Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, The manic said:

You answered your own question. Hate filled rhetoric from the losers and cowards. Thats all you have.

Is that tautological or a circular reference?

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Is that tautological or a circular reference?

I don't think it's either, it is an answer to an inappropiate flame post, which he directly answered.

Do you think that by saying,

("Brexit is not a single majority concept, it is a losely combined mish-mash of disparate bigots, thugs and racists who having whipped up a few gullible or dispossessed followers now couldn't even agree on how to order a pizza.)" is appropiate?

I have never been a disparate bigot in all my life.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I don't think it's either, it is an answer to an inappropiate flame post, which he directly answered.

Do you think that by saying,

("Brexit is not a single majority concept, it is a losely combined mish-mash of disparate bigots, thugs and racists who having whipped up a few gullible or dispossessed followers now couldn't even agree on how to order a pizza.)" is appropiate?

I have never been a disparate bigot in all my life.

Not at all - but then again, that same broad brush was used to denigrate remainers en masse without, seemingly, a hint of irony or self awareness, hence my query.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Not at all - but then again, that same broad brush was used to denigrate remainers en masse without, seemingly, a hint of irony or self awareness, hence my query.

If you want irony, I'll give you irony, one of the remainers didn't like my use of the word "gloating" in a previous post, has actually liked that flame post. 

[vogie]

9 hours ago, tebee said:

Wrong it was Suella Braverman

Breaking news: She has not resigned. Could still be May.

Edited July 9, 2018 by vogie

[tebee]

Breaking: The Tory party

[vogie]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

Breaking: The Tory party

And we don't have a government in waiting.

[tebee]

Just now, vogie said:

And we don't have a government in waiting.

Yes, a bit sad really.....

[nontabury]

8 minutes ago, tebee said:

Breaking: The Tory party

We can agree on that. Unfortunately Corbyn has sold his principles regarding the E.U.  If he had not done so, and backed Brexit, then I’m convinced Labour would soon be in power. As it is democracy is dead in the U.k unless men of principle, such as Davies stand up to May the appeaser.

Edited July 9, 2018 by nontabury

[billd766]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

And we don't have a government in waiting.

 

There is however a government in wanting.

 

It is called the Labour Party but traditional, old, new, new new or revised I have no idea.

 

Nor IMHO do they.

[Grouse]

looks increasingly likely that Boris will resign which will be excellent news. Good as mayor London but hopeless as a diplomat.

[CG1 Blue]

BORIS HAS RESIGNED!

 

Here comes the leadership contest!  Theresa the appeaser is probably toast now.

 

What do we reckon....Boris as PM (I would not want that to happen at any other time), and JRM as chief negotiator?

 

Whatever happens this is going to be an interesting week!

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by CG1 Blue

[nontabury]

Interestingly David Davis, during an interview earlier today,stated that he had to resign due to the fact that he does not beleive in appeaser Mays decisions. And therefore cannot, due to his principals, carry on as the British negotiator. It’s a pity that May,a remainer who has never believed in Brexit, did not also have principals,and never had taken up the mantle of a P.M who was supposed to carry out the Democratic wish of the British people.

  Just on the Brussels  Broadcasting Corporation, Boris Johnson has also added his name to those other government members in rejecting Mays proposals.

  Let’s hope this will result in a General Election, fought by Brexiteers versus the remainers. 

 

 

[aright]

7 hours ago, sandyf said:

 4 hours ago, sandyf said:

 

 

The brexit negotiations will continue with the EU irrespective of the likes of Merkel being there or not so why should the leavers feel there is some obligation to discuss these domestic issues. I remember, they think it is the strongest weapon in their armoury.

The federalist movement, the undemocratic, unaccountable, increasingly extreme right wing nature, disregard for the effects of the euro on southern members, unemployment 

 

To me and many contributors here these are very strong "leaving" issues and who are you to tell us how we should construct our argument. Add to that you seem to  want to tell us that Brexit is only an economic issue and  you will tell us what subjects are permissible in the debate. 

Away with your madness.

 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, aright said:

The federalist movement, the undemocratic, unaccountable, increasingly extreme right wing nature, disregard for the effects of the euro on southern members, unemployment 

 

To me and many contributors here these are very strong "leaving" issues and who are you to tell us how we should construct our argument. Add to that you seem to  want to tell us that Brexit is only an economic issue and  you will tell us what subjects are permissible in the debate. 

Away with your madness.

 

All remain arguments are economic, right down (or up) to cheap mobile rates across Europe. Always have been, always will be.  

[CG1 Blue]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

All remain arguments are economic, right down (or up) to cheap mobile rates across Europe. Always have been, always will be.  

This is why Leavers and Remainers will never agree.

 

I watched Question Time the other night.  Journalist Matthew Parris' face was contorted with anger at the fact we were trying to push back against the 'far larger and more powerful EU', insisting we should beg them to take us back.

 

For me, the more difficult the EU commission make leaving, the more we should be worried and get the hell out!

 

 

[The manic]

The link to this article is below

 

 

It is common for the British media to imply that Britain has a weak hand in these negotiations. Yet German and French newspapers report differently. We are a huge export market for continental Europe. Each year, 600,000 German cars are exported to the United States. But almost one million are exported to the UK. We are the biggest export market in the world for the German automotive industry.

There are similar stats for French agriculture exports and, yes, Italian prosecco. Political leaders in Europe are very conscious of a no-deal Brexit and the damage it will do to their employment rates. In Germany, estimates range from 8,000 to 40,000 jobs lost domestically if a deal is not agreed.

And if the deal is accepted by the EU, will Britain be “a vassal state” as some have argued? Even the hardcore wing of Brexiteers will recognise that free movement will be ended and border controls with Europe reinstated. And the prime minister has made clear she will not entertain any possibility of paying for continued access to the EU market. There will be a huge Brexit dividend.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/09/brexiteer-may-chequers-europe

 

 

 

Read more

 

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, The manic said:

The link to this article is below

 

 

It is common for the British media to imply that Britain has a weak hand in these negotiations. Yet German and French newspapers report differently. We are a huge export market for continental Europe. Each year, 600,000 German cars are exported to the United States. But almost one million are exported to the UK. We are the biggest export market in the world for the German automotive industry.

There are similar stats for French agriculture exports and, yes, Italian prosecco. Political leaders in Europe are very conscious of a no-deal Brexit and the damage it will do to their employment rates. In Germany, estimates range from 8,000 to 40,000 jobs lost domestically if a deal is not agreed.

And if the deal is accepted by the EU, will Britain be “a vassal state” as some have argued? Even the hardcore wing of Brexiteers will recognise that free movement will be ended and border controls with Europe reinstated. And the prime minister has made clear she will not entertain any possibility of paying for continued access to the EU market. There will be a huge Brexit dividend.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/09/brexiteer-may-chequers-europe

 

 

 

Read more

 

But having a No deal brexit does not mean the Germans are going to be unable to export cars to us. It just means those cars will cost UK consumers more. They could switch to British cars, but it's not at all clear if there will be a UK car industry post-Brexit. 

 

Not paying as a country for access to the EU market simply means our exporters have to pay individually to have each shipment checked and certified. Then you have to add EU import duties to the cost of goods we sell there. 

[The manic]

21 minutes ago, tebee said:

But having a No deal brexit does not mean the Germans are going to be unable to export cars to us. It just means those cars will cost UK consumers more. They could switch to British cars, but it's not at all clear if there will be a UK car industry post-Brexit. 

 

Not paying as a country for access to the EU market simply means our exporters have to pay individually to have each shipment checked and certified. Then you have to add EU import duties to the cost of goods we sell there. 

I can't foresee the future. Who knows? Maybe we will 3D print cars in the future..Speculation is irrelevant. But the political entity of the European Union is a dead loss weighed down by corruption and beuracacy.  As Forte pointed out 80% of British Businesses don't deal with the EU but are still  dictated by their rules. This is a fight back against a fascist one world government.  Every EU state should hold a referendum like the UK did.

[The manic]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

This is why Leavers and Remainers will never agree.

 

I watched Question Time the other night.  Journalist Matthew Parris' face was contorted with anger at the fact we were trying to push back against the 'far larger and more powerful EU', insisting we should beg them to take us back.

 

For me, the more difficult the EU commission make leaving, the more we should be worried and get the hell out!

 

 

Absolutely.  Even the remainers are waking up to corrupt quagmire we are dominated by.

[nontabury]

27 minutes ago, tebee said:

But having a No deal brexit does not mean the Germans are going to be unable to export cars to us. It just means those cars will cost UK consumers more. They could switch to British cars, but it's not at all clear if there will be a UK car industry post-Brexit. 

 

Not paying as a country for access to the EU market simply means our exporters have to pay individually to have each shipment checked and certified. Then you have to add EU import duties to the cost of goods we sell there. 

I would expect that the treacherous  remainers would prefer  to purchase E.U goods rather that British good, anything to stick the knife in the back of the U.K.

[The manic]

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

I would expect that the treacherous  remainers would prefer  to purchase E.U goods rather that British good, anything to stick the knife in the back of the U.K.

And they want England to lose the world cup

[tomacht8]

23 minutes ago, The manic said:

I can't foresee the future. Who knows? Maybe we will 3D print cars in the future..Speculation is irrelevant. But the political entity of the European Union is a dead loss weighed down by corruption and beuracacy.  As Forte pointed out 80% of British Businesses don't deal with the EU but are still  dictated by their rules. This is a fight back against a fascist one world government.  Every EU state should hold a referendum like the UK did.

Is interesting if you ask how the EU membership of the UK for more than 45 years, the life of the ordinary citizen should have limited.
For decades, the UK has one of the highest per capita GDPs and constant growth for decades.
Freedom to work, study or buy a home anywhere within the EU.
As the bad distribution of income in terms of Gemini coefficient showes,  that is not the fault of the EU.

So tell how the EU membership has personally restricted you in your life.

And do not talk about the immigration problem, because the largest immigration into the UK is in sum from non-EU countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Jamaika. This has nothing to do with the EU, this is mostly a specific postcolonial problem of the UK

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by tomacht8

[The manic]

12 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Is interesting if you ask how the EU membership of the UK for more than 45 years, the life of the ordinary citizen should have limited.
For decades, the UK has one of the highest per capita GDPs and constant growth for decades.
Freedom to work, study or buy a home anywhere within the EU.
As the bad distribution of income in terms of Gemini coefficient showes,  that is not the fault of the EU.

So tell how the EU membership has personally restricted you in your life.

And do not talk about the immigration problem, because the largest immigration into the UK is in sum from non-EU countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Jamaika. This has nothing to do with the EU, this is mostly a specific postcolonial problem of the UK

 

I travelled around Europe and there a long time before we joined the EU. Spain and Portugal became more expensive and more anodyne.  RE the immigrant problem which you have ordered me not to mention. The simple fact is that when hoods,, gangsters,  traffickers,  terrorists et get to the European land mass they use it as spring board to invade the UK. And the right buy property  set up a business, rec was on paper only. It's a shame. Greece, Portugal Spain..corrupt to the core. You are talking rubbish. Try and open a pharmacy or Bakery in France. You can't. Your idealist fantasies don't mirror reality. 

Edited July 9, 2018 by The manic

[vogie]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

But having a No deal brexit does not mean the Germans are going to be unable to export cars to us. It just means those cars will cost UK consumers more. They could switch to British cars, but it's not at all clear if there will be a UK car industry post-Brexit. 

 

Not paying as a country for access to the EU market simply means our exporters have to pay individually to have each shipment checked and certified. Then you have to add EU import duties to the cost of goods we sell there. 

I wouldn't worry too much about overrated German cars, they are unreliable and can you believe the readings they give you, if the British want to buy foreign cars I would stick with Japanese, they are far better quality.

[tomacht8]

1 minute ago, The manic said:

I travelled around Europe and there a long time before we joined the EU. Spain and Portugal became more expensive and more anodyne.  RE the immigrant problem which you have ordered me not to mention. The simple fact is that when hoods,, gangsters,  traffickers,  terrorists et get to the European land mass they use it as spring board to invade the UK. 

Understand.
Everywhere gets unfortunately more expensive.
Do you think that after Brexit it will be cheaper again for UK people in Spain or Portugal?

Since there are a lot of criminal gangs and immigration-unwilling People coming to Europe, I agree with you fully.
That does not just piss off people in the UK. 
Italy, Austria, Germany, Poland, Hungary and Sweden are also fed up with the unregulated immigration Policy.
There are already changes to be seen on the European stage.
It's a pity that the UK wiped out on a sideline Scene.

[nontabury]

26 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Is interesting if you ask how the EU membership of the UK for more than 45 years, the life of the ordinary citizen should have limited.
For decades, the UK has one of the highest per capita GDPs and constant growth for decades.
Freedom to work, study or buy a home anywhere within the EU.
As the bad distribution of income in terms of Gemini coefficient showes,  that is not the fault of the EU.

So tell how the EU membership has personally restricted you in your life.

And do not talk about the immigration problem, because the largest immigration into the UK is in sum from non-EU countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Jamaika. This has nothing to do with the EU, this is mostly a specific postcolonial problem of the UK

 

Another selfish remainer. Forgetting how the employment opportunities and wages of those at the lower end of the ladder, have been effected by the influx of hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans. Schools overcrowded, criminal activities of those who can just walk into our country. The list goes on.

But why should you be concerned?

 

 

[aright]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

looks increasingly likely that Boris will resign which will be excellent news. Good as mayor London but hopeless as a diplomat.

Great as a resignation letter writer though.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OjMo1oo4pjfRhFOOYxtiI1sw8JAVibJl/view

[tomacht8]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I wouldn't worry too much about overrated German cars, they are unreliable and can you believe the readings they give you, if the British want to buy foreign cars I would stick with Japanese, they are far better quality.

Maybe if you prefer medium class vehicles. 
In the upper segment, the Japanese do not have much class.
But next year, maybe I'll treat myself to a Nissan GTA for a year to blow it up on the German Autobahn at 5am Sunday morning.

[The manic]

3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Understand.
Everywhere gets unfortunately more expensive.
Do you think that after Brexit it will be cheaper again for UK people in Spain or Portugal?

Since there are a lot of criminal gangs and immigration-unwilling People coming to Europe, I agree with you fully.
That does not just piss off people in the UK. 
Italy, Austria, Germany, Poland, Hungary and Sweden are also fed up with the unregulated immigration Policy.
There are already changes to be seen on the European stage.
It's a pity that the UK wiped out on a sideline Scene.

We established the debate on the negative aspects off the EU. Any positive changes are down to the UK But EU refused to make any concessions.  We were forced out but many will follow. Only cowards fear our future without mutter Merkel and the french lunatic elite...the mafia states of Italy and 3rd world dumps like Greece. The European Project is a con trick....it has led to the destruction of the indigenous population of countless European cities. England is finished whether we stay in the EU or not. But we have set an example to the world