Thousands Dead, Hundreds More Dogs Now Dying Due To Scare: Foundation

[JAZZDOG]

5 minutes ago, soistalker said:

Ok. I think I speak for all of us here when I say that we didn't read your rambling post in its entirety. 

I gather that you are one of these people who speaks of their dogs as if they were humans. 

As a cat person, you disgust me.

And as a lesson in evolution and biology, nearly every species of animal will wipe out other species if they can. This is why ecosystems are laid to waste when an invasive species moves in. 

In Thailand, there are no animals to control the dog population but man. Dogs have no natural predators here. Ergo, their numbers spiral out of control and negatively impact the envitoment; spreading disease to humans now. 

Please stop crying.

I am only telling the truth.

Take your head out of your heart by reaching as far up your ass as possible and see the problem from the light of reality. 

You actually believe you speak for everyone, how special !

[giddyup]

38 minutes ago, michael walker said:

hope it continues  , good control on this problem with wild dogs biting people

Yeah, it's an epidemic, dogs biting people. That's why I stay holed up at home now, too many Cujos roaming the streets.

Edit: For those a little slow, it's...

Edited May 12, 2018 by giddyup

[jesimps]

16 hours ago, mommysboy said:

I'm not overly fond of dogs but like many there's no way I want to see them suffer like this.  But Thais have a sickly sentimental attitude towards strays. I live in one of the better housing estates, yet I can't go for a run in the evening because of the dogs.  It's really bad that they should face dog camp or lethal injection.

In my little community of 7 executive style houses, there are 25 "owned" dogs. Myself and the guy next door don't have any. Although they all have collars, most roam around unrestrained and bark and chase vehicles continuously.

I put it to the farang owner of six dogs that they weren't pets but a pack that mainly hung around ouside his house waiting for food.

It's the irresponsible, so-called owners who should be put in the pound, not the poor dumb animals.

[jak2002003]

1 hour ago, BimBoon said:

Of all my experience of Rescueing dogs here in the hundreds I have never known a dog bit that has not been provoked. I don't believe a word. "I'm a dog lover but"??????

I can tell you about an unprovoked dog bite or 2.

 

I have lived her 15 years.  During that time I have been bitten 3 times.  2 superficial.. but drew blood... and one serious, requiring stitches.  A neighbour also got the end of his finger bitten off by his own 'rescued' dog when he went to pick up the TV remote.  

 

Fist 2 dogs bit me without me even being aware there were there... so totally unprovoked.  I was cycling home in the evening and the 1st thing I knew about it the dog was latched onto my shin, causing me to fall off the bike... then get surrounded by about 10 other angry dogs all having a go... and not one singe person from any of the houses came out to help me.  Even when the attack was over and I was sitting in shock at the side of the road... with dozens of loudly barking dogs... no one came to offer assistance.

 

2nd. dog bite was when a small dog rushed out from a garden and bit my ankle.  Again with no provocation.  I was simply walking home with my parents in the daytime.  

 

Final attack was when I had to cycle through a large pack of dogs out in the country side.  I was not worried as I had passed that pack many times before.. they always chase me, but never bite.  So I was not nervous, not aggressive... I just totally ignored them.  That was a mistake because a couple of them got too close and one took a chucky out of my leg and ran off with the others.  

 

Perhaps you have escaped any dog bites as you are driving in your car rather than walking or cycling? Or you may live in an area which does not have feral / village dogs running about in their hundreds. 

 

And I am not frightened of dogs, nor am I aggressive / passive to them.. in any way to cause them at bite.  I own 2 dogs myself, and have friends with dogs... and I like dogs.  So please don't spout the old rubbish about dogs sensing fear, knowing bad people, or them being scared of threatening humans.  

[giddyup]

4 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

I can tell you about an unprovoked dog bite or 2.

 

I have lived her 15 years.  During that time I have been bitten 3 times.  2 superficial.. but drew blood... and one serious, requiring stitches.  A neighbour also got the end of his finger bitten off by his own 'rescued' dog when he went to pick up the TV remote.  

 

I'm a dog lover as well, but I believe you 100% when you say an unprovoked dog can still bite.

[jak2002003]

47 minutes ago, buddhalady said:

For the past 40 years I’ve had dogs plural – my best, most supportive and loving friends who’ve cared for me and got me through a good few very bad times.

 

‘The more I see of people, the more I prefer my dog’

 

Says it is all – 

 

Yes is does.  Says it all perfectly.  

 

I am sorry that you have no other human beings that you are able to communicate your emotions and problems with... and that you feel no one can love or care for you.  

 

I don't want to worry you, but maybe this is a sign of depression or some other mental illness.  Have you thought about counselling?   You may lack self esteem or social skills, or have a personality disorder... all of these things can be helped with treatment.  

 

There are many people out there who are kind, loving and supportive and really good kind human beings.  You don't need to lock yourself away like some hermit crazy dog lady, with a bunch of dogs as a substitute family unit.  

[dallen52]

17 hours ago, johng said:

If they where properly looked after "pets" they would never have ended up in these camps to begin with.

Thais and dogs. 

Three houses facing me in Siam cc area.

14 dogs. Yep.

All cared for well it appears.

 

Within SIX houses here.

27 dogs. 

And every night they let them out for a crap on the neighbors doorsteps.

Neighbors have signs up.

No dog shitting here. 

 

And all the soi manged critters come sniffing around. Every night.

I had to get one of those dog bark control things..works too.

 

And nothing you can do about it. 

Only two regulations. 

Biting and mistreatment. 

Bylaws non existent. 

 

The local Wat had 27 dogs there yesterday. 

All well fed.

Mainly bitches. AND in pup.

 

I think the night patrols like Japan has need to be put in place here.

300,000 a year abandoned dogs are euthanized. Humanely. 

 

Its disgusting. 

Its scary for walking around at night.

 

Needs action before rabies takes  hold. And more stupid people are walking around here.

 

 

 

 

 

[shillhater]

1 hour ago, Azoulay said:

I think many people ignore the consequences of rabbies. So get ride of the potentially contaminated dogs. No discussion.

what about monkeys, bats, cats etc etc 

[Cadbury]

17 hours ago, giddyup said:

You're all heart.

For your information Vietnam doesn't have the problem described in this story or the nor does it have the same problem of Thailand's soi dogs and rabies outbreaks which have seen people die. In Vietnam there is no equivalent to Thailand's mangy, unloved and uncared for and dangerous soi dogs. The Thais can be callous people when they conveniently choose to be so.

The Vietnamese love their dogs and part of their care for them is to keep them in a controlled environment. If they don't and let them wander about to to be a menace to other dogs and people they would not last longer than 24 hours. After that they are put to good use on the dinner plate.

And for your ongoing information that practice started because of starvation caused by oppressors such as France, Japan and America. The French and the Japanese stole their rice and the Americans poisoned it with Agent Orange. Millions died as a result. So if you are thinking of blaming them for a traditional practice of eating dog, don't...... blame the invaders of their country. 

 

[jak2002003]

2 minutes ago, shillhater said:

what about monkeys, bats, cats etc etc 

Hmmm...

 

Think about that.  There are far fewer monkeys then street dogs.  Bats don't really come into contact with humans as much as street dogs either... you don't see dozens of bats laying about outside 7 / 11 for instance.  

 

I don't know about cats.  But again, they are not in large packs and don't seem to have the numbers as high as the dogs.  They are also more fearful of strangers by nature and tend to run off, rather than chase people or motorbikes in my experience.  

 

[dallen52]

1 hour ago, WHYWHY said:

People should have a License for pets this is sad 

They dont even have a licence to drive the killing machines they use Every day..

 

Regulations are just a token thing here.

Unless theres a sleight of hand payment  in it.

 

LOS is becoming LO$...

 

Show me the money...

Show me themoney...

[Rimmer]

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[Chomper Higgot]

I last week saw a guy shooting dogs, this near Sriracha at 6:15 in the morning.

 

I thought maybe someone would complain about the noise, then remembered where I was.  

[anon789561]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I seriously doubt they are confiscating dogs from peoples homes. The level of paranoia being expressed here is reminiscent of the PC crowd back home. The fact is these soi dogs lead miserable lives. They are infested with disease, rabies, and many are nasty creatures, bark all night long, harass the domesticated dogs, and the locals, and lower the quality of life for many. If people would simply stop feeding them, there would not be such a proliferation of them. The most humane thing to do, is to round them up, and put them down. Nobody is going to come to claim a mangy dog. 

no one said they were confiscating them from peoples homes. as the article said they were convincing people to hand over their dogs

[anon789561]

one of the main things that pissed me off with the article was the authorities not letting dally and his vets in to help out. they were offering free professional and experienced help. IMO it makes no sense unless they are hiding something *(which is likely their inability to run the place)

Edited May 12, 2018 by Happy enough
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[lifeincnx]

The ignorance is downright criminal.

[Dmaxdan]

6 hours ago, Artisi said:

Will that be something like "Planet of the Apes"? 

Yes.

[JAZZDOG]

People being bit by dogs is due to bad Karma. We all see certain people that dogs love to hate while getting along just fine with everyone else. Result of bad energy. If my dogs don't like you, more likely than not I won't either. Dogs are very smart that way. If you get bit all the time you need to repent and get your Karma right!

[chrisinth]

3 hours ago, BEngBKK said:

The problem is not the dogs... It is the many Thais that love to buy small cute puppies at the market..

Puppies get big and then they throw them out.....

 

While that is true, the term 'Christmas Puppies' did not originate in Thailand......................

 

Count the number of shelters in your home country and the number of animals euthanised daily because of this problem. On this count, the only real difference are the shelters in the west have some sponsorship and they don't have a problem with putting animals to sleep that cannot be re-homed.

[chrisinth]

2 hours ago, tigermoth said:

If the dog is kept within the owner's property and only goes outside when on a leash then there is no way these dogs will have rabies. It is only due to the total lack of enforced dog control by the authorities that a dog problem exists here, totally caused by unowned strays, (soi dogs), which are nothing more than wild animals. These are obviously reinforced by negligent owners, again lack of authorities caring and excersising any control. If someone does not claim these caged animals within 48 hours of capture they should be put down.

That is not strictly true.

 

You need to remember that rabies is not specific to canines. Nothing to stop say, a cat getting onto your premises and getting into a fight with your dog and scratching it. Same would apply if a bat was roosting on your property and the dog attacked it. Far fetched I know but, these are just two of many animals known to carry rabies.

 

To have the attitude that these dogs are never in danger of catching rabies, you are potentially putting yourself and your family at risk.

[uffe123]

about time they are rounding them up. Wish they would come and get my neighbors mangy  dogs, only 10 of them, running around chasing the kids trying to bite them. One bit me, just finished my rabies shots, Told the neighbor, you think he gave a chit, told me don't worry.

Never will understand the Thai mentality.

[chrisinth]

2 hours ago, jamie2009 said:

Maybe people’s opinions would change if they got bitten by one. I have been walking into Soi Bukhao using the same route for over 18 months. I see the same Soi dogs every time, never bother me. Thursday one of them bit me on the leg, broke the skin, never seen it coming as it came from behind me, I was more focused on a truck which was passing close too me.

 

City Hospital, Pattaya, 1 Tetanus and the first of 4 Post Rabies Vaccinators, the last one will have to be in the UK as I will not be here.

Couldnt fault the service after booking in straight too the Emergency Room, sorted in 20 minutes. 

 

For me round all the Soi dogs up, take them too a local compound at the same publicising if the dog is not claimed in 2 weeks it will be put down. I love dogs not their fault what goes on but what benefits do Soi dogs bring too the community.

It is unfortunate that that happened to you, and yes, there is no hiding the fact that soi dogs in Thailand are a huge problem.

 

However that is not the issue of the OP; you agree to an extent with what is happening in the highlighted sentence above. The issue was that dogs pets were coerced from their owners and put into shelters with the soi dogs. In this instance, if true, it wouldn't matter how well the pet was looked after at home, how up-to-date it was with vaccinations, it's health would very quickly become the same as the rest of the pack.

 

Again, if true, the government allow regional authorities to abuse there protocols, or misinterpret them by coercing owners to give up there pets instead of keeping them indoors and monitor them (as is the correct procedure) then they are increasing the problem and not solving it.

 

Just to clarify, I am speaking as a dog owner myself. I could not comprehend being told to surrender my animals to be kept quarantined in conditions described in the OP. I do however know that I would not be following the law in response to being told to do that. 

Edited May 12, 2018 by chrisinth

[metisdead]

Some offensive troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[sawadee1947]

well, I see it's heart breaking.....made for making a bad conscience to get the tears flowing.

However Thais in general are not caring for dogs .

So it's not surprising that scabies, rabies, or whatever is out breaking.

And.......let's be honest, there are far too many dogs in Thailand. Under Thaksin is was different by the way.

Don't call me cruel. I have a black Labrador mix. And he is cared for in a proper way with regular "inspections" by a VET.

[chrisinth]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

Hmmm...

 

Think about that.  There are far fewer monkeys then street dogs.  Bats don't really come into contact with humans as much as street dogs either... you don't see dozens of bats laying about outside 7 / 11 for instance.  

 

I don't know about cats.  But again, they are not in large packs and don't seem to have the numbers as high as the dogs.  They are also more fearful of strangers by nature and tend to run off, rather than chase people or motorbikes in my experience.  

 

Rabies is rabies.

 

When an outbreak occurs it does not necessarily mean that humans are in the equation at the beginning. It is the spread of the rabies throughout the animal world that will finally affect us humans that, through our evolution have separated ourselves from the said animal world.

Edited May 12, 2018 by chrisinth

[Jim Brantley]

The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Mahatma Gandhi - 

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, jamie2009 said:

Making me out a liar then, no way did I provoke the dog, I was walking at a leisurely pace minding my own business and as I said come from behind me. I have seen it in the past being aggressive with people passing by and they weren’t provoking it either.

I would be the very last person it bit, no need for a dog pond or euthanasia  - just dead.

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, dallen52 said:

They dont even have a licence to drive the killing machines they use Every day..

 

Regulations are just a token thing here.

Unless theres a sleight of hand payment  in it.

 

LOS is becoming LO$...

 

Show me the money...

Show me themoney...

is that like no money no honey 

[dallen52]

The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Mahatma Gandhi - 

True.
We need to say no more... about Thailand...

But it's fun doing it...

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[Lacessit]

From memory, it was Arthur C. Clarke who suggested aliens would be judging the human race on the basis of how it treated its animals.

I don't disagree dogs should be put down if they are a health risk; however, it should be done quickly and humanely.