Starbucks CEO says arrests of two black men 'reprehensible'

[Stargeezr]

I agree if these two guys were white the racist manager would not have done a

thing. Racism is still very ,much alive , especially in the Eastern USA..Shameful.

 

Geezer

[mikebike]

From Time magazine:

 

It’s not always clear whether sitting in a Starbucks or using a Starbucks restroom without purchasing any items is allowed. A company spokesperson said Starbucks does not have a broad policy prohibiting people from using restrooms or sitting inside for free, allowing individual stores to set their own rules.

[Opl]

4 hours ago, samran said:

No, Starbucks are study halls, and start up incubators where they allow one person to buy a skinny full fat grande venti double whipped crappochino soy latte, and then proceeds to drink it slower than the rate of evaporation while they lay out their crap on a four top table and work the entire day. 

 

These blokes were waiting for 15 minutes as they were going to sit down and have a business meeting there, at which point they probably would have bought something had they had a chance. 

 

No differnet to me sitting in an upmarket cafe here in Bangkok last weekend waiting for a friend as his kid to turn up. I reckon I waited there 20 minutes refusing to order something until my friend turned up....you know cause I consider that good manners. Perhaps these bloke thought the same.

 

 “ We are not in the coffee business serving people, we are in the people business serving coffee"

"So the next time you walk into Starbucks you can feel better knowing that though the lattes may be expensive, that feeling of belonging is priceless. "

https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/mind-over-meal-third-place-and-real-value-starbucks

Edited April 18, 2018 by Opl

[samran]

7 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

 “ We are not in the coffee business serving people, we are in the people business serving coffee"

"So the next time you walk into Starbucks you can feel better knowing that though the lattes may be expensive, that feeling of belonging is priceless. "

https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/mind-over-meal-third-place-and-real-value-starbucks

I didn’t realise being in the ‘people business’ involved arresting two people while waiting for a colleague to turn up before the ordered (who did by the way, just as these guys were being hauled off). 

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

If there is an individual Uptight snooty white manager who is unfair it is a personnel issue not a company wide problem. No reason to call out the protest “rent a mob”.

 

From my experience in the past years Starbucks was too liberal with their policies allowing extremely foul smell homeless to loiter for hours. Then some stores had to have posted reasonable policies (in University areas) for students at night ‘cuz it is actually a store, not a free study hall!

Stores are private property you have to leave when asked. This is just like the man “beaten by United”. The police arrested then no order was given by Starbucks to cuff and stuff anybody.

 

 

 

 

 

[LammyTS1]

Jesus wept.

 

Whether these 2 guys were black/white, gay/straight, Muslim/Christian, disabled/able bodied, when you enter business premises, its to do business!

 

Personally, I would be embarrassed to sit there without buying anything but some people are different.

 

Non story. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by LammyTS1

[kannot]

20 hours ago, bristolboy said:

The question is would they have called the police on 2 white men who said they were waiting for a 3rd party to show up?

and his  dog

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

Then you should ask if the theoretical two white men would have left private propert when asked by the management or would they have remained, intransigent. Somehow feeling empowered to stage an impromtu civil rights protest 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Then you should ask if the theoretical two white men would have left private propert when asked by the management or would they have remained, intransigent. Somehow feeling empowered to stage an impromtu civil rights protest 

They wouldn't have been asked in the same situation.

Anyone that doesn't clearly see that is being disingenuous.

 

Next ... 

[Chomper Higgot]

52 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Then you should ask if the theoretical two white men would have left private propert when asked by the management or would they have remained, intransigent. Somehow feeling empowered to stage an impromtu civil rights protest 

Your sense of hurt and injustice as you imagine this scenario is palpable.

 

Calm down and drink less coffee.

[Opl]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your sense of hurt and injustice as you imagine this scenario is palpable.

 

Calm down and drink less coffee.

Ok, at least they did not protest while handcuffed which allowed them to stay alive... so all is fine in the end.. maybe just a police record for being arrested during 9 hours .. and finally not charged by Starbucks, for there was no crime,  what an adventurous life they must enjoy.. just waiting for a friend

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Opl said:

Ok, at least they did not protest while handcuffed which allowed them to stay alive... so all is fine in the end.. maybe just a police record for being arrested during 9 hours .. and finally not charged by Starbucks, for there was no crime,  what an adventurous life they must enjoy.. just waiting for a friend

Your own life should be as adventurous. It might teach you a thing or two.

[morrobay]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

They wouldn't have been asked in the same situation.

Anyone that doesn't clearly see that is being disingenuous.

 

Next ... 

I would say your statement is the opposite of disingenuous.Ie pretending to know more than you really do. 

[FitnessHealthTravel]

So if you are black or any colour you can go into a Starbucks and sit there, not order, just hang and when asked to leave refuse...and that's okay?  It seems the RACE card gets played all the time there, it's actually amazing to see how <deleted> up the US is from all colours.

[Opl]

2 hours ago, FitnessHealthTravel said:

So if you are black or any colour you can go into a Starbucks and sit there, not order, just hang and when asked to leave refuse...and that's okay?  It seems the RACE card gets played all the time there, it's actually amazing to see how <deleted> up the US is from all colours.

 

Well it's just really hard to understand why  on earth Starbucks CEO felt he has to apologize at all, close all Starbucks coffee shops 1 day for training against "unconscious bias"  

[phil2407]

If you go into a place and sit down without buying anything- you deserve to be arrested - you can try the old “waiting for a friend” but after so long the manager has the right to ask you buy or leave - I don’t care if you’re black, white, Mr Blobby - they can get done for trespassing- maybe not the right law but the law 

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

They wouldn't have been asked in the same situation.

Anyone that doesn't clearly see that is being disingenuous.

 

Next ... 

If the "theoretical two white customers" were  asked to leave and then confronted by police remained intransigent they too would have been arrested. It happens all the time but then it would be a no news issues because there is would be no fodder for the rent-a-mob and the race baiters in the media.

There may have been racial bias component in the managers initial actions (a one off personnel issue)  but how much do we really know what other behaviors were seen? When I was a "white" teenager in America I was frequently harassed by shop owners for browsing, asked to pre-pay for restaurant meals, and threatened with arrest for not paying for another breakfast buffet at Bob's Big Boy when my coffee only girlfriend was seen filching ONE SLICE OF BACON off my plate by the uptight white manager.

All the things blacks claim is racism. Teenagers are know to shoplift, commit crimes and disturbances and skip out on meals. I have also been fairly recently stopped and confronted by police in a California suburban area just for walking at night. You see the difference is I comply with lawful requests and police instructions. I do not engage in impromptu ACLU protests and civil disobediences. I don't start street hassles  and block roads, causing traffic jams and accidents. No arguing with the cops either and I always follow their instructions as it is a matter of my life and death.  No Problems, No shootings, No arrests. People need to man up and stop promoting race division and using fantastical no problems as a crutch for everything. Almost every interaction I have in Thailand is dominated by (Thai) racism and bigotry it is not driving me away anywhere is it?

Edited April 18, 2018 by ChiangMaiLightning2143

[Opl]

13 minutes ago, phil2407 said:

If you go into a place and sit down without buying anything- you deserve to be arrested - you can try the old “waiting for a friend” but after so long the manager has the right to ask you buy or leave - I don’t care if you’re black, white, Mr Blobby - they can get done for trespassing- maybe not the right law but the law 

I happen to wait for friends in a restaurant, I never order before they arrive, I've never been asked to leave the place, and when finally friends arrive been escorted handcuffed by the police.  detained for 9 hours, it's a joke..... I mean an "experience" .. that's what they sell.  

Edited April 18, 2018 by Opl

[Jingthing]

32 minutes ago, FitnessHealthTravel said:

So if you are black or any colour you can go into a Starbucks and sit there, not order, just hang and when asked to leave refuse...and that's okay?  It seems the RACE card gets played all the time there, it's actually amazing to see how f**ked up the US is from all colours.

My feeling based on your post is that you have no clue about the reality of the black experience in America. I'm no expert either as I'm not black, but at least I have a CLUE. 

[Baerboxer]

20 hours ago, i claudius said:

To be honest the whole thing stinks .seems like it was set up the more i read about it.

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

Interesting comment. It is a distinct possibility that this was engineered and got the expected response from that particular shop manager. Maybe been quick on asking non purchasing seat occupiers to leave and upset some African-Americans who took it as racially motivated. 

 

 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

I happen to wait for friends in a restaurant, I never order before they arrive, I've never been asked to leave the place, and when finally friends arrive been escorted handcuffed by the police.  detained for 9 hours, it's a joke..... I mean an "experience" .. that's what they sell.  

 

Admittedly, a restaurant has a different dynamic than a coffee shop.  You can start on a water or your coffee before your friends show up and nobody's upset.  Start eating your pasta before your friends show up and it's not so cool.  Personally, I always order an iced tea when I'm waiting on friends in a restaurant.

 

On the 9 hours, that's not on Starbucks.  That's on law enforcement and the criminal justice system.  The 2 guys were trespassing and refused to to buy something or leave.  Starbucks called the cops.  That's what you do.  After that, it was out of their hands.

 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Interesting comment. It is a distinct possibility that this was engineered and got the expected response from that particular shop manager. Maybe been quick on asking non purchasing seat occupiers to leave and upset some African-Americans who took it as racially motivated. 

 

 

Cynical conspiracy theory.

They indeed had a good reason to be waiting there. It would have worked for white people. Most Americans get that. 

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Interesting comment. It is a distinct possibility that this was engineered and got the expected response from that particular shop manager. Maybe been quick on asking non purchasing seat occupiers to leave and upset some African-Americans who took it as racially motivated. 

 

I'm not a crusader at all, but if I smelled even a remote possibility of a multi-million dollar lawsuit and payout, I may have gone downtown, too.  They may have been innocent all along, or may have been innocent until they smelled money, or they may have pre-planned the entire episode.  It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

My feeling based on your post is that you have no clue about the reality of the black experience in America. I'm no expert either as I'm not black, but at least I have a CLUE. 

 

"All white males must be bad." And those who seem to want to express that, albeit without saying so bluntly,  are often actually more racist, more inclined to play the race card over any perceived insensitivity and seem to demand they are allowed to behave however they see fit.

 

There are racist, prejudiced, bigoted, hateful individuals in all races, religions, belief systems, and sexes. Suggesting someone doesn't have a clue because only a black or other minority really knows is patronizing. Suggesting someone doesn't have a clue because their view if different to yours demonstrates an intolerance that often fuels prejudice.

 

Why on earth should people be allowed to sit in a coffee shop and refuse to buy something or leave? Do you consider a coffee shop to be a public space?

 

 

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Cynical conspiracy theory.

They indeed had a good reason to be waiting there. It would have worked for white people. Most Americans get that. 

 

So you are saying there is proof that white Americans are allowed to sit in that branch and can sit waiting for someone before ordering anything for as long as they want?

 

The minority card, the persecuted minority, is played quite often now. In some cases justified but in others, a convenient excuse. 

 

Don't know enough about the circumstances in this case so shouldn't jump to conclusions based on prejudice and bias.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

"All white males must be bad." And those who seem to want to express that, albeit without saying so bluntly,  are often actually more racist, more inclined to play the race card over any perceived insensitivity and seem to demand they are allowed to behave however they see fit.

 

There are racist, prejudiced, bigoted, hateful individuals in all races, religions, belief systems, and sexes. Suggesting someone doesn't have a clue because only a black or other minority really knows is patronizing. Suggesting someone doesn't have a clue because their view if different to yours demonstrates an intolerance that often fuels prejudice.

 

Why on earth should people be allowed to sit in a coffee shop and refuse to buy something or leave? Do you consider a coffee shop to be a public space?

 

 

Too bad. My post stands. You're expressing the divisive politics of white resentment which has been so destructive in recent times. 

[impulse]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Too bad. My post stands. You're expressing the divisive politics of white resentment which has been so destructive in recent times. 

 

I'd say that's like the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't think that expression is allowed any more.

 

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Too bad. My post stands. You're expressing the divisive politics of white resentment which has been so destructive in recent times. 

 

And your're expressing the divisive politics of "we've been persecuted and therefore must be treated better to make up for the past' that so many now use as an excuse to absolve themselves of anything.

 

The arrogance and prejudiced bias that feeds the very divisiveness that they're supposed to be objecting to. How ironic.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

I'd say that's like the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't think that expression is allowed any more.

 

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. The bias most black Americans experience, often daily, is a very real thing. There is no equivalent to that for the vast majority of white Americans.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And your're expressing the divisive politics of "we've been persecuted and therefore must be treated better to make up for the past' that so many now use as an excuse to absolve themselves of anything.

 

The arrogance and prejudiced bias that feeds the very divisiveness that they're supposed to be objecting to. How ironic.

No I am not.

Again with the toxic white resentment. It stinks of a total lack of awareness.

Why black parents, the good ones anyway, feel the need to give their kids instructions on how to respond to being stopped by police to minimize their chances of being shot dead.

The way black people often feel they need to perform much better than their white counterparts to receive the same advancement. 

White people have been born with a massive amount of unearned explicit privilege. It's lesser now but not gone. The white resentment crowd can't even tolerate that it's somewhat lesser.