Thaksin wants to return home, says Chavalit

[KiwiKiwi]

25 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

Life is full of surprises.   Leave it at that. Over & out.   Next topic

 

Nah, I'll pass. Thanks anyway.

[soalbundy]

37 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

"When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.  Say something once, why say it again?"    Talking Heads "Psycho Killer."

A little known musical obviously, still it makes a change when someone brings in a little culture now and again.

[Wilsonandson]

Thaksin and Yingluck can return to Thailand anytime they like. It's just the reception won't be a friendly one. A bit like when Ben Aquino went back to the Phillipines.

[Eric Loh]

22 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

and a large envelope to be shared amongst the cabinet

Knowing the junta, they will take it. 

[sawadee1947]

7 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

yeah right, save it all............ for himself!

And now? All for PM and cronies. 

There was never a better economic climate than with Thaksin. Corruption belongs to Thailand in the same way as Big Ben to London. Better a bit of corruption and a blooming economy than no economy. Also with Thaksin we didn't have as much Soi dogs. I will have a guest room ready 

[wvavin]

Ok, ok, Chavalit, we have heard you and you can go home now!

[JAG]

4 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said:

Besides, USA do Freemasons the same way they do everything else.

Loudly, vulgarly, and in extremely large portions?

[metisdead]

Posts and replies containing Royal family comments have been removed. 

[candide]

3 hours ago, mike324 said:

Thaksin changed the law which enable him to sell his company. Large telecommunication companies were not suppose to have over 50% foreign ownership in Thailand.

I know, but the post I responded to was referring to tax exemption, which is a law that is often attributed to Thaksin by anti-Thaksin posters in this forum. 

Edited May 19, 2018 by candide

[KiwiKiwi]

21 minutes ago, JAG said:

Loudly, vulgarly, and in extremely large portions?

Close enough. I was thinking badly and superficially but your suggestion has more merit.

Edited May 19, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Nah, I'll pass. Thanks anyway.

 

Nah, I'll pass too, for a different reason, this all comes from the comment ranting of someone well past use by date  -  I know he wants to come home, he didn't say so but I can hear it in his voice.

 

Then the same character says he should come home and sell rice  -  what an ironic comment, mixing the shin family with rice.  

 

Good night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KiwiKiwi]

5 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Nah, I'll pass too, for a different reason, this all comes from the comment ranting of someone well past use by date  -  I know he wants to come home, he didn't say so but I can hear it in his voice.

 

Then the same character says he should come home and sell rice  -  what an ironic comment, mixing the shin family with rice.  

 

Good night.

 

 

 

I imagine you'll dream of the millions of Thais who'll vote for Thaksin for as long as he makes them feel good.

 

Unlike Prayuth & Co who appear to believe they're the only ones with that right.

 

Apart from that, I think I probably agree with you - past his use-by date. Np longer relvant except as glue or some such.

 

Sleep well.

 

[bangrak]

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

What I posted was covered by the media. 

 

Sensible for Thaksin to try tame the military especially the strong influence of the Burapha Group. No elected government feel secured when coups are regular feature of Thailand politics. 

 

 

Khun Eric, thank the Lord, this is the, real, you, not the pale illiterate staff posting in your name, I hope you're doing well, as does your firm, taking good care of the same wealthy clients' clan as before!

I woud like it so much to have some time an un-prejudiced exchange with you, void of (obligatory?) bias and (one-sided) looks on events. I have no doubt your mind is as deep as a Zimbabwean mine, as clear as a Myanmarese precious stone, as rich as ... well, let me stop the ditirambic bits, I'd love to see you speak for yourself, for once, please, or do you sleep in and wake up as a 'legal expert'? No doubt, your main client likes that idea, but you, your individual?

[thailand49]

Personally, the storm is coming and so is he whether the current leaders allows him or not.

[bangrak]

6 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

I imagine you'll dream of the millions of Thais who'll vote for Thaksin for as long as he makes them feel good.

 

Unlike Prayuth & Co who appear to believe they're the only ones with that right.

 

Apart from that, I think I probably agree with you - past his use-by date. Np longer relvant except as glue or some such.

 

Sleep well.

 

Can you please further explain how '...as long as he makes them feel good...', 'feel good', ...as a few banknotes in the pocket, ...like for a vote, or so? No, not for all, of course, that'd be too expensive, and there are the structured lemming red communities for the masses, no just 'where it counts', the odd few million votes to secure a majority, ever thought of it like that, did you? Guess not.

As for the worst you might think about Prayuth and his aeropage of brass clad vulture sabre draggers, you're still way under my feelings, ...as you probably never believed in him, while I (who cares, a Farang) feel, deeply betrayed by him, little problem being about all Thais I know seem to feel the same...

[bangrak]

4 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

Personally, the storm is coming and so is he whether the current leaders allows him or not.

You sound like the guys from TMD, disaster mitigation, the RID, all with a(?) finger in their ...nose: 'it is going to rain in Thailand', LOL, where, when, how much, just don't ask (they don't have a clue, just a fat, well paid job, with no responsibility, and a couple of gasping mia nois, and the adapted ego). I don't think you have the same kind of 'advantages', making your forecasts even more 'gratuitous', IMO that is... Hve another one on me, just make sure you're safe to drive, OK? 

[bangrak]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Knowing the junta, they will take it. 

Khun Eric, you knowing 'all things Shins'' in Thailand so well, what are you saying? That the Shins' envelopes (bags, donut boxes, you name it) are so much larger in size it is hard to say no to their, ...corruption, attempts, or what..., please specify.

[KiwiKiwi]

8 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Can you please further explain how '...as long as he makes them feel good...', 'feel good', ...as a few banknotes in the pocket, ...like for a vote, or so? No, not for all, of course, that'd be too expensive, and there are the structured lemming red communities for the masses, no just 'where it counts', the odd few million votes to secure a majority, ever thought of it like that, did you? Guess not.

As for the worst you might think about Prayuth and his aeropage of brass clad vulture sabre draggers, you're still way under my feelings, ...as you probably never believed in him, while I (who cares, a Farang) feel, deeply betrayed by him, little problem being about all Thais I know seem to feel the same...

 

 

2nd point 1st. I sympathise. I never had any time of hopes for the man, but then I imagine my feelings about Thais are pretty common knowledge. No hopes = no disappointment.

 

I think I understand Thaksin's approach vis-a-vis the red Isann-ese. He made them feel good about themselves whereas the BKK mob made them feel like Kwai. Thaksin gave them at least the beginnings of a sense of identity, of worth, something which Prayuth and co (and their sponsors) could not do for as long as their bums point downwards. The problem is that the Redshirts have let down the people. Several conversations with one of the senior redshirts close to where I live saw me walking away, shaking my head. That they have proved to be at least as useless as the Thais collectively comes as no surprise. The only way to win this war was to have treated it as a war, and the Reds were just square pegs in round holes - chocolat teapots all in that regard.

 

That's pretty much when I stopped giving a damn and started to see Thais as I believe they are, not as their cultural self-appraisal would have all foreigners see them. Better things to do with my time than give a toss about useless people.

[KiwiKiwi]

8 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Khun Eric, you knowing 'all things Shins'' in Thailand so well, what are you saying? That the Shins' envelopes (bags, donut boxes, you name it) are so much larger in size it is hard to say no to their, ...corruption, attempts, or what..., please specify.

 

I know the comment wasn't made to me, please forgive the impertinence.

 

You confuse the wrapping with the chocolate. Thaksin did give the rural Thais something, and the southern and bangkok thais hated it. Therefore they made allegations against him of seeking to usurp the almighty. Nonsense of course, but the propaganda Thais have been subject to for all their lives. meant they were believed. Sad really. Delusional. In a sane culture they would be considered very odd indeed.

Edited May 19, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[bangrak]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

I am not a tax expert but I am positively sure that all proceeds from share transaction are not taxable. Any profit from shares are declared in your personal or company tax. That’s how I deal with my shares. 

'I am not a tax expert but...', yes, Khun Eric: 'but' still you have 'the' (erm ...?!) answer, isn't it? Just asked the specialist in fiscal law in the office next to yours, didn't you? Sooo obvious, but as long as TV tolerates your, I dare to assume,  tariffed interventions here, what can I say? Maybe just that, how obvious they might be, your posts (as long as really being yours, personally) have a pleasant elegance in the verb, perverted or not, that I would miss...

Edited May 19, 2018 by bangrak

[KiwiKiwi]

3 minutes ago, bangrak said:

'I am not a tax expert but...', yes, Khun Eric: 'but' still you have 'the' (erm ...?!) answer, isn't it? Just asked the specialist in fiscal law in the office next to yours, didn't you? Sooo obvious, but as long as TV tolerates your, I dare to assume,  tariffed interventions here, what can I say? Maybe just that, how obvious they might be, your posts (as long as really being yours, personally) have a pleasant elegance in the verb, perverted or not, that I would miss...

Indeed share transactions were either free of tax or subject to a reduced rate to benefit the wealthy and protect their bargain with the on high.

 

Where the Shins went wrong was in seeking to maximise the profit by minimising the cost. The shares were distributed as a notional peppercorn price and then sold on to Temasek ast full market value.

 

The richest of the risch wanted their links with the on-high to remain, and the attempt to suborn the errant sone by paying off gambling debts was frowned upon as currying favour. It was always going to end in tears, though I imagine it is still possible that Thaksin has some markers he can call in. His stryle is and was to know where the bodies are buried...

[bangrak]

2 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

You confuse the wrapping with the chocolate. Thaksin did give the rural Thais something, and the southern and bangkok thais hated it. Therefore they made allegations against him of seeking to usurp the almighty. Nonsense of course, but the propaganda Thais have been subject to for all their lives. meant they were believed. Sad really. Delusional. In a sane culture they would be considered very odd indeed.

Don't tell a Belgian guy about chocolate, you fake Cadbury fan! LOL. 'Sad really. Delusional.' you must be to dare come up again with totally worn-off, and proved damn wrong, drivel like: 'Thaksin did give the rural Thais something...', the more so when you'd think it would have been a Setang from his pocket, and not mega Billions from the ...modal ...Thai ...taxpayers, who, for their immense majority do live in the Central, and Southern, regions. When it would be your money thrown 'away' in deep pockets(!), and in the huge drain of assisted folks N-N/E has, alas become, you wouldn't 'hate it', would you? Is it?  ...Is it?

[bangrak]

18 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

 

2nd point 1st. I sympathise. I never had any time of hopes for the man, but then I imagine my feelings about Thais are pretty common knowledge. No hopes = no disappointment.

 

I think I understand Thaksin's approach vis-a-vis the red Isann-ese. He made them feel good about themselves whereas the BKK mob made them feel like Kwai. Thaksin gave them at least the beginnings of a sense of identity, of worth, something which Prayuth and co (and their sponsors) could not do for as long as their bums point downwards. The problem is that the Redshirts have let down the people. Several conversations with one of the senior redshirts close to where I live saw me walking away, shaking my head. That they have proved to be at least as useless as the Thais collectively comes as no surprise. The only way to win this war was to have treated it as a war, and the Reds were just square pegs in round holes - chocolat teapots all in that regard.

 

That's pretty much when I stopped giving a damn and started to see Thais as I believe they are, not as their cultural self-appraisal would have all foreigners see them. Better things to do with my time than give a toss about useless people.

Pity you seem not to realise there was no such thing as 'red Isannese' or 'red shirts' till dear Thaksin took the strategical decision to organise his followership together with the bottom of the trashcan of other (always) discontent, a bit inactive by heritage, people, and other remains of political extremists, ...like the communists from dye-hard 'leaders' Drs. Weng and Thida, who are actually, no joke at the origin of the choice of the red colour for the 'movement' (what's in a name), as si nequa non condition for them to participate (look it up, this is true) to the stinking divisive plans of the Shins, in 2009 when I'm correct. Ah, facts ....

[KiwiKiwi]

9 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Don't tell a Belgian guy about chocolate, you fake Cadbury fan! LOL. 'Sad really. Delusional.' you must be to dare come up again with totally worn-off, and proved damn wrong, drivel like: 'Thaksin did give the rural Thais something...', the more so when you'd think it would have been a Setang from his pocket, and not mega Billions from the ...modal ...Thai ...taxpayers, who, for their immense majority do live in the Central, and Southern, regions. When it would be your money thrown 'away' in deep pockets(!), and in the huge drain of assisted folks N-N/E has, alas become, you wouldn't 'hate it', would you? Is it?  ...Is it?

 

So far as I'm aware, it isn't necessary or compulsory to agree with me. I think I'm right, you don't, you prefer to think something else. That's OK.

 

Just don't talk to me of drivel because you haven't earned that right. Be polite, even Belgians know what that is I imagine...

[KiwiKiwi]

1 minute ago, bangrak said:

Pity you seem not to realise there was no such thing as 'red Isannese' or 'red shirts' till dear Thaksin took the strategical decision to organise his followership together with the bottom of the trashcan of other (always) discontent, a bit inactive by heritage, people, and other remains of political extremists, ...like the communists from dye-hard 'leaders' Drs. Weng and Thida, who are actually, no joke at the origin of the choice of the red colour for the 'movement' (what's in a name), as si nequa non condition for them to participate (look it up, this is true) to the stinking divisive plans of the Shins, in 2009 when I'm correct. Ah, facts ....

 

<sigh> Should I have said 'the people who were later to become redhirts? Would that make you happy? If so, then be happy playing games with timelines, I don't have the inclination.

 

*yawn* Carry on...

 

[bangrak]

1 minute ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

So far as I'm aware, it isn't necessary or compulsory to agree with me. I think I'm right, you don't, you prefer to think something else. That's OK.

 

Just don't talk to me of drivel because you haven't earned that right. Be polite, even Belgians know what that is I imagine...

They do, and are quite open for different opinions, ...but when people refuse the truth of facts, I must say Belgians can become quite abrupt, though still not rude. One needs to stand up for the truth of facts in such a small, diverse, country, you know. Do you mean you didn't know about the creation, and financing, of the 'red shirts'' movement, nor about its aims? No prob with me, learning from facts never hurts, 'admitting ones' ignorance is the first step to knowledge' said some old Greek philosopher, who is remembered now 3,000 years later, what will it be with your Thaksin and his tribe of vultures ...?

[bangrak]

5 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

<sigh> Should I have said 'the people who were later to become redhirts? Would that make you happy? If so, then be happy playing games with timelines, I don't have the inclination.

 

*yawn* Carry on...

 

No games, on my side, just that 'a fact is worth more than a Lord Mayor', and who said that one, help me KiwiKiwi please  ;-))

[KiwiKiwi]

7 minutes ago, bangrak said:

No games, on my side, just that 'a fact is worth more than a Lord Mayor', and who said that one, help me KiwiKiwi please  ;-))

No idea and I don't really care. What I care about is this nice cup of coffee... which I propose to enjoy without thinking of anything or anyone Belgian. This conversation has outlived its usefulness. If you want me to say you're right, then you're right.

 

OK Now?

[tukkytuktuk]

48 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Khun Eric, you knowing 'all things Shins'' in Thailand so well, what are you saying? That the Shins' envelopes (bags, donut boxes, you name it) are so much larger in size it is hard to say no to their, ...corruption, attempts, or what..., please specify.

Sorry to butt in old chap but I know that when Yingluck visited a  Knightsbridge store recently she was spotted with 2 million baht pink crocodile Hermes handbag.

 

Back in June 2008, Thailand’s Supreme Court jailed a lawyer and two legal advisers of ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra after an apparent attempt to bribe court officials with $60,000 hidden in a paper grocery bag.

 

But there is also the popcorn bag shooting case. The masked gunman who was seen shooting at redshirt supporters with an assault rifle concealed in a popcorn bag during an anti-government riot in February 2014 was acquitted of the crimes.

 

There is also the poo protester who has been leaving bags of excrement and notes attacking Privy Council President and General Prem Tinsulanonda during the red shirt protesters of 2010.

[sjaak327]

2 hours ago, bangrak said:

Can you please further explain how '...as long as he makes them feel good...', 'feel good', ...as a few banknotes in the pocket, ...like for a vote, or so? No, not for all, of course, that'd be too expensive, and there are the structured lemming red communities for the masses, no just 'where it counts', the odd few million votes to secure a majority, ever thought of it like that, did you? Guess not.

As for the worst you might think about Prayuth and his aeropage of brass clad vulture sabre draggers, you're still way under my feelings, ...as you probably never believed in him, while I (who cares, a Farang) feel, deeply betrayed by him, little problem being about all Thais I know seem to feel the same...

But the writing was on the wall. Prayuth isn't exactly new to this game. It was crystal clear from the beginning what he stands for, who pulls his strings and what to expect. Not to mention the way he grabbed power and the exact moment. Stupid gullible people often refuse to listen to people that do have the whole picture. Hatred always clouds the mind.