Merkel seeks EU migrant talks as German coalition crisis looms - paper

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Merkel seeks EU migrant talks as German coalition crisis looms - paper

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel speaks during the "70 Years of Social Market Economy" anniversary event at the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy in Berlin, Germany, June 15, 2018. REUTERS/Michele Tantussi/File Photo

 

BERLIN (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel, struggling to avert a crisis within her coalition on migrant policy, is trying to set up a meeting of some EU states to discuss the issue before a leaders summit on June 28-29, a German newspaper reported on Sunday.

 

Citing government sources from representatives of several EU states, top-selling Bild reported on its website that Merkel wanted to discuss possible solutions with Greece, Italy and Austria.

 

"It is not yet agreed, we are in the planning phase. It is also unclear exactly when this special summit would take place," a member of the Italian government told Bild. The paper added that next weekend might be one possibility.

 

A German government spokesperson was not immediately available to comment on the report.

 

EU states are deeply divided on how to deal with large numbers of people fleeing conflict, especially from the Middle East. The issue has come to a head in the last week with a new Italian government refusing to let a ship carrying hundreds of migrants dock at its ports.

 

Merkel is adamant that migrant policy can only be effectively agreed and implemented at the European level and is at loggerheads with her own conservative Bavarian allies and her Interior Minister who want unilateral action.

 

The Bavarians have threatened to defy Merkel and on Monday go ahead with plans which she has sought to block. Under the minister's proposal, Germany would send back migrants who have already registered in other EU countries.

 

This would undermine Merkel's authority as it represents a reversal of her 2015 open-door approach, and would also be a blow to the EU's Schengen open-border system.

 

Merkel has asked the Bavarian conservatives to give her two weeks to come up with bilateral deals with some countries, like Italy and Greece, similar to one agreed between Turkey and the EU in 2016.

 

Bild said it was unclear whether Spain and other countries from the Balkans would take part in Merkel's meeting.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-06-17

[JimmyTheMook]

This lady really crushed the Germanic dream.

 

Perhaps she can work as an immigration consultant for the folks in Paris? 

[ezzra]

In her zeal to let in as many immigrant in on top of the 1.6 millions that already in Germany, she is in danger of losing her premiership with her shakey majority as many Germans are fed up with the over influx of those newcomers and the steep increase in crime rates and the refusal of Merkel to send back thousands of illegals who are not entitled to stay, they are to vote in the CSU party that advocate for more balanced approach to the refugees problems...

[mokwit]

Slimy flip flopping political eel. The sooner she is gone the better.

[DoctorG]

It is always the "little people" who end up paying for politicians' stupidity.

[sweatalot]

Seems this lady is not able to learn.

A danger for her country - may be for the west.

[meinphuket]

She is the devil incarnate. She singlehandedly, without consultation at the EU level,  invited immigrants to come. More than a million did. Many spilling over into neighbouring countries, saddling those nations with immense cultural problems, murders, rapes, criminality and costs.

 

Now, after the fact, this demon claims that '

 

'Merkel is adamant that migrant policy can only be effectively agreed and implemented at the European level' 

 

To he*>  with her, and may she be replaced next week. And may the EU bullies like France, Germany stop pretending they run the EU ! Macron, Merkel you don't represent me or others, only your own ilk ! Look at the (invevitable, justified) rise of the right wing dominated nations.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, sweatalot said:

Seems this lady is not able to learn.

A danger for her country - may be for the west.

 

I don't think it's a learning issue. She is arrogant and refuses to loose face and admit she was wrong. She believes she knows what's best for people regardless of any elections results, opinion polls or different opinions. She has her vision of Europe, shared by her political allies in and outside of Germany and nothing will deter her from trying to achieve that.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, meinphuket said:

She is the devil incarnate. She singlehandedly, without consultation at the EU level,  invited immigrants to come. More than a million did. Many spilling over into neighbouring countries, saddling those nations with immense cultural problems, murders, rapes, criminality and costs.

 

Now, after the fact, this demon claims that '

 

'Merkel is adamant that migrant policy can only be effectively agreed and implemented at the European level' 

 

To he*>  with her, and may she be replaced next week. And may the EU bullies like France, Germany stop pretending they run the EU ! Macron, Merkel you don't represent me or others, only your own ilk ! Look at the (invevitable, justified) rise of the right wing dominated nations.

"Merkel is adamant that migrant policy can only be effectively agreed and implemented at the European level' 

 

She wants, is committed to and believes in a Federal Europe governed by Germany. That's always been the long term agenda. The French foolishly think they'll be allowed to be joint bosses of this "new Europe". But German economic might, carefully crafted by the Allies after WW11, helped by the Euro introduction, is a mighty weapon in her armory.

 

At some point it will either be a Federal closely integrated Europe with EU level Ministers running EU budgets and national MP's being local councilors, and a multicultural EU that respects the cultures and traditions of new immigrants whilst destroying it's own in the attempt to create a new EU identity; or it will all break up and not necessarily orderly, as the masses of people wake up and get fed up with politicians dictating how it will be rather than representing them and their views.

[micmichd]

This self-proclaimed German-European Super Nanny failed to harmonize German welfare principles even within the EU.

Germany should step back to Bismarck's idea of creating a social security system for the working people only. It's expensive enough, and the working people in Germany don't see any reason why they should pay taxes for an additional nanny state designed to feed the non-working part of the German population (Germany's "White Trash")

[Ralf61]

2 hours ago, DoctorG said:

It is always the "little people" who end up paying for politicians' stupidity. 

It's not stupidity, it's a well orchestrated plan, going on for about 40 years: Islamisation of Europe, as the Christians are on retreat...

[Ralf61]

4 hours ago, JimmyTheMook said:

Perhaps she can work as an immigration consultant for the folks in Paris? 

I'd prefer sending her to Bangkok. No visa hassle anymore for us farangs...

[simple1]

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

the refusal of Merkel to send back thousands of illegals who are not entitled to stay,

Don't believe, care to confirm with actual quote from Merkel

[abrahamzvi]

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

In her zeal to let in as many immigrant in on top of the 1.6 millions that already in Germany, she is in danger of losing her premiership with her shakey majority as many Germans are fed up with the over influx of those newcomers and the steep increase in crime rates and the refusal of Merkel to send back thousands of illegals who are not entitled to stay, they are to vote in the CSU party that advocate for more balanced approach to the refugees problems...

Let me correct you, To start with there are far less than 1.6 millions of refugees in Germany. Further, it has been proven statistically that the increase in criminality is not only due to the influx of refugees, but mostly due to the unfortunate trend, Secondly, it is wrong too say that Mrs. Merkel refuses to send back illegal persons not entitled to stay in Germany. This responsibility lies with the federal states and not with the federal government headed by Mrs. Merkel and in most cases such illegals are not sent back due to their countries refusing to take them back.I suggest you check your facts rather than follow cheap popular propaganda 

[abrahamzvi]

7 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

Let me correct you, To start with there are far less than 1.6 millions of refugees in Germany. Further, it has been proven statistically that the increase in criminality is not only due to the influx of refugees, but mostly due to the unfortunate trend, Secondly, it is wrong too say that Mrs. Merkel refuses to send back illegal persons not entitled to stay in Germany. This responsibility lies with the federal states and not with the federal government headed by Mrs. Merkel and in most cases such illegals are not sent back due to their countries refusing to take them back.I suggest you check your facts rather than follow cheap popular propaganda 

 

4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Swedish Sex Education material now is produced with the male always depicted as being of African descent and the women clearly white Scandinavian, without any variation throughout."

 

Seems unlikely to me.  Hopefully there are Swedish posters that can confirm or deny this.

I don't and can't believe this awful racial propaganda. Quite frankly, I thought that we in Europe have learnt from experience what racialism can lead to. It seems I have been wrong,,,,

[mokwit]

Just now, abrahamzvi said:

 

I don't and can't believe this awful racial propaganda. Quite frankly, I thought that we in Europe have learnt from experience what racialism can lead to. It seems I have been wrong,,,,

Yes you are right, if they had a mix of all races both male and female equally paired it would not have been awful racial propaganda. In the form that it was, it is, with one ethnicity always in the male role and one in the female it is indeed awful racial propaganda.

[sead]

One step towards stoping the immigration is telling Trump to stop bombing everywhere. Making Europe destabilized. Getting rid of the old armory so he can get new money for new toys. But naah. He cant be that clever that he does all this because he wants Usa to be on top

[Kiwiken]

The problem to me in Germany is the same problem as is seen in many other Democratic states. Change is driven by political ideology and little concern is paid to the murmuring of the general populace.

If these leaders and those elected to represent the people took the time to actually ask the people.

Then all of Our Nations would be more tolerant to whatever number of those we accepted in.

As it is now all our Populations have these poor people foisted on us with little regard that it is also Our hard earned tax dollars these at the top are spending.

I wonder if they actually asked the population whether We wanted our Tax moneys spent on resettling others in Our Nations or spending and equal amount to help their Nations what the result might be.

Carrying on as Governments are now One Day will cause a huge backlash.

History teaches us these are never nice.

Governments today are making the rod with which we will beat them.

And yet the result might be so much different if they bothered just to ask.

[mokwit]

Just now, Blue Muton said:

That's a round about way of admitting that your original statement was a lie.

I don't know why I am bothering here, but can all you calling me a liar locate now any single web page you looked at in the last 2 or 3 years? Unless you can access any page you remember looking at I suggest you are not so quick to call me a liar. I am sorry, but i am not going to spend my time looking for the links to appease progressives.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, altcar bob said:

 

Do not need to confirm what Merkel,did/did not say.  Merkel does not need to say or do anything,events are moving rapidly away from Merkels sphere of influence, Bavarian election soon, see how far Merkels power is slipping away,public resentment is rising.  The muslim immigrants will be rounded up and separated from general population and returned home

So it's OK to post misinformation - do not agree. In addition thanks for showing your true colours of extremism. I am over people like you posting hate messages.

[Aupee]

3 hours ago, mokwit said:

It will break up as it is forcing something completely unnatural on the populations.

 

The bookseller made good Schulze was on record as saying that to succeed the EU must "eliminate cultural, ethnic and National identity'. Additionally Sarkozy said that if the ethnic groups do not intermarry then they must be coerced into doing so.  Swedish Sex Education material now is produced with the male always depicted as being of African descent and the women clearly white Scandinavian, without any variation throughout. It seems Coudenhove Kalergi's plan is not internet conspiracy theory. it is actually being implemented, although not for the elites themselves, and certainly not for THEIR daughters.

 

I just don't think people of any nation/ethnicity/culture are going to sit by and have this done to them and we are seeing the start of the pushback.

No the push back started with Britex. The majority in Britex was caused by the fear of excessive immigration. Because of Her attitude of come on in your all welcome to live off our backs

[darksidedog]

A number of off topic posts and replies have been removed.

A troll post has also been taken down.

Stick to the topic please. I will be most unhappy if I have to remove anything else from this thread.

[Morch]

On 6/17/2018 at 11:56 AM, Baerboxer said:

 

I don't think it's a learning issue. She is arrogant and refuses to loose face and admit she was wrong. She believes she knows what's best for people regardless of any elections results, opinion polls or different opinions. She has her vision of Europe, shared by her political allies in and outside of Germany and nothing will deter her from trying to achieve that.

 

 

 

If she didn't have enough political support (whether by forming a coalition or not, doesn't matter), she wouldn't be in a position to advance any policies. The above kinda reads a lot  like "knowing best what's for people regardless of elections results".

[Grouse]

A real paucity of good solutions  here? Easy enough to criticise, not so easy to come up with equitable solutions.

 

Maybe we stop destroying countries and help them develop?

 

Economic migration will be an increasing problem and we need some great ideas!

 

Personally, I favour making EU countries less welcoming. Ban mosques, Aladdin panto outfits and halal food for starters. Must have a job and be able to converse in the local language within 3 months .....

[tomacht8]

I agree that Europe can not accommodate the poor all over Africa.
Strong external borders are fast to realize.
I would estimate that over 80% are economic refugees. The real war refugees should find refuge.
But only on time.
No automatic naturalization.
I am also against the naturalization of Islamists who have no interest at all to adapt to the culture of the host country. I am also in favor of quickly rejecting pseudo asilantes and returning them to their home countries.
Also, the NGO ships should be punished to save the so-called distress victims.
People deliberately bring themselves in distress.

In fact, these NGO ships are the agents of the tugs.
It has to be concluded that EU passports are handed out like lottery tickets after only 2 years.
if Merkel does not understand that very quickly, she has to leave.
Brexit is her fault, too. We urgently need a clear and united Europe.

Clear boundaries, controlled migration and clear rules.

Europe uniform.

 

[simple1]

4 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

I agree that Europe can not accommodate the poor all over Africa.
Strong external borders are fast to realize.
I would estimate that over 80% are economic refugees. The real war refugees should find refuge.
But only on time.
No automatic naturalization.
I am also against the naturalization of Islamists who have no interest at all to adapt to the culture of the host country. I am also in favor of quickly rejecting pseudo asilantes and returning them to their home countries.
Also, the NGO ships should be punished to save the so-called distress victims.
People deliberately bring themselves in distress.

In fact, these NGO ships are the agents of the tugs.
It has to be concluded that EU passports are handed out like lottery tickets after only 2 years.
if Merkel does not understand that very quickly, she has to leave.
Brexit is her fault, too. We urgently need a clear and united Europe.

Clear boundaries, controlled migration and clear rules.

Europe uniform.

 

You've made a number of assertions, e.g. "EU passports are handed out like lottery tickets after only 2 years"; got links from credible source/s to back them up.

 

"Also, the NGO ships should be punished to save the so-called distress victims".

 

Don't forget EU country navies have off loaded rescued people to NGO vessels for treatment and eventual landing at EU ports.

Edited June 27, 2018 by simple1

[abrahamzvi]

On 6/28/2018 at 5:45 AM, simple1 said:

You've made a number of assertions, e.g. "EU passports are handed out like lottery tickets after only 2 years"; got links from credible source/s to back them up.

 

"Also, the NGO ships should be punished to save the so-called distress victims".

 

Don't forget EU country navies have off loaded rescued people to NGO vessels for treatment and eventual landing at EU ports.

I entirely disagree with the statement that EU Passports are handed out like lottery tickets. I can't speak for the whole EU, but as far as Germany is concerned, it most certainly is not correct. To the contrary, it has become very difficult to get naturalized in Germany. I beleieve that this refers to quite a few othe EU countries