Stage being set for ‘neutral’ Prayut to return as the PM

[soalbundy]

On 4/14/2018 at 7:42 AM, HiSoLowSoNoSo said:

Can't find anything neutral in this man.

I was about to say that but differently, neutral my R's

[soalbundy]

Army rules again

[holy cow cm]

8 hours ago, The Theory said:

Communist ? !!!!    Hummmm !!!

I thought it is the other way ! 

It doesn’t matter anyway. It will go to where it suppose to go. 

it will go where it is told to go and no one has any say in the matter if they fear for their life.

[bannork]

4 hours ago, pornprong said:

Past 3 elections?

 

2011: Thaksin wins

2007: Thaksin wins

2006: Thaksin wins

2005: Thaksin wins

2001: Thaksin wins

 

The most interesting result here is the 2005 election. After winning 248 seats to the Democrats 128 in 2001 then becoming the first Thai PM to govern for the full 4 year term, Thaksin went on to the most crushing electoral victory ever seen in Thailand winning 375 seats to the Democrats 76 by gaining the votes of over 14 million Thais compared to the Democrats who won a paltry 4 million.

 

This election was the glaring confirmation that the elites days were numbered; democracy was about to wash them away forever.

 

Those seeking to deny democracy through coups and outsider PM's have forgotten just how little support they truly have and just how united the rest of the nation is against them.

 

Pro-democracy Thais out number anti-democracy Thais by nearly 3 to 1.

 

Only guns and the threat of violence keep the anti-democrats  in the game - clearly an unsustainable foundation.

 

Their defeat is a certainty.

 

I think you've got a few too many elections there, one per year! It's worth mentioning that after The Democrats dislosed of the dull Banyat, they bounced back in the 2011 election so thei

[Somchai Logic]

On 4/14/2018 at 8:20 AM, Darcula said:

 

To return, he has to go away first.

Oh if only ha ha ha 

Look at the Smug TW#T 

[Megasin1]

21 hours ago, yellowboat said:

I am always curious how history goes unreferenced and how Liberty has somehow become so passé, especially amongst westerners living in Thailand. 

An interesting insight Obi one, if you look at Thai history they tend to favour whom they consider to be the strongest in their region at given times and they haven't always been right, the Japanese was a bit of a poor choice, however as China is becoming the dominant economy in the region they are drawn like a small iron filing to a magnet, which of course, will put them in opposition to the Americans.

Maybe I am more cynical in my old age, however a few years ago I asked my then wife to help teach me Thai and her answer was, "Why do you want to learn Thai ? Thai is for Thais, not for you."

This came as a sobering response, as she was no poor villager, she is what we would describe as educated upper middle class, and I think now as I look back that perhaps we in the west are a lot more stupid than Asians, especially those of us that run about teaching them English.

I have never really believed that knowledge is power, or that anything good has ever come from communism (well certainly not for the poor proletariat), however this seems to be a repeat of a much repeated circle within the world and perhaps we should adopt this same policy that says no, I'm sorry but this is ours, bad luck, move along.....so do Thai politics and who runs the country really make a great difference to the world stage? well, not really, not unless your entire stage is a small house or condo on the dark side and you have invested all your savings here...which lets face it, was a silly thing to do.

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

I think you've got a few too many elections there, one per year! It's worth mentioning that after The Democrats dislosed of the dull Banyat, they bounced back in the 2011 election so thei

I think you have no idea what you're talking about.

It is a matter of fact how many elections there has been and when they occurred.

I have the number of elections spot on (if anything, I'm one short...Feb 2014).

 

The Democrats got trounced in 2011 by Yingluck.

If you think the slight uptick in Democrat support is something to crow about, perhaps you should take minute to consider how it was achieved.

 

2006 military coup

2007 constitution made less democratic by 2006 Junta

2008 ongoing PAD yellow shirt street protests

2008 judicial coup removing PM Samak

2008 dissolution of Peoples Power party by the elite controlled Constitutional Court

2008 banning of PM Somchai from politics

2008 military backroom strong-arming of politicians to achieve a parliamentary coup making Abhisit PM

2010 military crackdown resulting in 100 shot dead in the street

2010 Abhist government amendments making the 2007 Junta constitution even less democratic

 

All of this, and the Dems still got thumped in 2011.

Prepare yourself, it's going to happen again in 2018.

 

So there!

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[bannork]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

I think you have no idea what you're talking about.

It is a matter of fact how many elections there has been and when they occurred.

I have the number of elections spot on (if anything, I'm one short...Feb 2014).

 

The Democrats got trounced in 2011 by Yingluck.

If you think the slight uptick in Democrat support is something to crow about, perhaps you should take minute to consider how it was achieved.

 

2006 military coup

2007 constitution made less democratic by 2006 Junta

2008 ongoing PAD yellow shirt street protests

2008 judicial coup removing PM Samak

2008 dissolution of Peoples Power party by the elite controlled Constitutional Court

2008 banning of PM Somchai from politics

2008 military backroom strong-arming of politicians to achieve a parliamentary coup making Abhisit PM

2010 military crackdown resulting in 100 shot dead in the street

2010 Abhist government amendments making the 2007 Junta constitution even less democratic

 

All of this, and the Dems still got thumped in 2011.

Prepare yourself, it's going to happen again in 2018.

 

So there!

In 2011 The Democrats got 35% of the popular vote compared to PT 48%. Now there is no Yingluk or populist policies unless the funding of said policies is made clear. I think the Democrats need a new leader, supachai perhaps but he is politically naive, Jurin Laksnavisit would be a better bet. New Future with Thanathon look promising but Pheua Th cannot escApe the label of a party owned  by one family and as such having nothing democratic about them.

Apologies for typos, a lousy tablet from Samsung.ake the I

[cornishcarlos]

On 14/04/2018 at 8:22 AM, Crossy said:

Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'neutral' that I wasn't previously aware of.

 

RIP Douglas Adams

 

Neutral... Neither forward nor reverse ie going nowhere, stagnant, in limbo, shafted etc etc :)

[Sir Dude]

I would hardly describe Prayut as a "neutral". What have they been smoking? 

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

In 2011 The Democrats got 35% of the popular vote compared to PT 48%. Now there is no Yingluk or populist policies unless the funding of said policies is made clear. I think the Democrats need a new leader, supachai perhaps but he is politically naive, Jurin Laksnavisit would be a better bet. New Future with Thanathon look promising but Pheua Th cannot escApe the label of a party owned  by one family and as such having nothing democratic about them.

Apologies for typos, a lousy tablet from Samsung.ake the I

There is still a Yingluck, she may not be in the PM or in Thailand but she is still the most popular Thai politician and her backing will carry great weight in the next election.

 

There are probably more populist policies (and corruption) now than there were under Yingluck, Abhisit or Thaksin. The Junta started their illegal reign by paying for free nationwide broadcasting of the FIFA world cup and have ramped it up every year since then going so far as to hire Thaksin's ex finance minister Somkid.

 

Have you not heard of the Thai Niyom Yangyuen  program?

 

https://www.cogitasia.com/will-the-thai-militarys-populist-agenda-work/

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-11/thai-junta-takes-page-from-thaksin-playbook-with-populist-steps

 

Fantastic that you have views and opinions as to who Thailand needs guiding the country.....don't you think the Thai people should also be allowed to have and express their own views and opinions and also the right to cast their votes on the matter?

[Media1]

On 14/04/2018 at 7:34 AM, Thailand said:

Other parties have confirmed that in true Thai tradition - "we can be bought".

PARASITES

[Media1]

8 minutes ago, pornprong said:

There is still a Yingluck, she may not be in the PM or in Thailand but she is still the most popular Thai politician and her backing will carry great weight in the next election.

 

There are probably more populist policies (and corruption) now than there were under Yingluck, Abhisit or Thaksin. The Junta started their illegal reign by paying for free nationwide broadcasting of the FIFA world cup and have ramped it up every year since then going so far as to hire Thaksin's ex finance minister Somkid.

 

Have you not heard of the Thai Niyom Yangyuen  program?

 

https://www.cogitasia.com/will-the-thai-militarys-populist-agenda-work/

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-11/thai-junta-takes-page-from-thaksin-playbook-with-populist-steps

 

Fantastic that you have views and opinions as to who Thailand needs guiding the country.....don't you think the Thai people should also be allowed to have and express their own views and opinions and also the right to cast their votes on the matter?

Yes agreed 

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

23 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

The "headmaster" is actually stealing from the shop, and so are his friends, and have been for decades. They just don't like it when anyone else steals from the shop. The latter is corruption, the former is merely Thainess.

Good point.

Trouble here is who is NOT corrupt?

[dickjones2018]

and what if it is someone else that gets elected? there is always... A COUP ....A WAAAAAAAY

[Srikcir]

5 minutes ago, dickjones2018 said:

and what if it is someone else that gets elected? there is always... A COUP ....A WAAAAAAAY

Prayut et all made such action unnecessary.

Until the new government (PM and Cabinet) has been "officially" endorsed (which requires Prayut's recommendation), NCPO Chief Prayut holds in accordance to the junta-drafted and referendum-approved constitution absolute power to deny any elected or appointed official from taking office, ie., for the sake of national security and/or potential conflict and/or sedition and/or whatever (ie., suspicion of corruption). In essence Prayut's coup ends when he says it's ended.

[boomerangutang]

I read the title, and regurgitated some of my breakfast.  Good thing I live alone.  I wiped it off the keyboard.   On second thought, is Prayut worse than a Shinawatre?  Debatable.  

 

The only two decent PM's in the past 22 years have been Chuan and Abhisit.  All the rest, I wouldn't trust to walk my dogs around the block.

[HooHaa]

This is hardly news, this has been obvious since the implementation of the shonky new constitution, and stacking of the senate which was one of the juntas very first political moves. 

 

This has been in play since the beginning. The junta has embedded itself and will not be letting go of power.

[HooHaa]

24 minutes ago, dickjones2018 said:

and what if it is someone else that gets elected? there is always... A COUP ....A WAAAAAAAY

It is almost impossible for someone else to get elected.

 

A coup would be totally unnecessary.  A fragmented house and a stacked senate will ensure that.

 

As if that werent enough the junta retains de facto veto power against anyone they dont like.

 

The die has been cast as they say.

[maxcorrigan]

I wonder if when he surely is resurrected as a neutral prime minister,  will he keep his blanket amnesty intact?

Sorry if this has been posted before, there  to many answers too scroll through!

[janclaes47]

On 14/04/2018 at 7:14 AM, rooster59 said:

Stage being set for ‘neutral’ Prayut

 

I would have preferred to read a neutered Prayut, hope they fix that before it's too late.

Edited April 16, 2018 by janclaes47

[Eligius]

50 minutes ago, HooHaa said:

It is almost impossible for someone else to get elected.

 

A coup would be totally unnecessary.  A fragmented house and a stacked senate will ensure that.

 

As if that werent enough the junta retains de facto veto power against anyone they dont like.

 

The die has been cast as they say.

You are so right. This is why I keep saying (but some people still don't get it) that there is NO HOPE for Thailand along the 'parliamentary', fake-electionary route now - everything is totally stitched up in the authoritarian Controllers' favour. 

 

Only MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE (and I mean TENS OF MILLIONS of Thais) can cut out the cancer that has spread across this nation - a cancer which over 60 million Thais, with their passive acceptance of it, year upon year upon year, have allowed to grow. So there is more chance of a snowball surviving the fires of hell than  MILLIONS of Thais rising up in defiance of the Powers That Should NEVER Be. The Thais never have risen up in their millions, and they never will. It just ain't going to happen.

 

So: things are not going to get better than this - but they might get a lot worse ('power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely' ....).

 

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Eligius

[hathairat2711]

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By Anna Fifield April 15 at 6:15 PM Email the author

BANGKOK — After he took off his army general’s uniform and put on a prime ministerial suit in 2014, Thai junta leader Prayuth Chan-ocha pledged to lead the country back to democracy, although he said it would be “Thai-style democracy.”

 

Four years on, it appears that “Thai-style democracy” means holding an election that returns Prayuth as leader, whether as prime minister or behind the scenes, even as he suggests he has no such plans.

 

“Why should I stay on in power for another 20 years?” Prayuth said in a speech at a university in Bangkok last week, referring to a 20-year strategic policymaking plan his junta has adopted. “I am 60 now, and that’s already old. I need to rest.”  

[boomerangutang]

2 hours ago, Eligius said:

You are so right. This is why I keep saying (but some people still don't get it) that there is NO HOPE for Thailand along the 'parliamentary', fake-electionary route now - everything is totally stitched up in the authoritarian Controllers' favour. 

Only MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE (and I mean TENS OF MILLIONS of Thais) can cut out the cancer that has spread across this nation - a cancer which over 60 million Thais, with their passive acceptance of it, year upon year upon year, have allowed to grow. So there is more chance of a snowball surviving the fires of hell than  MILLIONS of Thais rising up in defiance of the Powers That Should NEVER Be. The Thais never have risen up in their millions, and they never will. It just ain't going to happen. So: things are not going to get better than this - but they might get a lot worse ('power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely' ....).

There's a reason coup d'etats are orchestrated by military brass.  They're the guys who control the most weapons and the sheeple young men who wield those weapons. 

 

It's not cobblers or masseuses who enact coup d'etats.

 

Prayut changed his medallion-encrusted military clothes for a business suit and, ...voila, he instantly became 'the voice of the people',  ...the peoples' choice.  

 

He knows where power comes from in Thailand (the business end of a rifle) and he won't be shy about using it to maintain his grip on power, if he decides that's what's needed.  After all, in his words, he knows what's best for the Thai people, and they should all know what's/who's best for them. .....or else.... 

 

 

[Eligius]

And what will the Thais do when the inevitable happens and Prayut or similar (representative of the power-elite) is put into place after a totally un-free and un-fair, rigged 'election'? In 2010, the Red Shirts massed in tens of thousands in Bangkok against the Government. Prayut's army shot over 90 of them. The Red Shirts dispersed and have never re-grouped since (as one hot Red Shirt told me two years ago in response to my question as to whether they were secretly organising: 'No! It is not allowed'!!!!!!!). The coup happened after that mass opposition of 2010 - but where are the MILLIONS of Thais taking to the streets today, backing the brave students who dare to speak out, or the marchers for liberty and democracy? WHERE ARE THE THAIS DEMANDING TO TAKE BACK THEIR OWN NATION?

 

So the junta and their inhuman controllers know that they can get away with murder (they do so - routinely). For them, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. They know the Thai populace is en masse going to take whatever is foisted upon them.

 

Game set and match. The faux-elite have got the Thai populace where they have always wanted them to be (in utter servitude and brainless slavery) - and the Thai populace embrace that slavery with a wai and a fake smile.

 

It's all over. Can't people see that?! Until the Thais GROW A PAIR - they (and we) must get used to living in a dinosaurian (you know what I mean) autocratic state. 

 

Simple as that. 

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Eligius

[chama]

On 4/13/2018 at 8:33 PM, Thechook said:

Was there ever any doubt with the way it has been set up.  Then there's section 44 he has to squash opponents and other parties are still prohibited from meeting to organise their campaign.  It's a one horse race as all the others have been knackered.

He deserves credit for kidnapping a country. This would make him a villain of the highest level. It seems his delays and carefully orchestrated placement of friends and cronies are all following a well designed plan to enslave the Thai people and force them to accept his political philosophy and policies. However, if he doesn't get this plan into place soon there will be enough push back that the whole thing collapses on top of him as the Thai people loose their patience and push him out. and although he is from the military there are always those who aspire to control the country and they could lead a counter junta if he does not consolidate his approval on a wide stage.