Straight men have a lot of gay sex, study shows

[thaicurious]

On 4/14/2019 at 10:43 AM, PingRoundTheWorld said:

And this is how HIV actually spreads to "straight" males, and potentially to women from them.

While outside of, what, a blood fetish, unprotected anal sex is likely the most risky sexual behavior for HIV transmission,  heterosexuals certainly do enough passing it around amongst themselves about which you conveniently failed to mention.

 

Never mind that I'd imagine most str8/gay encounters involve relatively safer quicky blowjobs and not so much your bug chasing fantasy of infected gay penile insertions into as yet uninfected str8 anus. Because, as you know, it's usually only the fresh str8 ass seeking out that.

 

So I guess probably the same rules apply to everyone as to safer sex. Unprotected is unprotected regardless of gender or orientation or drunken convenience, making your point entirely moot if not simply disgusting.

 

How new is this transmission realization?

 

First, let's see who's doing all the anal sex

 

(1991)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2059146

"...the misconception that anal sex is a homosexual male practice, not heterosexual. Review of surveys of sexual practices suggest that heterosexual anal intercourse is far more common than generally realized...

 

...Considerably more heterosexuals engage in the act than do homosexual and bisexual men, not all of whom participate in anal coitus. Anal intercourse carries an AIDS risk for women greater than that for vaginal coitus..."

 

Now let's see if we can find some numbers to do a little math.

 

*https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/09/study-polls-may-underestimate-anti-gay-sentiment-and-size-of-gay-lesbian-population/

"self-reports of non-heterosexual identity amounted to 19% of those surveyed using the Veiled Report methods"

 

Okay, so about 80% of the population is pretty much str8. Now let's examine under microscope what they do in bed to each other.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4949144/

"Prevalence and Correlates of Heterosexual Anal Intercourse among Men and Women...

 

...Heterosexual anal intercourse (HAI) is not an uncommon behavior and it confers a higher risk of HIV transmission than vaginal intercourse....

 

...Thirty percent of women and 35% of men reported HAI in the past year.

 

...Heterosexual anal intercourse (HAI) is not an uncommon behavior with 36% of women and 44% of men 25–44 years old in the United States reporting ever having HAI in their lifetime (1). There is evidence that the prevalence of HAI may be increasing in recent years, which may be due to a true increase in the behavior over time or heterosexuals becoming more comfortable reporting the behavior..."

 

How about gay people, what do they do in bed?

 

https://www.gq.com/story/the-biggest-myth-about-gay-sex

"according to a 2011 study of 25,000 men who have sex with men published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, less then 40 percent of respondents reported in engaging in anal sex with their last sexual partner."

 

Oh, so about the same percent as str8 anal sex people. 

 

Now let's look at the numbers and see if they stack up to your hardly at all prejudiced theory of HIV transmission.

 

in a world of 100 people, 80 percent str8, 20 percent not str8. Not all of those gay, of course, as some are lesbian, some trans, some asexual, etc, but let's just call them gay for this example.

 

80/20. Even if just 33%--the number's likely higher--of str8s engage in it while 40% (by above study) of gays are into it here's how that works out:

 

33 percent of 80 = about 26

40 percent of 20 = about 8

 

Oh, so there's at least 3.25 TIMES MORE STR8 ANAL SEX GOING ON IN THE WORLD THAN GAY ANAL SEX. YOU WIN!!!

 

3.25 times more prevalent in the world by the Heteros. So what makes you think their new transmissions are coming from the gay world? Because by those numbers it seems they're doing enough potentially more dangerous sex just to keep it going within themselves.

 

Let's look further how str8s spread HIV among themselves, all by themselves...

 

For how long has this been known?

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8420583

1993 Jan;4(1):63-72.

 

AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa: the epidemiology of heterosexual transmission

 

...HIV has been transmitted in 80% of cases as a result of heterosexual activity; perinatal and blood transfusions each account for about 10% of cases..."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/factsheets/todaysepidemic-508.pdf

2016...

 

Heterosexuals accounted for 25 percent of estimated new HIV infections in 2010 (12,100). About two thirds (66 percent) of those infected through heterosexual sex were women....

 

People who inject drugs: In 2010, PWIDs represented eight percent of new HIV infections and 14 percent of people currently living with HIV....

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2014/07/10/330217262/why-hiv-spreads-less-easily-in-heterosexual-couples

"A woman is twice as likely to catch the virus from an infected partner in a heterosexual relationship than a man is....

 

Now scientists at Microsoft Research and the Zambia-Emory HIV Project have a clue about why these disparities exist.

Only the strongest, most evolutionary "fit" versions of the virus tend to infect a man when he has sex with an HIV-positive woman...

 

...particular versions of the virus, with particular DNA sequences, are most likely to pass from a woman to a man...

 

...They found that viruses in newly infected men were more "fit" than the viruses in newly infected women. But when men had genital ulcers or inflammation, they were also infected with less fit versions of the virus....

 

Further

https://hivselftest.co.uk/blogs/news/37867781-hiv-its-not-just-about-gay-men

"...In the UK alone, according to the Public Health England, HIV in the UK 2014 report  there are approximately 60,000 heterosexual people living with HIV, compared with 43,500 men who have sex with men (MSM).

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6195215/

Risk of HIV transmission was greatest for blood transfusion, followed by vertical exposure, sexual exposures, and other parenteral exposures. Sexual exposure risks ranged from low for oral sex to 138 infections per 10 000 exposures for receptive anal intercourse. Estimated risks of HIV acquisition from sexual exposure were attenuated by 99.2% with the dual use of condoms and antiretroviral treatment of the HIV-infected partner.

 

https://europepmc.org/abstract/med/29973010

To analysis the epidemiological data of male HIV/AIDS by sexual transmission reported in Shandong Province from 1997 to 2016. Results: A total of 8 584 HIV/AIDS were reported by heterosexual transmission or homosexual transmission from 2007 to 2016. 2 421 cases were reported by heterosexual transmission and 6 163 cases were reported by homosexual transmission.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21062593

Over the 6 years there were 33 681 HIV tests performed on men, of which 17 958 tests were for heterosexual men. From these heterosexual men, nine tested positive for the first time at MSHC (0.05%, 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.01%, 0.09%). These nine cases included six men who had had sex with a female partner from the following countries: Thailand, Cambodia, China, East Timor, Botswana and South Africa. Two men had injected drugs and one had a HIV-positive female partner.

 

https://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/hiv-and-heterosexual-intercourse

Because you ask specifically about sex between a male and a female, here’s a breakdown of the possible ways transmission could occur:

A male is at risk of contracting HIV if his urethra, open sores on his genitals, or open cuts around his mouth come into contact with:

Infected vaginal fluid (through vaginal or oral sex)

Infected menstrual blood (through vaginal or oral sex)

Infected rectal secretions from a woman’s anus (through anal sex or oral/anal contact)

 

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html

2017

New HIV Diagnoses in the US

Black Women Heterosexual Contact 4,008

Black Men Heterosexual Contact 1,717

Hispanic Women Heterosexual Contact 1,058

White Women Heteroseuxal Contact 999

 

https://www.verywellhealth.com/can-i-get-hiv-from-vaginal-sex-49450

Through the male is at somewhat less risk for HIV than his female sexual partner, HIV can enter either through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or through small cuts or open sores on the penis.

 

Additionally, men who are uncircumcised tend to be more vulnerable to HIV than men who are circumcised. The bacterial population that exists beneath a foreskin can thrive due to the moist environment. The immune system naturally responds by triggering a modest immune defense to keep an infection at bay. Again, ironically, CD4 cells can be called to the front lines of defense, making transmission all the easier.

 

Sexually transmitted diseases work more or less in the same way. Beyond open ulcerative sores that can facilitate an easy route into the bloodstreams (from STDs like syphilis or herpes simplex), other infections spur a localized immune response, exponentially increasing the likelihood of HIV transmission

 

Finally

 

http://www.aidsmap.com/One-in-five-heterosexual-men-in-the-UK-caught-their-HIV-from-another-man/page/3119114/

"A genetic analysis of a large database of people with HIV in the UK in care shows that 18% of men with HIV who claim to be exclusively heterosexual in fact belong to clusters of linked infections that consist only of men.

 

This provides a minimum figure for the proportion of men with HIV in the UK who are what the researchers call “undisclosed men who have sex with men..."

 

Now that last one is real interesting because it shows one in five HIV hetero men got it from another man.

 

In other words 4/5ths of them got HIV HETEROSEXUALLY. NOT FROM GAY MEN.

 

So, um, gay men are not the cause of your problems. Stop scapegoating us. You are the cause of your problems. Start learning, thinking, acting and talking responsibly please.

 

Thank you. QED

[taiwanatoa]

 
Nobody said that.
 
Nature/evolution created sex as a means of reproduction.
 
Does not mean anyone is saying you shouldn't do anything. People really are too sensitive.

You clearly have some kind of problem.
I have never bought into all of this gay or " straight " crap ( and now so many fools are calling THEMSELVES queer. hilarious).
I have taste for cute guys.
Sex is sex. Some people really want to produce children.
Most people have sex for enjoyment or love. Apparently more than a few people ( wink wink) try really really hard NOT to have children.
Obviously, homosexuality doesn't create babies.
You should try to work out your problem with a professional, not here.
I don't need to waste my time on
it. It's not even worth discussion.
Get over it, finally!

[flyingfox1]

This is a rediculas story, why publish this as it’s impossible to be straight and same sex - crazy


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[Pilotman]

BS !!

[Pilotman]

On 4/23/2019 at 5:18 PM, taiwanatoa said:

 

You clearly have some kind of problem.
I have never bought into all of this gay or " straight " crap ( and now so many fools are calling THEMSELVES queer. hilarious).
I have taste for cute guys.
Sex is sex. Some people really want to produce children.
Most people have sex for enjoyment or love. Apparently more than a few people ( wink wink) try really really hard NOT to have children.
Obviously, homosexuality doesn't create babies.
You should try to work out your problem with a professional, not here.
I don't need to waste my time on
it. It's not even worth discussion.
Get over it, finally!

 

Utter nonsense. 

[onthemoon]

14 minutes ago, flyingfox1 said:

This is a rediculas story, why publish this as it’s impossible to be straight and same sex - crazy


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LOL! And it is impossible for gay people to have straight sex, right?

 

You are amusing. ????

[ivor bigun]

LOL! And it is impossible for gay people to have straight sex, right?
 
You are amusing. [emoji846]

Then they are not completely gay,but bisexual,when i worked in London in the 70s i knew a guy like that,would stick it in anything ,but then he was a perv .

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[taiwanatoa]

On 6/24/2019 at 10:37 AM, Pilotman said:

Utter nonsense. 

Yes, you are. 

[remorhaz]

If you're gay your gay but those of us who are not are not attracted to men - that's just the way it is.  I don't feel any obligation to be attracted to men no matter who in Hollywood says otherwise.  I like women and I've never had the urge to stick my knob in between some guys hairy butt cheeks.  If that is your poison okay but its not true for many hetero men and all the studies and surveys and science isn't going to make doing that attractive for us.  

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, remorhaz said:

If you're gay your gay but those of us who are not are not attracted to men - that's just the way it is.  I don't feel any obligation to be attracted to men no matter who in Hollywood says otherwise.  I like women and I've never had the urge to stick my knob in between some guys hairy butt cheeks.  If that is your poison okay but its not true for many hetero men and all the studies and surveys and science isn't going to make doing that attractive for us.  

Yeah sure but laying back for a cheeky BJ doesn't require being attracted to anyone, innit?

Also to add some of this is about culture.

Scratch that. 

A lot of it is. 

Thais definitely don't have the same hard binary labeling culture as in the west, and in even in the west that has become much more fluid among younger people.

In Mexico for example if you're a top in male to male sex that's considered macho and not gay. 

You know what they say, the difference between a gay guy and a straight guy? A six pack of beer. 

Having same sex sex wouldn't make you gay any more than having straight sex would make me straight. 

Edited July 20, 2019 by Jingthing

[BobBKK]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Yeah sure but laying back for a cheeky BJ doesn't require being attracted to anyone, innit?

Also to add some of this is about culture.

Scratch that. 

A lot of it is. 

Thais definitely don't have the same hard binary labeling culture as in the west, and in even in the west that has become much more fluid among younger people.

In Mexico for example if you're a top in male to male sex that's considered macho and not gay. 

You know what they say, the difference between a gay guy and a straight guy? A six pack of beer. 

Having same sex sex wouldn't make you gay any more than having straight sex would make me straight. 

Cheeky BJ?  by a guy?  if any guy can get an erection for a cheeky guy BJ then he is gay, obviously, nothing wrong in that but to say otherwise is nonsense.

[Krataiboy]

On 4/16/2019 at 4:34 AM, thaicurious said:

While outside of, what, a blood fetish, unprotected anal sex is likely the most risky sexual behavior for HIV transmission,  heterosexuals certainly do enough passing it around amongst themselves about which you conveniently failed to mention.

 

Never mind that I'd imagine most str8/gay encounters involve relatively safer quicky blowjobs and not so much your bug chasing fantasy of infected gay penile insertions into as yet uninfected str8 anus. Because, as you know, it's usually only the fresh str8 ass seeking out that.

 

So I guess probably the same rules apply to everyone as to safer sex. Unprotected is unprotected regardless of gender or orientation or drunken convenience, making your point entirely moot if not simply disgusting.

 

How new is this transmission realization?

 

First, let's see who's doing all the anal sex

 

(1991)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2059146

"...the misconception that anal sex is a homosexual male practice, not heterosexual. Review of surveys of sexual practices suggest that heterosexual anal intercourse is far more common than generally realized...

 

...Considerably more heterosexuals engage in the act than do homosexual and bisexual men, not all of whom participate in anal coitus. Anal intercourse carries an AIDS risk for women greater than that for vaginal coitus..."

 

Now let's see if we can find some numbers to do a little math.

 

*https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/09/study-polls-may-underestimate-anti-gay-sentiment-and-size-of-gay-lesbian-population/

"self-reports of non-heterosexual identity amounted to 19% of those surveyed using the Veiled Report methods"

 

Okay, so about 80% of the population is pretty much str8. Now let's examine under microscope what they do in bed to each other.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4949144/

"Prevalence and Correlates of Heterosexual Anal Intercourse among Men and Women...

 

...Heterosexual anal intercourse (HAI) is not an uncommon behavior and it confers a higher risk of HIV transmission than vaginal intercourse....

 

...Thirty percent of women and 35% of men reported HAI in the past year.

 

...Heterosexual anal intercourse (HAI) is not an uncommon behavior with 36% of women and 44% of men 25–44 years old in the United States reporting ever having HAI in their lifetime (1). There is evidence that the prevalence of HAI may be increasing in recent years, which may be due to a true increase in the behavior over time or heterosexuals becoming more comfortable reporting the behavior..."

 

How about gay people, what do they do in bed?

 

https://www.gq.com/story/the-biggest-myth-about-gay-sex

"according to a 2011 study of 25,000 men who have sex with men published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, less then 40 percent of respondents reported in engaging in anal sex with their last sexual partner."

 

Oh, so about the same percent as str8 anal sex people. 

 

Now let's look at the numbers and see if they stack up to your hardly at all prejudiced theory of HIV transmission.

 

in a world of 100 people, 80 percent str8, 20 percent not str8. Not all of those gay, of course, as some are lesbian, some trans, some asexual, etc, but let's just call them gay for this example.

 

80/20. Even if just 33%--the number's likely higher--of str8s engage in it while 40% (by above study) of gays are into it here's how that works out:

 

33 percent of 80 = about 26

40 percent of 20 = about 8

 

Oh, so there's at least 3.25 TIMES MORE STR8 ANAL SEX GOING ON IN THE WORLD THAN GAY ANAL SEX. YOU WIN!!!

 

3.25 times more prevalent in the world by the Heteros. So what makes you think their new transmissions are coming from the gay world? Because by those numbers it seems they're doing enough potentially more dangerous sex just to keep it going within themselves.

 

Let's look further how str8s spread HIV among themselves, all by themselves...

 

For how long has this been known?

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8420583

1993 Jan;4(1):63-72.

 

AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa: the epidemiology of heterosexual transmission

 

...HIV has been transmitted in 80% of cases as a result of heterosexual activity; perinatal and blood transfusions each account for about 10% of cases..."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/factsheets/todaysepidemic-508.pdf

2016...

 

Heterosexuals accounted for 25 percent of estimated new HIV infections in 2010 (12,100). About two thirds (66 percent) of those infected through heterosexual sex were women....

 

People who inject drugs: In 2010, PWIDs represented eight percent of new HIV infections and 14 percent of people currently living with HIV....

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2014/07/10/330217262/why-hiv-spreads-less-easily-in-heterosexual-couples

"A woman is twice as likely to catch the virus from an infected partner in a heterosexual relationship than a man is....

 

Now scientists at Microsoft Research and the Zambia-Emory HIV Project have a clue about why these disparities exist.

Only the strongest, most evolutionary "fit" versions of the virus tend to infect a man when he has sex with an HIV-positive woman...

 

...particular versions of the virus, with particular DNA sequences, are most likely to pass from a woman to a man...

 

...They found that viruses in newly infected men were more "fit" than the viruses in newly infected women. But when men had genital ulcers or inflammation, they were also infected with less fit versions of the virus....

 

Further

https://hivselftest.co.uk/blogs/news/37867781-hiv-its-not-just-about-gay-men

"...In the UK alone, according to the Public Health England, HIV in the UK 2014 report  there are approximately 60,000 heterosexual people living with HIV, compared with 43,500 men who have sex with men (MSM).

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6195215/

Risk of HIV transmission was greatest for blood transfusion, followed by vertical exposure, sexual exposures, and other parenteral exposures. Sexual exposure risks ranged from low for oral sex to 138 infections per 10 000 exposures for receptive anal intercourse. Estimated risks of HIV acquisition from sexual exposure were attenuated by 99.2% with the dual use of condoms and antiretroviral treatment of the HIV-infected partner.

 

https://europepmc.org/abstract/med/29973010

To analysis the epidemiological data of male HIV/AIDS by sexual transmission reported in Shandong Province from 1997 to 2016. Results: A total of 8 584 HIV/AIDS were reported by heterosexual transmission or homosexual transmission from 2007 to 2016. 2 421 cases were reported by heterosexual transmission and 6 163 cases were reported by homosexual transmission.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21062593

Over the 6 years there were 33 681 HIV tests performed on men, of which 17 958 tests were for heterosexual men. From these heterosexual men, nine tested positive for the first time at MSHC (0.05%, 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.01%, 0.09%). These nine cases included six men who had had sex with a female partner from the following countries: Thailand, Cambodia, China, East Timor, Botswana and South Africa. Two men had injected drugs and one had a HIV-positive female partner.

 

https://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/hiv-and-heterosexual-intercourse

Because you ask specifically about sex between a male and a female, here’s a breakdown of the possible ways transmission could occur:

A male is at risk of contracting HIV if his urethra, open sores on his genitals, or open cuts around his mouth come into contact with:

Infected vaginal fluid (through vaginal or oral sex)

Infected menstrual blood (through vaginal or oral sex)

Infected rectal secretions from a woman’s anus (through anal sex or oral/anal contact)

 

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html

2017

New HIV Diagnoses in the US

Black Women Heterosexual Contact 4,008

Black Men Heterosexual Contact 1,717

Hispanic Women Heterosexual Contact 1,058

White Women Heteroseuxal Contact 999

 

https://www.verywellhealth.com/can-i-get-hiv-from-vaginal-sex-49450

Through the male is at somewhat less risk for HIV than his female sexual partner, HIV can enter either through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or through small cuts or open sores on the penis.

 

Additionally, men who are uncircumcised tend to be more vulnerable to HIV than men who are circumcised. The bacterial population that exists beneath a foreskin can thrive due to the moist environment. The immune system naturally responds by triggering a modest immune defense to keep an infection at bay. Again, ironically, CD4 cells can be called to the front lines of defense, making transmission all the easier.

 

Sexually transmitted diseases work more or less in the same way. Beyond open ulcerative sores that can facilitate an easy route into the bloodstreams (from STDs like syphilis or herpes simplex), other infections spur a localized immune response, exponentially increasing the likelihood of HIV transmission

 

Finally

 

http://www.aidsmap.com/One-in-five-heterosexual-men-in-the-UK-caught-their-HIV-from-another-man/page/3119114/

"A genetic analysis of a large database of people with HIV in the UK in care shows that 18% of men with HIV who claim to be exclusively heterosexual in fact belong to clusters of linked infections that consist only of men.

 

This provides a minimum figure for the proportion of men with HIV in the UK who are what the researchers call “undisclosed men who have sex with men..."

 

Now that last one is real interesting because it shows one in five HIV hetero men got it from another man.

 

In other words 4/5ths of them got HIV HETEROSEXUALLY. NOT FROM GAY MEN.

 

So, um, gay men are not the cause of your problems. Stop scapegoating us. You are the cause of your problems. Start learning, thinking, acting and talking responsibly please.

 

Thank you. QED

I'm all for more responsibility, starting with men who have sex with men (MSM), whether gay, bi or allegedly straight. 

 

Their chances of becoming infected with HIV is 27 times higher among MSM than other demographics. If they realised this, maybe more MSM  would stop "risking it" - and, in the case of bisexuals and "straights". lessen the chances of their female partners becoming victims.

Edited July 20, 2019 by Krataiboy

[elliss]

On 5/1/2018 at 2:14 PM, wombat said:

i am not gay i am buy-sexual, when i want sex i buy it.

 

   Fyi ,  we  all  buy it , in some  shape or form..

 

 

Edited July 20, 2019 by elliss

[RJRS1301]

15 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Cheeky BJ?  by a guy?  if any guy can get an erection for a cheeky guy BJ then he is gay, obviously, nothing wrong in that but to say otherwise is nonsense.

Oh dear, seems to lack understanding of how erections can occur irrespective of gender performing the BJ

[bert bloggs]

3 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Oh dear, seems to lack understanding of how erections can occur irrespective of gender performing the BJ

I can assure you as a straight male ,no amount of licking my penis by some man would give me an erection ,quite the opposite it would shrink away in fear ,no matter how much you think it wouldnt , why do gay men think other men fancy having gay sex? live in hope i suppose .

by the way i could not care less if someone is gay ,but please stop shouting it out to the world ,just get on with your lives .

[soalbundy]

On 5/1/2018 at 7:44 PM, Oxx said:

 

You just haven't met the right guy yet.  Give it time.  It might happen.

excuse me while I throw up

[RJRS1301]

15 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

I can assure you as a straight male ,no amount of licking my penis by some man would give me an erection ,quite the opposite it would shrink away in fear ,no matter how much you think it wouldnt , why do gay men think other men fancy having gay sex? live in hope i suppose .

by the way i could not care less if someone is gay ,but please stop shouting it out to the world ,just get on with your lives .

Please note I stated "can" occur

 

Why should str8s have the sole right to shout their heteronormative views all the time, if not allowing others the same degree of acceptance ?

 

[bert bloggs]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Please note I stated "can" occur

 

Why should str8s have the sole right to shout their heteronormative views all the time, if not allowing others the same degree of acceptance ?

 

Sorry ,didnt know that we had a "special flag" hetrosexual parades ,and all the other stuff the lbgtxyz crew keep going on and on and on and on about. we just get on with our lives .

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Sorry ,didnt know that we had a "special flag" hetrosexual parades ,and all the other stuff the lbgtxyz crew keep going on and on and on and on about. we just get on with our lives .

After repressive laws (some including capital punishment to this day) for many years in the recent past, and also continuing active discrimination in many jurisdictions.

So I guess if the LGBTI+ community wish to celebrate their relatively newfound "freedoms" in some places it does no harm, and may allow some to feel included.

By allowing others the same rights as everyone should have , does not mean the majority looses any of their rights.

 

 

[spidermike007]

In Mexico we used to refer to these guys as "Bicycletas". Guys who go either way. Bisexual basically. Look, straight men do not do other men. I am not being intolerant or ignorant. Just stating a basic fact. I have alot of gay friends, and have love and respect for them, so I have no issue with gay or lesbian. Frankly, I do not really get the whole TS thing, nor all the other multitudinous variations. But, that is just me. Not intolerant, just do not understand. The issue I have is one of honestly. You prefer guys. Admit it. You want to mix it up. Admit it. 

 

The only bi-sexual experience I have had was with a lesbian woman, who liked to get with guys on occasion. I was one of the fortunate few who she chose. 

 

Also, as long as I am contributing my two cents worth, I think this also feeds into the whole ladyboy thing here. Alot of guys come here, and get busy with ladyboys. Nothing wrong with that. Whatever floats your boat. But, I do consider it a "free pass" type of experience. In other words, a gay experience, without the stigma. Of course, I am referring primarily to pre op ladyboys, who are about 90% of the total, from what I am told. 

Edited July 21, 2019 by spidermike007

[Scott]

Troll posts removed. 

[onthemoon]

I think it's a cultural and an age thing. Young guys, let's say around 20, in an open society may be curious and give it a try. When you get older, you are not curious any more, you are already set in your way, be it straight, gay, bi or interested in transgender folks (which is another category altogether).

 

Also, in a culture that has a stigma against gays, it is less likely that the guys become curious, or live out their curiosity.

 

I didn't read the study but would be interested in these demographics. Regardless of what many people in this thread feel, the title says "study shows", so that's a fact.

Edited July 24, 2019 by onthemoon

[ivor bigun]

I think it's a cultural and an age thing. Young guys, let's say around 20, in an open society may be curious and give it a try. When you get older, you are not curious any more, you are already set in your way, be it straight, gay, bi or interested in transgender folks (which is another category altogether).
 
Also, in a culture that has a stigma against gays, it is less likely that the guys become curious, or live out their curiosity.
 
I didn't read the study but would be interested in these demographics. Regardless of what many people in this thread feel, the title says "study shows", so that's a fact.

"Study shows" anyone can do a study and get the result they want go to Brighton in england or boyze town here in Pattaya to get a "result" and as for age,well i was around swinging London in the 60s went to lots of clubs where sorry they were called "homos" then not " gay" went but never ever fancied a man although many were good looking,neither did my friends.

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[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

"Study shows" anyone can do a study and get the result they want go to Brighton in england or boyze town here in Pattaya to get a "result" and as for age,well i was around swinging London in the 60s went to lots of clubs where sorry they were called "homos" then not " gay" went but never ever fancied a man although many were good looking,neither did my friends.

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Or so your friends said anyway. Sounds like you were hanging with a homophobic set which is pretty typical so if they had experimented it's not like they would be open it. 

[bert bloggs]

I must hang with a homophobic set as well ,all of them are married(to women) and not one fancies men ,(i know ,we will get the usual ,"are you sure maybe they do) ,although a friend did try a ladyboy when he came here on holiday ,after a few drinks ,said he really fancied her ,it was only while he was kissing and she got an erection it put him off a bit???? never tried again just stuck with girls .

[onthemoon]

22 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

"Study shows" anyone can do a study and get the result they want go to Brighton in england or boyze town here in Pattaya to get a "result" and as for age,well i was around swinging London in the 60s went to lots of clubs where sorry they were called "homos" then not " gay" went but never ever fancied a man although many were good looking,neither did my friends.

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That's right. The study still shows it. Whether the study was representative is another question. I cannot answer that (and neither can you) without knowing the how they did their sampling. 

[BritManToo]

21 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

That's right. The study still shows it. Whether the study was representative is another question. I cannot answer that (and neither can you) without knowing the how they did their sampling. 

They asked all the men in a gay club.

[bert bloggs]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They asked all the men in a gay club.

Or at a rainbow parade ????

[marcusarelus]

On 7/21/2019 at 9:35 AM, bert bloggs said:

I can assure you as a straight male ,no amount of licking my penis by some man would give me an erection ,quite the opposite it would shrink away in fear ,no matter how much you think it wouldnt , why do gay men think other men fancy having gay sex? live in hope i suppose .

by the way i could not care less if someone is gay ,but please stop shouting it out to the world ,just get on with your lives .

All sorts of information on the net that demonstrates this is false.  Google straight men and you'll see.  

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