I said it before - Too many cooks spoil the stew. You have half a dozen rescue units, all trying their best, but no over all supervision for coordinated searches.  

 

3 hours ago, pegman said:

This obviously is a very difficult operation. Otherwise one of these teams from near and far would have found them by now. Some of the most advanced nations on earth including the Americans, Germans, Chinese, Japanese and Brits are involved. Speculation about there just needing to be a better big boss or white divers have proven to be nonsense. 

You don't know that, many are just arriving. Did you not read were many missions had failed for lack of knowledge. Like Apollo 13 this will be a team effort and the finest day for all when these kids emerge from this cave.

Srivara defends his questioning of officials at Tham Luang cave

 

 

Pol Gen Srivara Rangsibrahmanagul, the national deputy chief, has come under attacks in the social media for what is seen as an act of intimidation toward officials working to save the lives of the 12 young footballers and their coach trapped in Tham Luang Cave.

 

A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole in the cave went viral on the last few days. It was his use of language and stern manner that irked social media users who expressed sympathy with the officials on the rescue mission.

 

An official was trying to use a drone to survey the mountain to look for shafts through which search and rescue officials could get down into the cave when Pol Gen Srivara intervened to question whether he had received proper permission to do so.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/srivara-defende-questioning-officials-tham-luang-cave/

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-06-30

9 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

‘Poor coordination in cave search leading to waste of time’

By The Nation

 

Lerpong Suansang, head of a search team of the Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Department

 

A senior rescue official complained about the wastage of time caused by the lack of adequate coordination between several teams exploring shafts over Chiang Rai’s Tham Lung Cave.

 

Lerpong Suansang, head of a search team of the Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Department, said there were several teams searching for shafts that could offer a passage to chambers in the cave where it is believed a 13-member football team could have been trapped.

 

Lerpong said several shafts had been searched that they only led to a dead-end but due to lack of coordination other teams also ended up searching the same shafts, assuming them to be new discoveries.

 

He said there should have been better coordination so that all the rescue teams were aware of which shafts had been searched.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348999

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-06-30

What he is saying as said a few times yesterday ' Too many cooks ..........'  How do Italian teams , Brit. teams . Chinese teams etc co ordinate a search with Deputy Police Commissioner Ge. Pol General in charge who speak none of the languages of the guest teams.

"A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole...

 

The deputy police chief yesterday clarified that he merely wanted everything to be done legally, claiming that there was issue about budgetary disbursement..."

 

sicking isn't it?

Given that gunshots can be used to map caves (https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028156-000-gunshot-echoes-used-to-map-caves-interior/), would it boost the morale of the missing boys if they heard something i.e. gunshots being fired? To send a message, shots could be fired in a SOS sequence. 

Drill to evacuate survivors from Tham Luang begins

 

 

Rescue teams have begun a simulation drill to evacuate survivors from Tham Luang cave to a district hospital nearby in Chiang Rai.

 

Ambulances are seen rushing patients one by one to Mae Sai district hospital, watched by an army of journalists and camermen. Authorities have prepared 3 ambulances for the drill. Helicopters are also being employed for emergency. Chiang Rai governor Narongsak Osotthanakorn said Friday that the drill would involve officials in different fields. Each of the ambulances is manned with doctors and nurses in a drill to simulate a situation in which all the missing 13 are rescued out of the cave.

 

“Do not get excited, we will just simulate a situation about delivering patients to the hospital if the media and the public see many helicopters and ambulances in front of the cave,” said the governor.
Tags: drill, delivery, missing 13, hospital

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/drill-evacuate-survivors-tham-luang-begins/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-06-30

 

2 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Why? Given the modus operandi, the reputation and individual  experience with the Thai police, this is an entirely reasonable point to make. Oh, you think the RTP wouldn't try to extort people during an emergency? Think again.

 

Sorry you didn't like it but that's just a bit too bad.

No, it is a ridiculous and nonsense point to make. Back to the topic at hand now please.

29 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

Srivara defends his questioning of officials at Tham Luang cave

 

 

Pol Gen Srivara Rangsibrahmanagul, the national deputy chief, has come under attacks in the social media for what is seen as an act of intimidation toward officials working to save the lives of the 12 young footballers and their coach trapped in Tham Luang Cave.

 

A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole in the cave went viral on the last few days. It was his use of language and stern manner that irked social media users who expressed sympathy with the officials on the rescue mission.

 

An official was trying to use a drone to survey the mountain to look for shafts through which search and rescue officials could get down into the cave when Pol Gen Srivara intervened to question whether he had received proper permission to do so.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/srivara-defende-questioning-officials-tham-luang-cave/

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-06-30

 

I know what my immediate response would be and it would not be very polite. Something along the line of head and placing it where the sun doesn't shine.

Counselors sent to console parents of missing football team as support continues to pour in

Itiporn  Lakarnchua

 

 

CHIANG RAI, 29th June 2018 (NNT) – A state sponsored team of social workers and psychologists has been sent to the scene of the search and rescue effort for the missing teenage football team in Chiang Rai to provide guidance and counseling to the parents and guardians of the boys lost in Luang cave. 

 

Minister of Social Development and Human Security, Gen Anantaporn Kanchanarat explained today that the counselors are to help the parents and guardians of the lost football players, cope with the stressful situation. They are also to aid rescue workers who have been dealing with the emotionally charged search for several days now. The group of counselors will however stay out of the cave so as not to affect the determined search. 

 

In Nakhon Ratchasima, Governor Wichien Chantaranothai today led civil servants in a moment of silence and prayer devoted to the 13 young lives still being sought in Luang cave of Chiang Rai, praying for their safe return. 

 

Director of Wat Yai Chai Mongkol School in Ayuthaya province, Jutamas Rodphai, had students and faculty members fold origami birds to express their hope and support for the 13. The birds have been assembled into the number 13 as well as in a depiction of a heart. They voiced hopeful that the young footballers will return safely, as well as encouraging the rescuers. 

 

 

-- nnt 2018-06-30

 

36 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

Srivara defends his questioning of officials at Tham Luang cave

 

 

Pol Gen Srivara Rangsibrahmanagul, the national deputy chief, has come under attacks in the social media for what is seen as an act of intimidation toward officials working to save the lives of the 12 young footballers and their coach trapped in Tham Luang Cave.

 

A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole in the cave went viral on the last few days. It was his use of language and stern manner that irked social media users who expressed sympathy with the officials on the rescue mission.

 

An official was trying to use a drone to survey the mountain to look for shafts through which search and rescue officials could get down into the cave when Pol Gen Srivara intervened to question whether he had received proper permission to do so.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/srivara-defende-questioning-officials-tham-luang-cave/

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-06-30

Time for early pension for this arrogant tool..

How long can you live without food??

Just now, TheFishman1 said:

How long can you live without food??

weeks

Just now, TheFishman1 said:

How long can you live without food??

About 6 weeks

3 minutes ago, TheFishman1 said:

How long can you live without food??

About 3 weeks iirc, depending on body mass, health/fitness and access to sufficient hydration. Hunger-striker have been known to live for about 40 days but the conditions in Chiang Rai are sub-optimal.

 

Water is a lot less - about 3 days.

7 minutes ago, TheFishman1 said:

How long can you live without food??

Up to about 2 months with water. Bobby Sands lasted 66 days on his hunger strike.

Relief bags offered to rescuers and families of missing boys in Chiang Rai

Thammarat Thadaphrom

 

 

CHIANG RAI, 30th June 2018 (NNT) – His Majesty King Maha Vajiralongkorn and Her Royal Highness Sirivannavari Nariratana have sent relief packages to rescue teams and the families of boys, aged 11-15, missing in a flooded cave complex in northern Thailand. 

 

Deputizing for His Majesty and the princess, Chiang Rai Governor Narongsak Osotthanakorn handed out bags of equipment and necessities including raincoats, mosquito repellent, safety helmets and flashlights, boots, socks, underclothes, towels, batteries, ice containers, ropes, prayer books, food and drinks. 

 

Rescue teams are working around the clock to locate 12 boys and their football coach trapped for a week inside Tham Luang Cave in Mae Sai district of Chiang Rai. 

 

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha said His Majesty has been closely monitoring the situation and has offered moral support to the families of the victims as well as words of encouragement to the rescuers. The prime minister also thanked all volunteers, experts, specialists, and officers for their sacrifice and commitment to the rescue operation. 

 

 

-- nnt 2018-06-30

3 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

A week later and there are still a lot of unanswered questions. Why did the coach take the boys in the cave without checking the weather forecast? Thais always seem to be able to look at the sky and tell when rain is approaching.

 

Secondly, I’ve seen that they entered the cave at around 1pm but there has been no chronology of roughly how far inside they would have been at walking pace when the rain started. 

 

I just don’t think even the most foolish adult would have gone deep inside the cave, considering how deep it is and just a few hours from nightfall.

 

Personally it looks to me like they were under a mile inside and tried to run back to the entrance when rain started but were overcome by the deluge and have been washed deep inside the cave.   

Wow! You're a really fun guy, aren't you? Everyone rooting for the safe rescue of these kids. 

 

But you - pessimism all the way!

Update : #ThamLuang Forestry Technical Officers are rappelling down to the cave right now.

 

https://twitter.com/ImmaGalonn/status/1012928108196839425

1 minute ago, NCC1701A said:

Update : #ThamLuang Forestry Technical Officers are rappelling down to the cave right now.

 

https://twitter.com/ImmaGalonn/status/1012928108196839425

Lets hope that they find their way in quickly. Those kids must be in a desperate state by now.

31 minutes ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

Lets hope that they find their way in quickly. Those kids must be in a desperate state by now.

 

, I believe the rescue efforts should continue until they are brought out. If they discontinue the search, I think great damage will be done to the government and officialdom - rightly or wrongly. But every day that passes brings that decision one day closer. Let's hope it doesn't happen.

58 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

"A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole...

 

The deputy police chief yesterday clarified that he merely wanted everything to be done legally, claiming that there was issue about budgetary disbursement..."

 

sicking isn't it?

I see this situation would be above him, as in it should be controlled by a national organisation ie; Federal State of Emergency services.

 

47 minutes ago, TheFishman1 said:

How long can you live without food??

"Pol Gen Srivara Rangsibrahmanagul, the national deputy chief, has come under attacks in the social media for what is seen as an act of intimidation toward officials working to save the lives of the 12 young footballers and their coach trapped in Tham Luang Cave.

 

A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole in the cave went viral on the last few days. It was his use of language and stern manner that irked social media users who expressed sympathy with the officials on the rescue mission.

 

An official was trying to use a drone to survey the mountain to look for shafts through which search and rescue officials could get down into the cave when Pol Gen Srivara intervened to question whether he had received proper permission to do so."

 

Perhaps Pol Gen Srivara could undertake an experiment personally, to find out...

A number of off topic and troll posts and replies have been removed.

This is a sensitive issue, so please stick to the topic and avoid being inflammatory.

Next offender will regret it.

Let us not criticise,  let us all hope for a good outcome with safe return of the boys to their grieving parents and friends...thank you to all involved in the rescue efforts...may you be safe also !       Not a time for frivolous chatter.....

Set the best most experienced man/lady on the leading job and swallow the pride a bit.

There is 13 people trust you and need the strongest candidate. 

Peoples, now you do realize that you waste time? Is not your time but the time from the 13 peoples inside there. I hope is not too late. Send away all the reporters, the voyeurs, the general's, admirals, police chiefs that are there only for the media and all those peoples that have nothing too do there and pray to your God/Buddha or whenever that you can get the 13 alive out of that nightmare. The shame of you all for losing very important time (7 days) before you wake up.

2 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

"A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole...

 

The deputy police chief yesterday clarified that he merely wanted everything to be done legally, claiming that there was issue about budgetary disbursement..."

 

sicking isn't it?

its what Ive come to expect but will be batted  down by Thai lovers.

Good Grief ... so then ... who's in charge eh?

Just now, kannot said:

its what Ive come to expect but will be batted  down by Thai lovers.

No one will bat you down for that except for saying you expect to be batted down by Thai lovers.

 

Everyone with a brain cell knows the officiousness of officialdom knows no bounds. Even when they are wrong they will keep digging deeper and deeper holes.

 

I suppose the drones are flying if needed and they are dropping emergency rations down the rabbit holes ... please don't take the rabbit holes suggestion literally! Let the man in his uniform strut around leaving everyone else to do the real work.