Vitamin B12 injections

[ginglee]

Hi all........does anyone know where I can get the above please?  All pharmacies used to stock them, but lately can only find tabletes.....Thanks

[The manic]

Any private clinic

[moonseeker]

Dr. OLIVIER Clinic. On Google. Better call first. Regards. MS>

[The manic]

Just now, moonseeker said:

Dr. OLIVIER Clinic. On Google. Better call first. Regards. MS>

Surecell

[AsianAtHeart]

For those needing Vitamin B12, they should be careful to understand more about it.  The typical injections do almost no good at all.  Scientific studies have shown that virtually all of the B12 in them exits the body through the kidneys within 48 hours.  This is because the form administered was cyanocobalamin--the cheapest and most worthless form of B12.  As one source states:

 

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Within 48 hours after injection of 100 or 1000 mcg of vitamin B12, 50 to 98% of the injected dose may appear in the urine. The major portion is excreted within the first eight hours. Intravenous administration results in even more rapid excretion with little opportunity for liver storage.

If you want something more effective, look for adenosylcobalamin, methylcobalamin, or hydroxocobalamin--in about that order.  Do a little research to see why these are better.  Unfortunately, they may be unavailable throughout most of Southeast Asia.

[Hummin]

I had good resoults with methylcobalamin delivered from Iherb. Now levels is good, and I do not take anything more. 

 

Most supplements we take is wasted money, and risks we take! If deficeiency go to doctor and get what you need described and do regulary blood tests! 

 

Some of the things you get over counter here in thailand is in best case a placebo, and in worst case ruin your health. 

[Hummin]

For those who are interested, and for those who is stacked up with everything possible to buy for money to get a better life. 

 

Enough Is Enough: Stop Wasting Money on Vitamin and Mineral Supplements

http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/1789253/enough-enough-stop-wasting-money-vitamin-mineral-supplements

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

For those who are interested, and for those who is stacked up with everything possible to buy for money to get a better life. 

 

Enough Is Enough: Stop Wasting Money on Vitamin and Mineral Supplements

http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/1789253/enough-enough-stop-wasting-money-vitamin-mineral-supplements

That's not true. When I take 1000 mg of vit C daily I don't get colds/ flue. When I stopped I come down with the nasties. Only had 2 colds in 30 years when I stopped taking it.

I take B12 and feel much better than before I started.

[AsianAtHeart]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

That's not true. When I take 1000 mg of vit C daily I don't get colds/ flue. When I stopped I come down with the nasties. Only had 2 colds in 30 years when I stopped taking it.

I take B12 and feel much better than before I started.

Agreed.  There's an anti-vitamin campaign going on by the pharmaceutical interests because they don't want the vitamins displacing their drugs in people's medicine cabinets.  I use vitamin C to control the flow of mucus when I am sick, and it does an excellent job.  A vitamin-B complex that I have really helps me to feel better.  I don't have a good source of B12.  I wish I did.  I think I need it.

 

Too bad humans don't make vitamin C.  Goats can make as much as 13 grams of it in a day.  When I got sick once, I took about 10 grams in one day (500 mg every half hour as long as I was awake) and it cured me in that one day, whereas friends with the same illness had been sick and unable to continue in their normal activities for an entire week.  (For any who wish to do likewise, be sure to drink plenty of water along with the Vit. C, so that any excess can be harmlessly flushed out of the body.)

[robblok]

19 minutes ago, Hummin said:

For those who are interested, and for those who is stacked up with everything possible to buy for money to get a better life. 

 

Enough Is Enough: Stop Wasting Money on Vitamin and Mineral Supplements

http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/1789253/enough-enough-stop-wasting-money-vitamin-mineral-supplements

I disagree, i take magnesium / calcium / potassium and salt.. if I don I cramp up during workouts. So sure some supplements don't work as you need to look how well the body absorbs them (depends on what form it comes in). I don't take vitamin supplements. 

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, robblok said:

I disagree, i take magnesium / calcium / potassium and salt.. if I don I cramp up during workouts. So sure some supplements don't work as you need to look how well the body absorbs them (depends on what form it comes in). I don't take vitamin supplements. 

Have you tried fresh coconuts? 

https://www.nutrition-and-you.com/coconut-water.html

 

I do not dissagree taking supplements when do hard workouts and have  for some reasons deficeiency of minerals and vitamins, I just say taking it just for taking it because you believe it will benefit for your health is wrong! In many cases the placebo is strong, and for some placebo is necessery to get started, but in the long run? Im more concerned. 

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Agreed.  There's an anti-vitamin campaign going on by the pharmaceutical interests because they don't want the vitamins displacing their drugs in people's medicine cabinets.  I use vitamin C to control the flow of mucus when I am sick, and it does an excellent job.  A vitamin-B complex that I have really helps me to feel better.  I don't have a good source of B12.  I wish I did.  I think I need it.

 

Too bad humans don't make vitamin C.  Goats can make as much as 13 grams of it in a day.  When I got sick once, I took about 10 grams in one day (500 mg every half hour as long as I was awake) and it cured me in that one day, whereas friends with the same illness had been sick and unable to continue in their normal activities for an entire week.  (For any who wish to do likewise, be sure to drink plenty of water along with the Vit. C, so that any excess can be harmlessly flushed out of the body.)

Eat vegetables and fruit, stopp eating crap food! There is no anti campaign or hidden agenda, it is just pure facts! However people do what they think they should do, science or not. Your choice and your belief. 

[robblok]

Just now, Hummin said:

Have you tried fresh coconuts? 

 

I do not dissagree taking supplements when do hard workouts and have  for some reasons deficeiency of minerals and vitamins, I just say taking it just for taking it because you believe it will benefit for your health is wrong! In many cases the placebo is strong, and for some placebo is necessery to get started, but in the long run? Im more concerned. 

Fresh coconuts don't have enough of the stuff I am missing. I have tried fresh coconuts before because there is a lot in it. I can tell you its hard to pretend you don't have cramps when you do. So the placebo effect of salt / calcium / magnesium / potassium is virtually not existent. I understand what you been saying as there is no proof for multivitamins that being said a lot really depends on what kind of vitamins / minerals. If you look a bit deeper into these things you will see that a lot of the stuff you buy has a hard time being taken up by the body because its a cheap form. So it really depends on what they test too. 

 

 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Fresh coconuts don't have enough of the stuff I am missing. I have tried fresh coconuts before because there is a lot in it. I can tell you its hard to pretend you don't have cramps when you do. So the placebo effect of salt / calcium / magnesium / potassium is virtually not existent. I understand what you been saying as there is no proof for multivitamins that being said a lot really depends on what kind of vitamins / minerals. If you look a bit deeper into these things you will see that a lot of the stuff you buy has a hard time being taken up by the body because its a cheap form. So it really depends on what they test too. 

 

 

I am still not dissagree with you, as mentioned before ? 

[AsianAtHeart]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Eat vegetables and fruit, stopp eating crap food! There is no anti campaign or hidden agenda, it is just pure facts! However people do what they think they should do, science or not. Your choice and your belief. 

Two hundred years ago, you would have had more reason to speak this way.  We don't live in a natural world anymore.  One cigarette can destroy as much as 500 mg. of Vitamin C in the body, and second-hand smoke is more harmful than first-hand smoke (because it doesn't pass through the filter).  If cigarette smoke has so much counterbalance to vitamins, what about the smoke of burning trash and plastics from my neighbor's yard?  Then there are the sprays on those vegetables and fruits to consider.  And depleted soils that have little to no iodine, selenium, magnesium, or even zinc--minerals not needed by the plant, but which the plant would put into its production if it were present.  All of the toxins in our environment contribute to increased demands upon the liver to break them down in vitamin-intensive processes.  We have truly come to a time when we need more vitamins and minerals than our natural food is able to supply.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I am still not dissagree with you, as mentioned before ? 

I think our opinions are pretty close. I used to take multivitamins but I read the same research and stopped. But I do take a lot of other supplements trying to find out what works and what does not. I read a certain supplement review website before I do anything. If after a while I don't feel anything I will stop. For instance I take cummercin with black pepper extract. I always had a lot of problems with my sinuses and this seems to help a bit.  Placebo.. maybe. Its hard to know what works and what not. 

 

 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Two hundred years ago, you would have had more reason to speak this way.  We don't live in a natural world anymore.  One cigarette can destroy as much as 500 mg. of Vitamin C in the body, and second-hand smoke is more harmful than first-hand smoke (because it doesn't pass through the filter).  If cigarette smoke has so much counterbalance to vitamins, what about the smoke of burning trash and plastics from my neighbor's yard?  Then there are the sprays on those vegetables and fruits to consider.  And depleted soils that have little to no iodine, selenium, magnesium, or even zinc--minerals not needed by the plant, but which the plant would put into its production if it were present.  All of the toxins in our environment contribute to increased demands upon the liver to break them down in vitamin-intensive processes.  We have truly come to a time when we need more vitamins and minerals than our natural food is able to supply.

I will say you think to much, and will die, as the rest of us, but with more vitamins on your shelf than me ? 

 

Trust me I had all I needed and more, and still felt miserable until I changed my way of thinking, eating and exorsizing! 

 

For some, I repeat, for some few extra supplies is necessery, but for most people not! Do not need to convince me about all of this, I have been down that road, read every single article why I should take suppliments and so on. Vitamin D is essential for us coming from countries with less sun yes and white skin, and vitamin c is essential where we do not eat fruit every day, and for those who do not eat oats, vitamin b as well. Just some few examples. Boosting can be good sometimes to. 

[AsianAtHeart]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I will say you think to much, and will die, as the rest of us, but with more vitamins on your shelf than me ? 

 

Trust me I had all I needed and more, and still felt miserable until I changed my way of thinking, eating and exorsizing! 

 

For some, I repeat, for some few extra supplies is necessery, but for most people not! Do not need to convince me about all of this, I have been down that road, read every single article why I should take suppliments and so on. Vitamin D is essential for us coming from countries with less sun yes and white skin, and vitamin c is essential where we do not eat fruit every day, and for those who do not eat oats, vitamin b as well. Just some few examples. Boosting can be good sometimes to. 

Lest you get the wrong impression, I am a lifelong vegetarian who has never drunk alcohol or smoked, nor do I drink caffeinated beverages like coffee, tea, or sodas.  I rarely eat sweets.  If a diet could supply all that was necessary for health and nutrition, my diet should be in the running for candidacy.  Nor do I take regular supplements.  I don't like pills.  However, when I get sick, or when I feel I am run down and likely to get sick, that is when I take them.  And they help.  I am persuaded that it is more than a placebo effect, because when I have taken aspirin or paracetamol, they have never helped me--so I don't take them anymore, and haven't touched them for literally decades now.  I am certain that there are some supplements out there whose value is questionable.  However, I am just as certain that there are those who wish to undermine all supplements by leveraging these bad examples to support their cause.  It is necessary to learn and reason for oneself, and depend less on the doctors or the published studies.

[Hummin]

@AsianAtHeart

 

I do aggree with you, but I would say we also need egg, fish, and some meet as well to complete our dietery! Some science is good science,  and some supplements taken with right food, and right combinations is good for you when you need it. 

 

 

 

 

[AsianAtHeart]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

@AsianAtHeart

 

I do aggree with you, but I would say we also need egg, fish, and some meet as well to complete our dietery! Some science is good science,  and some supplements taken with right food, and right combinations is good for you when you need it.

I agree on needing some milk or eggs, but you should learn more about the fish and meat before including them in your list.  There are advantages and disadvantages to everything, but if I were a meat eater, I would probably look for mutton (sheep).  Most anything else is entirely unsafe these days.

 

Fish would be good in some ways, and at least one study shows pescatarians to be slightly ahead of lacto-ovo-vegetarians in terms of mortality; the problem is that the waters everywhere are polluted, and toxins get concentrated almost exponentially up the food chain.  The larger the fish, the more dangerous it becomes.  Even fish from fresh mountain streams can be high in mercury because the atmosphere has been polluted with mercury vapors released from the burning of fossil fuels, especially from coal-powered generation plants.  The FDA guidelines stipulate that pregnant women should eat fish no more than twice a week on account of the mercury, but if it's bad for them, what about for everyone else?  To learn more about mercury's effect on the brain and nervous system, check out the Youtube video by the University of Calgary about mercury.

 

With other meats, the disadvantages generally outweigh the advantages in other areas, such as with the incidence of diabetes, heart disease, and certain cancers.  My grandfather, also a lifelong vegetarian, will be 94 this year and is still active, healthy, and living on his own.  He's slowed down a bit from when he was chopping wood by hand in his mid-70's, but is still a good example of health.  Studies have shown that vegetarians can live as much as 12-13 years longer, on average, than their meat-eating counterparts (for males--for females it's 5-7 years longer).  One of the big reasons for this may actually be excess iron intake, and women's greater average longevity may relate to their periodic loss of blood, and hence iron, during their childbearing years.  For this reason, they show somewhat less advantage from the vegetarian diet, because they are already ahead.  To have a similar benefit, men should donate blood as often as possible.

[xylophone]

WHY SUPPLEMENTS CAN BE USEFUL………………..

 

Alcohol consumption is by far the greatest concern because alcohol destroys/flushes out/renders useless the following vitamins and minerals: – Vitamin B1, B3, B6, B12, Vitamin C, Zinc, Magnesium and Calcium to name but a few, as well as Omega 6. So anyone who drinks more than, say two units per day, runs the risk of, in essence, being vitamin deficient in those mentioned above.

 

A frightening thought for regular drinkers.

 

A Balanced Diet.

 

This term forms the basis of the argument against vitamin supplements.

 

This term has been in use for centuries and in our lifetime very much came to the fore after the Second World War because of food shortages during the war. However there is absolutely no correlation between what constituted a balanced diet in the 50s versus what constitutes a balanced diet now. What I should say is there is absolutely no correlation between what is contained within the elements of the balanced diet, then versus now.

 

In the "old days" fruit and vegetables were grown using fertilisers which constituted the likes of blood and bone and decaying organic matter, to name but a few. There were sprays available to kill bugs and they were used (DDT being the most toxic), however that was usually the extent of chemicals used.

 

If one looks at the process used today it is a far cry from that of the past, in as much as multi chemical fertilisers are used; the product is sprayed with a variety of anti-pest sprays, virus, mould, canker and blight sprays all containing chemicals. Not to mention that hormones are sprayed on some plants, and in particular in Thailand, pineapples to increase the yield.

 

The product is then harvested and then sprayed with a chemical to make it look appealing in the shops. If it is to be transported anywhere, and by that I mean in country or exported, it will be sprayed with a chemical (or a gas) to reduce its ability to ripen in transit, and if cross-border/country, will be sprayed with a biosecurity spray applicable to the country into which it is being imported.

 

Therefore when it arrives in the shops it is no longer the fruit or vegetable that was known some 60 years ago, because no amount of washing or peeling the skin will completely eradicate the chemicals which have been used on it.

 

It would be fair to say that the human race is ingesting more chemicals because of this process than ever before. This is one of the reasons why organic produce is gaining much traction worldwide.

 

What constituted a balanced diet some 60 years ago is no longer the case with regards to the amount of chemicals and additives we ingest, because these were never anticipated to be part of a balanced diet. So in a way, using the term today bears no relation to what it should really mean in its pure form.

 

Meat products and a balanced diet.

 

Again what was considered as part of a balanced diet many years ago, as regards meat products, bears little relation to that which we receive on our plates today.

 

The most outstanding example is of course mad cow disease,  and it is believed that BSE is a result of feeding the ground up carcasses, including the spine, of cattle back to them in their feedstock!!! Eating their own so to speak. This practice was pretty widespread in the pork and poultry industries as well.

 

Not only that, the farming industry is one of the biggest users of antibiotics throughout the Western world and these are fed to animals to fatten them up, not necessarily to fight disease, because the animals seem to get fatter when fed these antibiotics, not to mention the inclusion of steroids and other chemicals designed to increase weight and thereby increase profit for the farmers.

 

What follows is alarming…………….”currently, the following antibiotics are used in livestock and poultry feed: chlortetracycline, procaine penicillin, oxytetracycline, tylosin, bacitracin, neomycin sulfate, streptomycin, erythromycin, linomycin, oleandomycin, virginamycin, and bambermycins. In addition to these antibiotics, which are of microbial origin, there are other chemically synthesized antimicrobial agents that are also sometimes used in animal feeds. These include three major classes of compounds: arsenical, nito-furan, and sulfa compounds. Arsenical compounds include arsanilic acid, 3-nitro-4-hydroxy phenylarsonic acid, and sodium arsanilate; nitro-furan compounds include furazolidone and nitro-furazone; sulfamethazine, sulfathiazole, and sulfaquinoxaline. Other chemicals are also used as antiprotozoal agents to prevent coccidiosis and histomaniasis in chickens and turkeys. Antibiotics are used regularly in animal feed at a rate of 2 to 50 grams per ton for improved performance in the animals. The reasons include a more efficient conversion of feed to animal products, an increased growth rate and a lower morbidity/mortality rate in general. The levels of antibiotics are often increased to 50-200 grams/ton or more when specific diseases are being targeted as when the spread of a particular disease is rampant. The levels are also increased in times of stress. This increased amount is often decreased when the threat of a disease is gone".

 

Whether we like it or not, antibiotics, steroids and whatever else is fed to these unsuspecting animals ends up in our system in one form or another. As proof of that, doctors are alarmed at the spread of antibiotic resistant bacteria possibly as a result of the practice of feeding antibiotics to livestock.

 

In summary.

 

For the proponents of eating a balanced diet, it can be seen that these days it has a completely different meaning to what was intended many years ago, and indeed one could argue that eating the food available today will certainly not give you the constituents necessary for a balanced diet, the products maybe, but not the constituents because they contain other harmful ingredients.

 

As already stated, alcohol is responsible for the depletion of many essential vitamins and some minerals in the human body.

 

It is no mystery as to why organic food has taken huge leaps and bounds in the Western world, no more than it is no mystery that organic sprays are being produced, or that there is an anti-GM food lobby which is very vocal and has had some success, and long may it continue.

 

In light of what is actually known and stated above, many people, decide to take vitamin supplements and even though it is well known that the body will dispel those vitamins and minerals which it has no use for, it will also retain those which it needs.

[BuaBS]

As a vegetarian , well here in Thailand more a vegan , I'm far below the necessairy B12 level and my european brought  methylcobalamin is running out even at 1 x 1000 ugr each 5 days. B12 is as expensive here as it is back home , and it doesn't always say on the blister what type of B12 it is. 

[xylophone]

Also this study supports the use of supplements...………..

Multivit use.pdf

[dddave]

4 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

f you want something more effective, look for adenosylcobalamin, methylcobalamin, or hydroxocobalamin--in about that order.  Do a little research to see why these are better.  Unfortunately, they may be unavailable throughout most of Southeast Asia.

I was prescribed Cyanocobal, taken on an ongoing basis after by-pass surgery last year in a US VA hospital.

When I returned to Thailand I could not find Cyanocobal but did easily find Methycobal in my local pharmacy.

About B300 for 30X500mg tablets.  

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, AsianAtHeart said:

I don't have a good source of B12.  I wish I did.  I think I need it.

RE-B FORTE has 1000 mcg of B12, and is available in LOS. I take one a day.

 

BTW, cashew nuts are excellent for cramp, and cherries apparently good for gout.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, dddave said:

I was prescribed Cyanocobal, taken on an ongoing basis after by-pass surgery last year in a US VA hospital.

When I returned to Thailand I could not find Cyanocobal but did easily find Methycobal in my local pharmacy.

About B300 for 30X500mg tablets.  

See my last post. Those tablets have 1000mcg of Cyanocobalamin.

[AsianAtHeart]

3 minutes ago, dddave said:

I was prescribed Cyanocobal, taken on an ongoing basis after by-pass surgery last year in a US VA hospital.

When I returned to Thailand I could not find Cyanocobal but did easily find Methycobal in my local pharmacy.

About B300 for 30X500mg tablets.  

Interesting.  Many doctors do not know much about B12.  I'm surprised they would have prescribed cyanocobalamin in America.  Keep taking the methylcobalamin, if you have actually found it.  However, the dosage you quoted leads me to believe you're taking something else.  B12 will be measured in µg, and the dosage will generally be 1000 µg or more.  Perhaps you have found a multi-vitamin pill that happens to include a little B12?

[dddave]

4 minutes ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Interesting.  Many doctors do not know much about B12.  I'm surprised they would have prescribed cyanocobalamin in America.  Keep taking the methylcobalamin, if you have actually found it.  However, the dosage you quoted leads me to believe you're taking something else.  B12 will be measured in µg, and the dosage will generally be 1000 µg or more.  Perhaps you have found a multi-vitamin pill that happens to include a little B12?

 

[AsianAtHeart]

31 minutes ago, dddave said:

 

Indeed, that is micrograms, and not milligrams.  Nice find, though!  Now...I wonder where I can get some.

[robblok]

1 hour ago, BuaBS said:

As a vegetarian , well here in Thailand more a vegan , I'm far below the necessairy B12 level and my european brought  methylcobalamin is running out even at 1 x 1000 ugr each 5 days. B12 is as expensive here as it is back home , and it doesn't always say on the blister what type of B12 it is. 

I can only say one thing Iherb.