charmonman Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, dunroaming said: I am a bit gobsmacked about this latest twist. I really don't know what to make of it. Giuliani must have known what he was saying but why? Possibly because he's an idiot, just like his client. Edited May 3, 2018 by charmonman Addition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 hours ago, IAMHERE said: It is nice to see POTUS pays his bills. for once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Hopefully we can flush trump soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 10 hours ago, starky said: Ok so he didn't sleep with her then he did. Money never got paid then it did. Didn't know about the payment then he does. Didn't come from campaign funds then it did but got paid back so it's all ok. At yet people still want to support this nasty, lying sack of shit. Trump has said he did not know about the payment to Stormy Daniels, who says she had a one-night stand with Trump in 2006. Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen paid Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, the money in 2016 to keep quiet about the alleged sexual encounter before the presidential election. In an interview on Fox News, Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor and longtime friend of Trump, said the president knew about the $130,000 payment and reimbursed Cohen. "They funnelled it through a law firm and the president repaid it," Giuliani said. "He didn't know about the specifics of it, as far as I know, but he did know about the general arrangement that Michael would take care of things like this," Giuliani said. He said the payment did not violate campaign finance laws because it was not drawn from Trump campaign funds. Would have been cleaner to admit he did her, then paid her off via Cohen. Money is money, that wad of bills (notes) in your pocket tells no tales. But Cohen paid her off to keep quiet about something that didn't happen? "He didn't know about the specifics of it, as far as I know, but he did know about the general arrangement that Michael would take care of things like this," Giuliani said. Those words in red are Giuliani's escape hatch. Those words in blue: things like what? What means "this"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post selftaopath Posted May 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2018 12 hours ago, dunroaming said: I am a bit gobsmacked about this latest twist. I really don't know what to make of it. Giuliani must have known what he was saying but why? Rachael Maddow (MSNBC) if very informative and explains thing well and w/out bias. She presents the FACTS. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expatthailover Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Trump only hires the best people He sacks them six months later for incompetency mind you. Loving all this Trump is to leadership and integrity what gandhi was meat eating warmongers. Cant wait for melania to take him to the cleaners after he has been unceremoniously booted out. Truly is an odious human being Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, Expatthailover said: Trump only hires the best people He sacks them six months later for incompetency mind you. Loving all this Trump is to leadership and integrity what gandhi was meat eating warmongers. Cant wait for melania to take him to the cleaners after he has been unceremoniously booted out. Truly is an odious human being Melania hiring Avenatti for Trump v Trump is my dream wrap-up, the icing on the cake of Trump being brought down by a porn star. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Srikcir Posted May 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2018 13 hours ago, dunroaming said: I am a bit gobsmacked about this latest twist. Here is another twist: FOX News is upset with Trump for the $130,000 payment. Fox News Host Neil Cavuto Tells Trump, “I guess you’re too busy draining the swamp to ever stop and smell the stink you’re creating.” “How can you drain the swamp if you’re the one that keeps muddying the water?” 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sfokevin Posted May 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2018 I like how Sarah Huckabee Sanders has now official replaced the word Truth with “The best information we had at the time...” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Srikcir said: Here is another twist: FOX News is upset with Trump for the $130,000 payment. Fox News Host Neil Cavuto Tells Trump, “I guess you’re too busy draining the swamp to ever stop and smell the stink you’re creating.” “How can you drain the swamp if you’re the one that keeps muddying the water?” WOW. I can hardly believe that's Trump's propaganda show. There's hope for them I suppose.... unless this is a "one off." Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 3:52 PM, AmericanSafety said: Funny thing is he lied. OK. It wasn't under oath and as long as the funds didn't come from the RNC funds, no crime was committed. Much a do about nothing. It's not funny, he is POTUS and you deem it acceptable. You need to STOP watching Fox. It is totally irrelevant where the funds came from. If you don't want to educate yourself for you then it least do it for your children. There is more than enough reliable information out there to show that what you have said is complete rubbish. On 5/3/2018 at 5:45 PM, starky said: At yet people still want to support this nasty, lying sack of shit. Isn't it about time you stopped sitting on the fence 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim1000 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Think that when Rudy went after all those big NY crime bosses a little bit of it rubbed off on him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanSafety Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 6:12 AM, selftaopath said: Rachael Maddow (MSNBC) if very informative and explains thing well and w/out bias. She presents the FACTS. This made me laugh hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I haven't seen the Mulberry Street Dracula on the TV recently. Did Trump put Count Chocula back in his box? FWIW, it was Hannity who actually used the F word (Funnel) first, leading My Cousin Rudy into a "trap". By the time Rudy sobers up, he'll have implicated Trump in the Lindbergh Kidnapping. Seems like he was either sacked, quit or has taken a leave of absence from Greenberg Traurig. RUDY’S EX-LAW BOSS: PLEASE STOP IMPLICATING US IN YOUR CRIMES https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/05/rudy-giuliani-greenberg-traurig-resignation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 7 hours ago, AmericanSafety said: This made me laugh hard. Well she’s nailed an awful lot of facts in the ongoing criminal investigation. If you don’t like her reporting stick with Fox’s Hannity reporting on the Cohen case for months, frequently interviewing Cohen but never once letting on that Cohen was his lawyer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) It started off so innocent ! DT trying to hide a embarrassing locker room scant,payment to a Porn Queen through his personnel lawyer. But now the storm has turned! Who and where is Avenatti getting his money and infoe from!!!!!!!!!! "But this release of a “report” by Avenatti also raises the question of where and how did he get this detailed financial information because he didn’t find it on Google. This is the kind of information that would have been known only by the Treasury Department, his banks or by prosecutors, raising some serious questions about what kind of operation Avenatti is running". " Are there political donors behind making this campaign work"? http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/387088-who-is-paying-michael-avenatti Edited May 11, 2018 by riclag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, riclag said: It started off so innocent ! DT trying to hide a embarrassing locker room scant,payment to a Porn Queen through his personnel lawyer. But now the storm has turned! Who and where is Avenatti getting his money and infoe from!!!!!!!!!! "But this release of a “report” by Avenatti also raises the question of where and how did he get this detailed financial information because he didn’t find it on Google. This is the kind of information that would have been known only by the Treasury Department, his banks or by prosecutors, raising some serious questions about what kind of operation Avenatti is running". " Are there political donors behind making this campaign work"? http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/387088-who-is-paying-michael-avenatti So you’ve given up trying to defend Cohen and Trump and moved on to parroting attacks on those exposing their criminality. Cohen set up an LLC to direct payments to Stormy Danniels, a method used to cloak the source of the payment. He then used the bank account of the same LLC to receive and redirect millions of dollars from sources that include people with direct contact to the Kremlin. Was this laziness, hubris or simple stupidity. The Special Council has the details and will surely be following the money. Avenatti’s report, almost immediately verified by a number of news papers is a side show. The truth will (despite Trump’s best efforts) out! Oh and ....”Are there political donors behind making this campaign work"? Superbly laughable - the only ‘donors’ we know of so far are people handing wads of cash to Cohen. I hope you stick around when we learn we’re that money wound up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: So you’ve given up trying to defend Cohen and Trump and moved on to parroting attacks on those exposing their criminality. Cohen set up an LLC to direct payments to Stormy Danniels, a method used to cloak the source of the payment. He then used the bank account of the same LLC to receive and redirect millions of dollars from sources that include people with direct contact to the Kremlin. Was this laziness, hubris or simple stupidity. The Special Council has the details and will surely be following the money. Avenatti’s report, almost immediately verified by a number of news papers is a side show. The truth will (despite Trump’s best efforts) out! Oh and ....”Are there political donors behind making this campaign work"? Superbly laughable - the only ‘donors’ we know of so far are people handing wads of cash to Cohen. I hope you stick around when we learn we’re that money wound up. Its being investigated its worth parroting. It's very difficult to find such parroting of this kind of news. It's difficult to find reporting of it sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, riclag said: It started off so innocent ! DT trying to hide a embarrassing locker room scant,payment to a Porn Queen through his personnel lawyer. But now the storm has turned! Who and where is Avenatti getting his money and infoe from!!!!!!!!!! "But this release of a “report” by Avenatti also raises the question of where and how did he get this detailed financial information because he didn’t find it on Google. This is the kind of information that would have been known only by the Treasury Department, his banks or by prosecutors, raising some serious questions about what kind of operation Avenatti is running". " Are there political donors behind making this campaign work"? http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/387088-who-is-paying-michael-avenatti Avenatti was on television and explained some of this. Stormy Daniels paid the initial money to retain him. There is a public sort of go-fund-me page (I don't recall the name of the page), and all payments to him have come from that. He also explained there are no single large donors or groups providing payments to him. He refused to answers questions about where he got his information on Cohen. He will have to do it to the Courts though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, Credo said: Avenatti was on television and explained some of this. Stormy Daniels paid the initial money to retain him. There is a public sort of go-fund-me page (I don't recall the name of the page), and all payments to him have come from that. He also explained there are no single large donors or groups providing payments to him. He refused to answers questions about where he got his information on Cohen. He will have to do it to the Courts though. He will only have to reveal his source to the courts if the courts demand it. Meanwhile the wider press has the same point mformation. So does Mueller. Avanatti having this information is a side show - Mueller is on the case. It is interesting though that Trump’s shrilly and his illiberal followers are making no effort to challenge the evidence of millions of dollars being fed to Trump’s personal lawyer, instead choosing to rant about Avanatti. Millions of traceable dollars, I’m loving it. The truth will (despite Trump’s best efforts) out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Credo said: He also explained there are no single large donors or groups providing payments to him. He refused to answers questions about where he got his information on Cohen. He will have to do it to the Courts though. Many people want to know where and how he got bank records of Cohen. Many people want to see who is funding this guy besides his go fund me page. Can't rely on the dishonest feds to divulge it,sad. Rudy must be working on it. NY southern district is his specialty,his old prosecuting neighborhood . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, riclag said: Many people want to know where and how he got bank records of Cohen. Many people want to see who is funding this guy besides his go fund me page. Can't rely on the dishonest feds to divulge it,sad. Rudy must be working on it. NY southern district is his specialty,his old prosecuting neighborhood . Hogwash. There is no evidence that Avenatti has Cohen’s bank records. Avenatti himself stated on MSNBC that Cohen could clear this all up by publishing his bank records. Avenatti did not verify his own claims, he provided no supporting evidence of these claims - but within 24 hours a number of respected newspapers and news outlets were independently verifying what Avenatti had said. The illiberal response to this is to attack Avenatti. 1. Claim he has somehow illegally obtained documents for which there is no evidence he even has. 2. Claim he’s being funded by ‘dark forces’ - Avenatti himself has repeatedly stated from where he receives his funding, There is zero evidence that he receives any other funding. (A bit of a laugh that one given Cohen is having to account for millions of dollars he received, much from Russians with direct Kremlin contacts). Added to this we have claims that the FEDs are dishonest. The reason Trump’s illiberal shrills are attacking Avenatti (and not other sources of this story) is because Avenatti and his client have been very very clear, their end game is the Presiddnt provides full disclosure of his actions wrt Stormy Danniels. The truth will (despite Trump’ best efforts) out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanSafety Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Well she’s nailed an awful lot of facts in the ongoing criminal investigation. If you don’t like her reporting stick with Fox’s Hannity reporting on the Cohen case for months, frequently interviewing Cohen but never once letting on that Cohen was his lawyer. Chomper- he doesn't have to disclose that he has any personal financial relationship with the lawyer or not; that is a matter of privacy. There will be much ado about nothing as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, AmericanSafety said: Chomper- he doesn't have to disclose that he has any personal financial relationship with the lawyer or not; that is a matter of privacy. There will be much ado about nothing as usual. No, that is a matter of honest reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanSafety Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, stevenl said: No, that is a matter of honest reporting. He's not legally bound to disclose his personal finances on air or off. Besides, you are under the inaccurate assumption that honest reporting still exists in today's age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, AmericanSafety said: He's not legally bound to disclose his personal finances on air or off. Besides, you are under the inaccurate assumption that honest reporting still exists in today's age. It does all over the world. Legally not required, but morally yes. But as we know Fox nor its viewers care about honest reporting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, stevenl said: No, that is a matter of honest reporting. Fox News would deny that it is held to that standard. Former CEO Roger Ailes himself has at times suggested that Fox News is in the entertainment, not news, business. For that reason Fox News will apparently began airing a disclaimer declaring that its programming is "for entertainment purposes only." So the Fox News people do not see themselves held to the same standards as journalists and reporters one sees on CNN and MSNBC but rather as entertainers on sees on ESPN and TNT. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/04/01/fox-news-for-entertainment-purposes-only-disclaimer_n_15727044.html (updated 04/12/2018) But even with such a disclaimer I believe FOX News people such as Hannity are being deceptive because they espouse political positions intended to sway public beliefs on matters where they have a conflict of interest. Edited May 11, 2018 by Srikcir msp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 8:25 PM, Srikcir said: Fox News would deny that it is held to that standard. Former CEO Roger Ailes himself has at times suggested that Fox News is in the entertainment, not news, business. For that reason Fox News will apparently began airing a disclaimer declaring that its programming is "for entertainment purposes only." So the Fox News people do not see themselves held to the same standards as journalists and reporters one sees on CNN and MSNBC but rather as entertainers on sees on ESPN and TNT. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/04/01/fox-news-for-entertainment-purposes-only-disclaimer_n_15727044.html (updated 04/12/2018) But even with such a disclaimer I believe FOX News people such as Hannity are being deceptive because they espouse political positions intended to sway public beliefs on matters where they have a conflict of interest. Did you miss the caption "Editor's note: Happy (belated) April Fool's Day. This story was originally published in 2017". https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/04/01/fox-news-for-entertainment-purposes-only-disclaimer_n_15727044.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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