Texas teen charged with killing 10 in high school massacre

[riclag]

On 5/20/2018 at 7:55 AM, carmine said:

What is disturbing is apparently in the United States guns are more important to its citizens than children lives.

 

Yet even with the horrendous statistics available for all to see nothing is done about the situation.  Is America really this uncivilized?!!!

    American's have a right to protect themselves by law.So by having a constitutional right,isn't uncivilized. Uncivilized is a culture with  no laws.It's not the guns,its the people pulling the trigger.People shouldn't be allowed to have guns if they are mentally unstable or if reported to have emotional problems or have a suspicious behavior.

   Unfortunately when mental issues are being addressed and the authorities take away guns,that leads to other constitutional infringements of due process .

SCHOOLS ARE SOFT TARGETS! fortify and protect

Edited May 21, 2018 by riclag

[Srikcir]

30 minutes ago, riclag said:

People shouldn't be allowed to have guns if they are mentally unstable

Can Americans use that logic to deprive Trump as Commander-in-Chief having access to the biggest and most powerful guns in the world? ?

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[riclag]

4 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Can Americans use that logic to deprive Trump as Commander-in-Chief having access to the biggest and most powerful guns in the world? ?

I don't understand your logic what does this have to do with PT and the topic.Nice try 

[Jingthing]

47 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Can Americans use that logic to deprive Trump as Commander-in-Chief having access to the biggest and most powerful guns in the world? ?

There is the 25th amendment. 

[FritsSikkink]

18 hours ago, riclag said:

Time to lock and latch the school doors ,security with guns and metal detectors.

Don't forget the windows, otherwise people might survive a fire.

[Jingthing]

The parents of the shooter had best shut up and hire a PR specialist.

How about their GUNS which he used? Not locked up, eh? 

I don't doubt he was bullied.

Imagine if everyone that was bullied in school became a mass murderer.
It's no excuse.

Their descriptions of their son as a sweet, quite boy who is now upset and confused are not what his victims need to hear now.

Also the parents failed to mention that while he was murdering his fellow students, he was shouting WOO HOO.

How very Texan. 

Edited May 21, 2018 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Gun nation.

Brought to you by the NRA.

Not in my name.

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The Santa Fe High School shooting and the devaluing of life

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That’s it in a nutshell: Patrick and most other Republicans believe that guns “in greater numbers, in greater lethality” are part of our national identity. Deaths from guns — 5,400 so far this year alone — are to them an acceptable cost to protect the National Rifle Association’s version of the Second Amendment. It makes you wonder who in this country has really “devalued life.”

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/life/Opinion-|-The-Santa-Fe-High-School-shooting-and-the-devaluing-of-life.rJUQErly7.html

[pegman]

On May 20, 2018 at 11:34 PM, riclag said:

    American's have a right to protect themselves by law.So by having a constitutional right,isn't uncivilized. Uncivilized is a culture with  no laws.It's not the guns,its the people pulling the trigger.People shouldn't be allowed to have guns if they are mentally unstable or if reported to have emotional problems or have a suspicious behavior.

   Unfortunately when mental issues are being addressed and the authorities take away guns,that leads to other constitutional infringements of due process .

SCHOOLS ARE SOFT TARGETS! fortify and protect

So what about the greatest of all, Vegas killer? Awaiting your answer.

[pegman]

On May 21, 2018 at 12:14 AM, riclag said:

I don't understand your logic what does this have to do with PT and the topic.Nice try 

I think what the poster means is by your logic how can a mental retard like Trump have access to the nuke codes.

[Peterw42]

Gun control is not the answer, they need some military grade, assault style, automatic "thoughts and prayers" . Write a "right to bear thoughts and prayers" amendment into the constitution. Everyone should join the NT&PA.

[poanoi]

On 5/20/2018 at 7:08 PM, Jingthing said:

The 2nd amendment allows RESTRICTIONS on guns. NRA wants NO restrictions. 

 

I would like to see new laws in the wake of Santa Fe. It should be a FELONY for parents to not have their guns LOCKED UP at all times. Too bad there aren't laws on the books to send the shooter's PARENTS to jail as well. 

this, for once, would actually have an impact, another possibility is to potentially punish previous owners of a gun that has been used, making an incentive to hand in weapons for the purpose of empty the streets of guns.

 these mass shootings are opportunity crimes, if they hadn't have access to a gun, they wouldn't have attacked, since they would have been too easily overwhelmed armed with just a knife or baseball bat

[Jingthing]

It's about guns. It ain't rocket science. It's GUNS.

 

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America paves the way to the next tragedy

The attempts to avoid discussing guns in the wake of the Santa Fe High School shooting would be laughable if the results weren’t so tragic.

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The willingness to say anything — no matter how ludicrous — would be laughable if not for the fact that 10 people are dead and that refusing to acknowledge the role played by this country’s lax gun laws only paves the way for the next tragedy.

 

 

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/life/Opinion-|-America-paves-the-way-to-the-next-tragedy.HJ7qPRg1Q.html

 

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[Jingthing]

Gun nut apologists -- we've got your number.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html

[brucec64]

To late to change to many bad guys that have guns, that don't obey the laws.Thousands of crimes are stopped each year by citizens who have guns to protect themselves .The good guys are not going to give up a constitutional right to protect themselves. Plenty of videos on YT  "active self protection" ,showing many videos of the good guys stopping the bad guys.The NRA promotes safety,it has nothing to do with people, who use guns to harm people.America's morality is the problem.Guns don't think people do.

Yawn. Taken straight from the NRA propaganda playbook. At least come up with an original argument when defending the slaughter of children.

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[utalkin2me]

If you have ever seen the movie suicide club, which is amazing by the way, the underpinnings of the story bare striking resemblences to what we see with these shooters nowadays. 

 

Nobody really knows what drives them to these extremes. You almost get the feeling during the film that it is turning into a fad to commit suicide. I certainly get that feeling with these shooters. You also get the ominous feeling during the film that it is just going to continue to get worse...

[Scott]

4 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

If you have ever seen the movie suicide club, which is amazing by the way, the underpinnings of the story bare striking resemblences to what we see with these shooters nowadays. 

 

Nobody really knows what drives them to these extremes. You almost get the feeling during the film that it is turning into a fad to commit suicide. I certainly get that feeling with these shooters. You also get the ominous feeling during the film that it is just going to continue to get worse...

There is no doubt that school shootings and suicide clusters have some underlying similarities.   Both are most prevalent with teens and not related to anything that would objectively appear to warrant such extreme actions.  They usually occurred in communities where word would spread via local news and word of mouth.   Now we have social media, so the audience is much larger.

 

Another problem with some of the school shooters is that the signs of mental illness we see with older people just isn't evident in some.   We see signs after the fact, but many of these signs are apparent in young people who do nothing wrong.   It's hard to determine what is and isn't mental illness in a teenager.  

 

School shootings are now a phenomenon that has taken on a life of its own.