional specification?

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

In other words, on the one hand it would take a "high crime" to be an impeachable offence, but on the other a mere "misdemeanor" would also do the trick? Is that how you interpret the relevant constitutional specification?

A misdemeanor has a different meaning in the law now than it did at the time of the writing of the constitution, so I don't know.  My guess is if there are genuine criminal charges brought that they will not be misdemeanors. Regrdless of all that impeachment is a political process and anything at all can be included in or out if it suits.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

A misdemeanor has a different meaning in the law now than it did at the time of the writing of the constitution, so I don't know.  My guess is if there are genuine criminal charges brought that they will not be misdemeanors. Regrdless of all that impeachment is a political process and anything at all can be included in or out if it suits.

But a misdemeanor never meant anything as grave as a crime. Not now, not back then. The only reasonable interpretation would have the adjective applying to both "crime" and "misdemeanor".

Edited April 14, 2018 by bristolboy

[lannarebirth]

19 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

But a misdemeanor never meant anything as grave as a crime. Not now, not back then. The only reasonable interpretation would have the adjective applying to both "crime" and "misdemeanor".

 

19 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

But a misdemeanor never meant anything as grave as a crime. Not now, not back then. The only reasonable interpretation would have the adjective applying to both "crime" and "misdemeanor".

 

I think both apply in the context of impeachment with respect to how an official discharges their duties. I do not know if crimes committed prior to one holding office apply but I reckon we are about to learn.

[mogandave]

With respect to impeachment, high crimes and misdemeanors are whatever the Congress say they are.


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[selftaopath]

On 4/13/2018 at 9:14 AM, Srikcir said:

Mueller's investigation has not expanded.

His team being FBI investigators detected possible crimes (ie., bank fraud, wire fraud, election fraud) unrelated to the Russian investigation (at least this far - but Cohen as a Subject and likely Target being Trump's personal attorney may also have documentation related to Russian collusion) and referred to the FBI Southern District of New York office for their consideration. The latter are not part of Mueller's investigative team, albeit Mueller does coordinate his investigation with several FBI district offices.

But Trump only sees the FBI as a monolithic "deep-state" organization set on seeing Trump removed.

Anyone who doesn't "step aside" and let Trump and his cabal do whatever they want are perceived enemies. He is the most disgusting excuse for an American President in history. His Republican party is tarnished perhaps beyond repair - just sayin.