End 'hide and seek' Brexit approach, Barnier tells UK

[JAG]

On 5/27/2018 at 11:43 AM, stephenterry said:

...and then what?

It's becoming increasingly obvious that the UK is faced with a stark choice, either tow the line drawn by assorted Brussels nominees, which will entail becoming an effective vassal of the EU administration, or walk away.

 

That's what.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JAG said:

It's becoming increasingly obvious that the UK is faced with a stark choice, either tow the line drawn by assorted Brussels nominees, which will entail becoming an effective vassal of the EU administration, or walk away.

 

That's what.

Its the nature of negotiations. The stronger party get what they want.

 

If you don't like how this  is going, you wait until the negotiations for a free trade agreement with the US start (if this mess ever gets that far).

[stephenterry]

31 minutes ago, JAG said:

It's becoming increasingly obvious that the UK is faced with a stark choice, either tow the line drawn by assorted Brussels nominees, which will entail becoming an effective vassal of the EU administration, or walk away.

 

That's what.

...and then what? Clue: what would you see happening if the UK walks away?

[Rally123]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go, ditch the established market in the hope that we might find something else. 

There you go spreading doom and gloom. There's a whole world out there, outside the EU, just waiting to set up as trading partners.

 

 

Quote

New study shows 105 countries that WANT better trade with UK

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Rally123 said:

There you go spreading doom and gloom. There's a whole world out there, outside the EU, just waiting to set up as trading partners.

 

 

 

Yes there is a whole world out there.

 

The UK is already trading with the whole world while a member of the EU.

 

The EU does not prevent the UK trading with the rest of the world.

 

 

[Rally123]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The EU does not prevent the UK trading with the rest of the world.

The EU only gives the UK trading access  to 50 ish countries outside of its borders. Whereas, as I pointed out, there's 105 ish countries waiting for Brexit.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Rally123 said:

The EU only gives the UK trading access  to 50 ish countries outside of its borders. Whereas, as I pointed out, there's 105 ish countries waiting for Brexit.

Any reputable references for this claim? EU itself has already 26 trading partners. You claim that UK trades with only 24 other countries? Care to name these countries?

 

Or if you mean, UK is allowed to trade only with 50 countries outside of EU, please name those countries as well. 

 

You can use this map as reference 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/internationaltrade/articles/whodoestheuktradewith/2017-02-21

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Guest

[Rally123]

3 hours ago, oilinki said:

Or if you mean, UK is allowed to trade only with 50 countries outside of EU, please name those countries as well. 

Do yer own Google-ing. Same as I had to.

 

3 hours ago, oilinki said:

EU itself has already 26 trading partners. You claim that UK trades with only 24 other countries?

No I didn't.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Rally123 said:

The EU only gives the UK trading access  to 50 ish countries outside of its borders. Whereas, as I pointed out, there's 105 ish countries waiting for Brexit.

The UK trades with the whole world, as a member of the EU the UK enjoys access to EU trading agreements.

 

I'll not argue with you over this being free trade agreements or not, rather of those nations with which the UK has trading agreements through the EU, what percentage do these represent of UK trade and what percentage do they represent of world trade. 

 

I'll not even argue with your 105 nations, the number is an irrelevance, what matters is the size of their economies and the amount of trade the UK might do with them compared to the amount the UK already does with these nations. 

 

Though I do realise you got our figures from the Daily Express, so have some sympathy for your lack of understanding. 

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[JAG]

5 hours ago, stephenterry said:

...and then what? Clue: what would you see happening if the UK walks away?

Oh it will be a  mess. My point is that any outcome of these negotiations is going to be a mess. Barnier and co seem determined to ensure that the UK's sovereignty and economy are damaged however we leave. I frankly see little point in continuing to dance to their tune, when the end result will probably be the same whatever we do.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, stephenterry said:

It would be interesting to read your view when the UK leaves the EU, the Common Market, and the Customs Union as has been the stand of the UK government as at now.  Do you consider that the UK would prosper economically, when the ports on both sides of the channel are jammed with lorries awaiting clearance, when trade deals with any country outside the bloc take several years to negotiate, when sterling further devalues, when jobs are lost, businesses fail, and recently when the nearly bankrupt NHS cannot recruit sufficient doctors and nurses from overseas, because immigrants are rejected by UK immigration policies? 

 

And do you consider, that even if this economic suicide is mitigated by the withdrawal of both of the above red lines, that the general public will support the UK government's deal (or no deal) if parliament rejects it?  

 

What causes me most concern is that May is only considering placating both sides of the Tory party than accepting the impact reality of leaving the EU will make all of the 'people' worse off than at present, according to their own forecasts.   

 

 

 

The "Common Market" was the term commonly misused for the EEC when the UK joined it. The Single Market came later. Unfortunately the EU uses both for control and leverage to thwart events like Brexit, as there is no way to leave the EU and its influence fully, without leaving the CU and SM. Yes I have considered the impacts of leaving and the immediate economic impacts will probably be severe. However, once the EU also considers the loss of their trading revenue (with the UK) I also consider that trade will be eased by a new agreement quite soon after the shock. The protectionist stance of the EU will harm it more in the long-term. Both currencies will lose value in the near and medium- term but ultimately I consider Sterling to come out ahead.   

 

The social and health systems can be manned by appropriate immigration/work permitting, EU or not.

 

I can't comment on public support of the exit deal until it is final.

 

Agree with your concerns about May. There are times when real leadership is missed more than others.