SURVEY: Do you agree with the crackdown on illegals?

[Scott]

There have been a number of topics about the government cracking down on illegal immigrants.  Which of the following best expresses your feelings about the crackdowns?

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

 

Here is at least one thread on the subject :

 

 

[Samui Bodoh]

There is a fundamental truth that every country has the right to control its borders and decide who is permitted to enter and/or stay; it is one of the most basic elements of sovereignty. Thus, if Thailand wants to enact a 'crackdown' on illegals, they have every right to do so.

 

However, as I read the newspaper stories, I can't help but notice that the 'crackdown' seems to be targeted mainly at black people. Again and as above, that is Thailand's right to do so, but it is... a bit icky, to use a technical term. Further, there are legitimate security concerns regarding people travelling to and from Thailand; it has long been a destination for those 'on the run' as well as an international transportation crossroads. Finally, the advent of international terrorism networks mandates that all countries pay a bit more attention to travelers; it is unfortunate but it is simply a fact of life.

 

Overall, I can't help but think of the old adage; "If all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail." The current crackdown on illegals occurs under a military government because, in my view, a military government focuses on 'security' at the expense of other issues. Would we be seeing the same policies if there were a civilian government? I suspect not, or at least not to the same extent. The final point that I would make is that a military government tends to promote 'Nationalism' as one of its primary political talking points; what better way to promote your own government than by blaming "foreigners" for difficulties rather than your own policies and practices? And, if you are going to 'blame' foreigners, you need a steady supply of media attention on foreigners; what better way than a stream of stories about 'illegals'?

 

I suspect that the current 'crackdown' is likely more than is actually needed. It is the right of Thailand to do it, but one has a sneaking suspicion that 'security' is not the only reason for it...

 

Edited June 3, 2018 by Samui Bodoh
Lack of coffee

[KevinCorr]

Could it be for the money from the overstay fines?

 

[evadgib]

Until parity exists in the visa regs (no $$ hoops if Thai spouse is male) their system is anything but fair.

[connda]

I don't necessarily like Thailand's immigration policies, but it is good to see a country that is not hamstrung by it's own political correctness and where the government enforces it's immigration policies.
No nation has to give up it's cultural identity to unregulated immigration. 

[connda]

2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

There is a fundamental truth that every country has the right to control its borders and decide who is permitted to enter and/or stay; it is one of the most basic elements of sovereignty. Thus, if Thailand wants to enact a 'crackdown' on illegals, they have every right to do so.

 

However, as I read the newspaper stories, I can't help but notice that the 'crackdown' seems to be targeted mainly at black people. Again and as above, that is Thailand's right to do so, but it is... a bit icky, to use a technical term. Further, there are legitimate security concerns regarding people travelling to and from Thailand; it has long been a destination for those 'on the run' as well as an international transportation crossroads. Finally, the advent of international terrorism networks mandates that all countries pay a bit more attention to travelers; it is unfortunate but it is simply a fact of life.

 

Overall, I can't help but think of the old adage; "If all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail." The current crackdown on illegals occurs under a military government because, in my view, a military government focuses on 'security' at the expense of other issues. Would we be seeing the same policies if there were a civilian government? I suspect not, or at least not to the same extent. The final point that I would make is that a military government tends to promote 'Nationalism' as one of its primary political talking points; what better way to promote your own government than by blaming "foreigners" for difficulties rather than your own policies and practices? And, if you are going to 'blame' foreigners, you need a steady supply of media attention on foreigners; what better way than a stream of stories about 'illegals'?

 

I suspect that the current 'crackdown' is likely more than is actually needed. It is the right of Thailand to do it, but one has a sneaking suspicion that 'security' is not the only reason for it...

 

Are they targeting 'black people' or are they targeting known criminal elements operating within Thailand who happen to come from the same geographic locations on the globe.  I.e., if the Irish flocked to Sukhumvit and were known for selling drugs and sex trafficking and Immigration targeted those Irish, would they be targeting 'white people'?  Are they targeting skin color or are they targeting ethnicities who disproportionately import criminality?  If Nigerians were known to come to Thailand to party in Pattaya and Phuket, drink beer, spend money, and pick up bar girls as opposed to coming to Thailand to run call center scams would it be different? 
Perception.  That's something to chew on.......

Edited June 3, 2018 by connda

[Anak Nakal]

I think crackdown is publicity.

Easy blame foreigners

[blackcab]

A flame has been removed.

[Boon Mee]

Absolutely! 

The notion that Immigration Laws can be ignored is nuts. 

[mstevens]

I'd like to see a really diligent effort made to weed out all of the Caucasian trouble-makers, criminals on the run, overstayers etc in Thailand.  The impression one gets from the recent articles is that the police are targeting the low-hanging fruit which makes me wonder how serious they really are and whether it's all part of an ongoing dog and pony show.

Edited June 3, 2018 by mstevens

[malagateddy]

Yes..I only wish that the UK Govt would give massive financial support to UKBA in order that they could round up the well over one and a half million illegals in the UK

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[8OA8]

The term "Illegals" is a difficult one to use when referring to fellow human beings. I spoke to someone this morning who was telling me that it was now 7 years that he's been living here in Bangkok. He's one of those that can't return to his country of origin because a fatwa was issued again his whole family, their crime? Whilst working in a hospital the family member as instructed gave an IV saline drip to an elderly man, in order to aid his chances of recovery, now one of that elderly man's childred arrived at the hospital and as it was Ramadan and outwith the permitted hours for taking food, the person that inserted that IV needle, and they along with the whole family was to soon be the subjects of a fatwa ordering their deaths. So being here in Thailand without passport/visa makes him and his family a what? Fortunately Thai Immigration is not targeting him or his family, even though they don't have any UN issued or recognised status here in Thailand.

 

[Oziex1]

Go ahead apply and enforce the law and while your at it how about enforcing all laws.

[evadgib]

21 minutes ago, 8OA8 said:

The term "Illegals" is a difficult one to use when referring to fellow human beings. I spoke to someone this morning who was telling me that it was now 7 years that he's been living here in Bangkok. He's one of those that can't return to his country of origin because a fatwa was issued again his whole family, their crime? Whilst working in a hospital the family member as instructed gave an IV saline drip to an elderly man, in order to aid his chances of recovery, now one of that elderly man's childred arrived at the hospital and as it was Ramadan and outwith the permitted hours for taking food, the person that inserted that IV needle, and they along with the whole family was to soon be the subjects of a fatwa ordering their deaths. So being here in Thailand without passport/visa makes him and his family a what? Fortunately Thai Immigration is not targeting him or his family, even though they don't have any UN issued or recognised status here in Thailand.

 

...an' you fell for it?

Edited June 3, 2018 by evadgib

[Suradit69]

The foreigners make it easy by breaking the law. 

 

I suppose arresting murderers is publicity designed to give hit men a bad public image.

[Gandtee]

1 hour ago, connda said:

I don't necessarily like Thailand's immigration policies, but it is good to see a country that is not hamstrung by it's own political correctness and where the government enforces it's immigration policies.
No nation has to give up it's cultural identity to unregulated immigration. 

Perhaps my country the UK, should have done this years ago and avoided the problems it is facing now.

[worgeordie]

Thailand seems to be like a magnet to criminals fleeing

from from the West, and also for scammers from West

Africa.

I think they should be doing more to stop them entering

Thailand,its a better option than trying to catch them when

they are on the streets.  

 regards worgeordie

[stanleycoin]

Don't agree with the crackdowns of this nature.

Thailand could  use the resources for better use.

68 more dead again today on the roads.

just a little hint, for the better use of resource, I'm sure there are more uses

of the time and money spent. 

 

 

 

[Ceruhe]

As far as the far left in the west tries to indoctrinate us...lemme try.

 

NOOOO! DAAAAAAS RACIST! Also, they are undocumented immigrants because nobody is illegal.

 

 

See, I think I can degenerate just fine. Thanks, too far leftist retards.

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

The term "Illegals" is a difficult one to use when referring to fellow human beings. I spoke to someone this morning who was telling me that it was now 7 years that he's been living here in Bangkok. He's one of those that can't return to his country of origin because a fatwa was issued again his whole family, their crime? Whilst working in a hospital the family member as instructed gave an IV saline drip to an elderly man, in order to aid his chances of recovery, now one of that elderly man's childred arrived at the hospital and as it was Ramadan and outwith the permitted hours for taking food, the person that inserted that IV needle, and they along with the whole family was to soon be the subjects of a fatwa ordering their deaths. So being here in Thailand without passport/visa makes him and his family a what? Fortunately Thai Immigration is not targeting him or his family, even though they don't have any UN issued or recognised status here in Thailand.
 

The story is utter tosh no interpretation of Islam requires a sick person to fast during Ramadan in fact is is opposite.

[scorecard]

39 minutes ago, stanleycoin said:

Don't agree with the crackdowns of this nature.

Thailand could  use the resources for better use.

68 more dead again today on the roads.

just a little hint, for the better use of resource, I'm sure there are more uses

of the time and money spent. 

 

 

 

 

I guess what your really saying is fix just one problem at a time.

 

Would you be outraged if the government / authorities in your original country took that appraoch?

 

I would.

[thurien]

"do you agree with the crackdown on illegals?"

 

YES

[poanoi]

i think everyone should be charged 15k,

and everyone paying 15k will be left alone,

and dissolve immigration office with their corrupt employees.

 

criminalize the misuse of dividing and categorizing  and charging foreigners

based on age/sex/sexual orientation or race

Edited June 3, 2018 by poanoi

[stanleycoin]

57 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

I guess what your really saying is fix just one problem at a time.

 

Would you be outraged if the government / authorities in your original country took that appraoch?

 

I would.

No, I'm talking about priorities.

Just to let you know, all the bad boys have visas,  passports and correct paper work.

Thailand is only interested in the low hanging fruit,   that's easy to pick.

 

Ps I have always felt making references to other countries is just a load of Tosh on TV.

we are in Thailand, well I am   maybe your not. 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 3, 2018 by stanleycoin

[8OA8]

1 hour ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

The story is utter tosh no interpretation of Islam requires a sick person to fast during Ramadan in fact is is opposite.

Look how fortunate you are that lives in an environment that this doesnt happen 

[YouYouYou]

Yep expand and get some of them whiteys too Mr. Joke, especially those overstayers who moan about legal and illegal immigrants in their respective western countries ..yep the hypocritical mob here on TV and elsewhere. We all know at least one eh.

Edited June 3, 2018 by YouYouYou

[stanleycoin]

41 minutes ago, poanoi said:

i think everyone should be charged 15k,

and everyone paying 15k will be left alone,

and dissolve immigration office with their corrupt employees.

Are you suggesting some Immigration officers are a bit Naughty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shame on you 

[scorecard]

2 minutes ago, stanleycoin said:

No, I'm talking about priorities.

Just to let you know, all the bad boys have visas  passports and correct paper work.

Thailand is only interested in the low hanging fruit,   that's easy to pick.

 

Ps I have always felt making references to other countries is just a load of Tosh.

we are in Thailand, well I am   maybe your not. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well IMHO there's a dozen (or more) top priorities in all countries and IMHO one of the top priorities should be, in any country (sorry if it annoys you to mention other countries - in fact comparisons are highly valuable), to keep undesirables out.

 

There will always be those who do get in with seemingly OK documents but are in reality undesirable for one or more of many reasons, IMHO these folks should be discovered by whatever active ongoing checks and deported and blacklisted.

 

Just my opinion and I respect your opinion, but that doesn't I agree with it.

 

 

[stanleycoin]

5 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

 

Well IMHO there's a dozen (or more) top priorities in all countries and IMHO one of the top priorities should be, in any country (sorry if it annoys you to mention other countries - in fact comparisons are highly valuable), to keep undesirables out.

 

There will always be those who do get in with seemingly OK documents but are in reality undesirable for one or more of many reasons, IMHO these folks should be discovered by whatever active ongoing checks and deported and blacklisted.

 

Just my opinion and I respect your opinion, but that doesn't I agree with it.

 

 

what ever mate 

[Antioc]

5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

There is a fundamental truth that every country has the right to control its borders and decide who is permitted to enter and/or stay; it is one of the most basic elements of sovereignty. Thus, if Thailand wants to enact a 'crackdown' on illegals, they have every right to do so.

 

However, as I read the newspaper stories, I can't help but notice that the 'crackdown' seems to be targeted mainly at black people. Again and as above, that is Thailand's right to do so, but it is... a bit icky, to use a technical term. Further, there are legitimate security concerns regarding people travelling to and from Thailand; it has long been a destination for those 'on the run' as well as an international transportation crossroads. Finally, the advent of international terrorism networks mandates that all countries pay a bit more attention to travelers; it is unfortunate but it is simply a fact of life.

 

Overall, I can't help but think of the old adage; "If all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail." The current crackdown on illegals occurs under a military government because, in my view, a military government focuses on 'security' at the expense of other issues. Would we be seeing the same policies if there were a civilian government? I suspect not, or at least not to the same extent. The final point that I would make is that a military government tends to promote 'Nationalism' as one of its primary political talking points; what better way to promote your own government than by blaming "foreigners" for difficulties rather than your own policies and practices? And, if you are going to 'blame' foreigners, you need a steady supply of media attention on foreigners; what better way than a stream of stories about 'illegals'?

 

I suspect that the current 'crackdown' is likely more than is actually needed. It is the right of Thailand to do it, but one has a sneaking suspicion that 'security' is not the only reason for it...

 

You obviously haven't been to countries like Australia, the UK, Hungary etc.  Illegal immigrants from anywhere in the world, regardless of color, race or religion, are "illegal" full stop.  Thailand has just as much right as any Nation to control who comes in and how long they stay.  If the individual disrespects that then don't come here.