Germany declines to hand fugitive monk over to Thai police

[Get Real]

2 hours ago, Cadbury said:

This is the man ultimately responsible for this debacle.

Every picture tells a story. 

Yeah, It say even more in the combination with your 2 sentences.
What it clearly states and says, is that you are trying to shift focus from the case, by instead mocking the person and the whole Thai society for their cultural heritage.

[scorecard]

 

A complex issue.

 

One lesson for Thailand (should have been learned 50 years ago) is to stop promoting police by payoffs and nepotism which results in loads / levels of top cops who don't have the right knowledge / enough knowledge, enough insight, and don't have impressive past high performance, and often have past baggage.. 

 

A study of the tops police forces in the world would no doubt reveal that the tops caps have in essence these factors:

 

- High and impressive and seen knowledge and skills.

- High and impressive and seen analytical capabilities.

- High and impressive seen past performance.

- Totally clean past history. 

 

In the worlds most impressive organizations (private and public*) promotion is based on the above main points.

 

* public - take a look at Singapore (and many other countries); in their police, their military, their ministries, their educational system and more, all based on the factors above, and in public employment 'job for life' ended decades ago, you perform or the system pushes you out, and 'never mind' doesn't exist.  

 

Edited June 6, 2018 by scorecard

[candide]

1 hour ago, LomSak27 said:

Right - We have no clue what the evidence against him is. Is it real or made up? He could be corrupt or totally innocent and a victim of a railroading. Germany will want to evaluate that evidence, so they might actuallly get to see something, unlike you or me. Given the RTP 3 day demand and posse in force, ... theya re going to need a lot of evidence.

Oh right and Thailand and Germany DO NOT HAVE an extradition agreement, so Thailand is going to have to present evidence and HOPE that Germany is in a good mood.

Indeed. The fact that he is related to the UFO temple raises suspicions. I wonder wether the other 6 monks are also related to it.

[Scotssing]

The only person needed on this trip was the lawyer but he got left behind. I guess he would take up too much luggage allowance

[AGareth2]

4 minutes ago, Scotssing said:

The only person needed on this trip was the lawyer but he got left behind. I guess he would take up too much luggage allowance

nah

he skipped the trip as he didn't want to be laughed at

[johng]

18 minutes ago, candide said:

The fact that he is related to the UFO temple raises suspicions.

There are 2 competing  "Buddhist sects" with differing allegiances.

[Aussieroaming]

4 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

nah

he skipped the trip as he didn't want to be laughed at

Nah, he skipped the trip because all 13 of the first class seats were taken

[Sydebolle]

I am not quite clear if I understand all this correctly. The Thai authorities, lead by the Prawit, expect the Germans to return a renegade former Thai monk by giving the Germans three days lead time to decide on the case without having any access to all and actual details. The pending files of Thaksin and Yingluck spring to mind. But maybe the latter are too influential and powerful, compared to this defrocked man of the cloth. 

Anyhow, the very same Prawit was apparently unable (for much longer than three days) to explain the sudden shower of luxury watches so happily raining over him by domestic friends. 

Well, why go for the whales if you can settle with a can of sardines for the same PR effect ?

Having said all this, if the defrocked monk is guilty then he needs to face the music but maybe you do this in chronological order - for once - as only then you're getting the reputation of a caring professional government ...... 

[HHTel]

The Thai justice system has lost all credibility (if ever it had any credibility in the first place) around the world.  Hence any charges brought, whether valid or not, are not believed.  Commit a crime in this country and you have a good chance of persuading another country that you were being victimised for whatever reason.

The authorities only have themselves to blame.

[Lupatria]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The team had been in Germany since Sunday on an urgent mission to retrieve the fugitive monk.

Urgent mission 555! Somebody should have done the homework before sending 13 useless officials on a vacation. Next time, Mr. Watchtower should consider consulting the Mossad to learn how to 'transfer' people from another country...

[Cadbury]

1 hour ago, Get Real said:

Yeah, It say even more in the combination with your 2 sentences.
What it clearly states and says, is that you are trying to shift focus from the case, by instead mocking the person and the whole Thai society for their cultural heritage.

I think Get Real should get real. Other people didn't seem to have much trouble understanding the message. 

Edited June 6, 2018 by Cadbury

[KiwiKiwi]

4 hours ago, YetAnother said:

idiots, they charge over to a civilized country with a merry band of 13 and expect to have everything their own way;

highlighting their stupidity all these vital details should have been identified and cleared long before, as much as we detest lawyers, there should have been legal consult by those with background in intl law as well as background with germany

 

It's really hard to fathom the underlying assumptions of these guys. 2months? do it in 3 days, Mr Piggy says so.

 

Pretty hard to take them seriously, unless the news release is only intended for Thailand of course, then it becomes a part of the propaganda.

 

 

Edited June 6, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[Oziex1]

1 hour ago, connda said:

When the Thai people catch drift that Germany is offering asylum to those fleeing prosecution (persecution) from a military junta who overthrew the democratically elected government and implemented their own, well, if an allege criminal embezzler can claim asylum in order to live in a 'free society', then why not the average Thai people?  If people catch that loophole, then the flood gates to a 'better life' in the EU may open.  There is a pretty low bar to fleeing prosecution (persecution): simple organize a pro-democracy demonstration and wait to be threatened with arrest, document, fly to Germany at the first change, apply for asylum. 

He has not received asylum.  The German authorities are just applying an appropriate procedure. Instead of just throwing him to the 13 member wolf pack that has arrived at their door.

[Srikcir]

2 hours ago, varun said:

"Monks" parading around in the name of Buddhism are greedy, money-grubbing & conniving pedophiles that deserve all the negative publicity they get.

Each and everyone of them should be publicly named and shamed.

They're a disgrace to the true principles of Buddhism.

I say kick them to the curb when they come around to your house, begging for free food. 

This recent video is how they should be treated.

 

 

 

Lovely.

Cite the Great Compassion Mantra. Response - it means great compassion.

Guy says he's from China. Ask him to recite Da Bei Zhou.

[holy cow cm]

They need to do an exchange. Prawit for the monk. I am sure he had a German time piece in his collection throwing shame on Germany. . 

[Bill Miller]

2 hours ago, OJAS said:

While the Germans appear to be dragging their feet over deporting this monk back to Thailand, they certainly don't appear to be dragging their feet over deporting the Catalan ex-President back to Spain!

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/german-prosecutors-apply-puigdemont-extradition-180601115207294.html

 

Still, I suppose that what's more important to the Germans than the application of double standards in these 2 cases is that EU chums on mainland Europe must be seen to be sticking together in the face of Brexit!

Completely incorrect. The article you set a link to indicated that Puigdemont was arrested upon arrival back in March. The German government has just now applied for extradition back to Spain upon reciept of eveidence.
The "renegade" monk has been demanded to be turned over to the junta in three days.
How can you possibly  state "foot dragging" and "double standards"?
In both cases Germany is acting in accordance with the rule of law.

[Srikcir]

Even if Germany denies asylum, that may not automatically lead to the monk's transfer to Thai authorities for extradition.

He might be allowed to legally leave Germany and enter for the purpose of seeking asylum other EU countries such as France that has the highest number of Buddhists in the EU at 0.5% of population (vs India at 0.8%), or other nearby countries such as Norway at 0.6% - predicated of course upon recipient country's willingness to accept monk's application for asylum. 

 

 

[lensta]

4 hours ago, Cadbury said:

This is the man ultimately responsible for this debacle.

Every picture tells a story. 

He kinda looks like one of those little cement garden gnomes that people used to have in their garden.

[KiwiKiwi]

2 minutes ago, lensta said:

He kinda looks like one of those little cement garden gnomes that people used to have in their garden.

 

He seems to about as much nous as a garden gnome as well.

Edited June 6, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[thaichiro]

Talk about losing face... wonder how this lot will handle rejection. More difficult to get a gun there!

[thaichiro]

Of course it’s all for show anyway.. all they really want is the dough.

[merijn]

37 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Even if Germany denies asylum, that may not automatically lead to the monk's transfer to Thai authorities for extradition.

He might be allowed to legally leave Germany and enter for the purpose of seeking asylum other EU countries such as France that has the highest number of Buddhists in the EU at 0.5% of population (vs India at 0.8%), or other nearby countries such as Norway at 0.6% - predicated of course upon recipient country's willingness to accept monk's application for asylum. 

 

 

This is not correct.

Asylum has to applied for in the county of first entry. (Germany)

If this country refuses asylum he cannot retry this again in another EU country. 

He would be send back to Germany as they handled the asylum.

[thedivezone]

3 hours ago, OJAS said:

While the Germans appear to be dragging their feet over deporting this monk back to Thailand, they certainly don't appear to be dragging their feet over deporting the Catalan ex-President back to Spain!

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/german-prosecutors-apply-puigdemont-extradition-180601115207294.html

 

Still, I suppose that what's more important to the Germans than the application of double standards in these 2 cases is that EU chums on mainland Europe must be seen to be sticking together in the face of Brexit!

Puigdemont arrived and was arrested in Germany on 25 march, according to my calender over two months ago which incidentally is exactly the time frame  the german authorities told the thai police the extradition process would take.

Nice try for trying to turn this into a Brexit topic, though.?

[Srikcir]

6 minutes ago, merijn said:

This is not correct.

Asylum has to applied for in the county of first entry. (Germany)

If this country refuses asylum he cannot retry this again in another EU country. 

He would be send back to Germany as they handled the asylum.

Not even under a negative asylum notice ?

[nahkit]

6 hours ago, JAG said:

It's very simple: a gang of high ranking policemen (including the national police chief) turn up demanding to interrogate him, insisting that he is handed over within three days. They are from a junta government, with a record of suspicious death in custody of people who were close to the establishment and fell foul of it. That should be enough, no matter what he is accused of/has done.

So they're not allowed to ask for him back then?

[nahkit]

Just now, Srikcir said:

Not even under a negative asylum notice ?

 

8 minutes ago, merijn said:

This is not correct.

Asylum has to applied for in the county of first entry. (Germany)

If this country refuses asylum he cannot retry this again in another EU country. 

He would be send back to Germany as they handled the asylum.

His country of first entry was Laos, followed by Qatar.

[Get Real]

1 hour ago, Cadbury said:

I think Get Real should get real. Other people didn't seem to have much trouble understanding the message. 

Noted! But, It was only a thought. right?

[Tchooptip]

Not sure the German police will understand why those Thai policemen came as a football team! 

[thedivezone]

 

 

11 minutes ago, nahkit said:

 

His country of first entry was Laos, followed by Qatar.

Laos and Qatar are in Europe now ?

[puck2]

10 minutes ago, nahkit said:

 

His country of first entry was Laos, followed by Qatar.

Does Laos belong to the EU ????

(Think and guess again).