V4 Indian .. Don't know if this is a factory or homemade job ..

 

2 hours ago, papa al said:

Could be.

The CIA has been in the middle of drug trafficking since its inception in 1947.

Heroin/Afganistan.

French connection.

Cocaine with Bill Clinton in Arkansas.

George Bush Sr.    Ollie North

&c.

At least in Hollywood 

Nice Aermacchi sporting a bit of a Duke colour scheme .. 

Scrambler style is all the rage at the mo' and here's an old skool Duke doing it long before .. 

Incorrect.
The 50's they were just a bunch of hard drinking, hard riding, hard partying guys who loved bikes and the camaradie.
With very little organization.
And virtually no dope dealing.
The 60's was more of the same, but more organized. By the late 60's "some" members, not the club as a whole, realized money could be made selling drugs.
The 70's was more of the same, but even more organized.
The 60's-80's were the highpoint of m/c clubs, possibly into the early 90's before the State, and governments and Feds finally brought everything under control.
And the world changed too, and along with vikings, pirates, the wild west & cowboys etc, IMHO the outlaw m/c club has had it's day in the 21st century.
Unfortunately.
The actual membership boom you mentioned, especially in America & Australia happened in the 70's and was solely due to the Vietnam War.
Every state had a plethora of new clubs starting and existing membership explosion due to the Vietnam war and young kids returning still wanting their adrenalin fix.
 
Believe me, on this particular subject i know what i am talking about...
There is no heresay.
No maybe, probably, possibly.
Just facts and on-hand experience and decades of close up knowledge.
 
 
Again, back on topic. Please.
 

 
 
 
 

I know from first hand accounts that the Angels had a real heroin problem in the 50s, long before the rest of White America.

And no one admits to there being organization in organized crime. You cannot deny that the Angels sprouted multiple chapters very quickly across CA and the US, a completely different pattern than other MCs. And that the Angels were huge in big black communities like Oakland. That makes no sense.

3 minutes ago, SuperTed said:

I know from first hand accounts that the Angels had a real heroin problem in the 50s, long before the rest of White America.

And no one admits to there being organization in organized crime. You cannot deny that the Angels sprouted multiple chapters very quickly across CA and the US, a completely different pattern than other MCs. And that the Angels were huge in big black communities like Oakland. That makes no sense.

Oakland was black in the '50s?

 

I think not

5 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Oh, give it a rest will ya with your bullshIt media spiel.

No. Never.

Not on my bucket list.

Your point being?

Point being again?

So have 1% back patch clubs.

And more besides.

 

Back on topic, as i don't want this wonderful thread degenerating into biker politics and me fighting the corner against  the media hysteria crap about outlaw m/c clubs.

And the people who believe all those sensationalist lies.

Again.

You won't fight alone.

More BS from those who had SFA to do with any 1% club.

5 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Incorrect.

The 50's they were just a bunch of hard drinking, hard riding, hard partying guys who loved bikes and the camaradie.

With very little organization.

And virtually no dope dealing.

The 60's was more of the same, but more organized. By the late 60's "some" members, not the club as a whole, realized money could be made selling drugs.

The 70's was more of the same, but even more organized.

The 60's-80's were the highpoint of m/c clubs, possibly into the early 90's before the State, and governments and Feds finally brought everything under control.

And the world changed too, and along with vikings, pirates, the wild west & cowboys etc, IMHO the outlaw m/c club has had it's day in the 21st century.

Unfortunately.

The actual membership boom you mentioned, especially in America & Australia happened in the 70's and was solely due to the Vietnam War.

Every state had a plethora of new clubs starting and existing membership explosion due to the Vietnam war and young kids returning still wanting their adrenalin fix.

 

Believe me, on this particular subject i know what i am talking about...

There is no heresay.

No maybe, probably, possibly.

Just facts and on-hand experience and decades of close up knowledge.

1+

On 2/5/2019 at 1:52 PM, thaiguzzi said:

There was a custom Panther several pages ago 

Couple of more good ole' days Panther's .. Just right for chuffing thru the lanes on a Sunday afternoon .. 

And a bit of Panther tank art ..

 

A 1937 Panther 600cc, coming and going:

 

 

 

And a 1951 Model 100 with a rather precarious pillion seat.  Talk about catching the panther by the tail:

 

Powered for mastery, apparently.

 

1 hour ago, Justgrazing said:

Just right for chuffing thru the lanes on a Sunday afternoon ..

You mean choofin' down't lane.

 

1 minute ago, ballpoint said:

A 1937 Panther 600cc, coming and going:

 

 

 

And a 1951 Model 100 with a rather precarious pillion seat, talk about catching the panther by the tail:

 

Powered for mastery, apparently.

 

You mean choofin' down't lane.

 

 

Nice sled indeed...

Late 20's 2 stroke 500 twin from stroker pacesetters DKW .. 

Italian plod Guzzi horizontal single .. nice shade of blue that and the red pin striping is a good contrast .. 

 

5 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

Late 20's 2 stroke 500 twin from stroker pacesetters DKW .. 

Italian plod Guzzi horizontal single .. nice shade of blue that and the red pin striping is a good contrast .. 

 

Guzzi actually built that 500 single - wasn’t it called Falcone? -until 1976. Great bike!

30 minutes ago, damascase said:

Guzzi actually built that 500 single - wasn’t it called Falcone? -until 1976. Great bike!

Mr Guzz'll be the one to know on that I should imagine .. I put it up as it is a pretty little machine .. 

14 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

Mr Guzz'll be the one to know on that I should imagine .. I put it up as it is a pretty little machine .. 

 

48 minutes ago, damascase said:

Guzzi actually built that 500 single - wasn’t it called Falcone? -until 1976. Great bike!

Concur.

But the later bikes (basically military & police bikes finding their way onto civvy street) were nowhere near as handsome as the earlier bikes posted.

Avec external "bacon slicer" chromed flywheel...

 

5 hours ago, SuperTed said:

I know from first hand accounts that the Angels had a real heroin problem in the 50s, long before the rest of White America.

And no one admits to there being organization in organized crime. You cannot deny that the Angels sprouted multiple chapters very quickly across CA and the US, a completely different pattern than other MCs. And that the Angels were huge in big black communities like Oakland. That makes no sense.

C'mon dude, get real!

The only reason HAMC expanded so quickly in the 60's and 70's was that every other club wanted to belong!

Any club worth it's salt wanted to be a part of it.

The most famous/infamous club on the planet.

You do know that since the 60's any member of ANY back patch club, using or dealing heroin gets immediately thrown out.

In Bad Standing.

And wakes up in hospital.

Without a motorcycle.

Or any possessions.

As for Oakland - that's been the main charter on the West coast since year dot.

A hard, working man's port city.

Nothing to do with how big or small the local black population is/was.

The Ariel Leader and a racing version, a 250cc 2stroke twin, the racing version came home 6th in a junior TT.

The design has a good pedigree, designed by Val Page and Bernard Knight, Val Page is the same guy who designed the JAP engine for the Brough Superior, he also designed the BSA  Gold Star and the M20.

He was at Triumph a while working with "God".

His first stint at Ariel he designed the nice Red Hunter, came back again and designed the Ariel Leader, looking at this thing he was having a bad hair day, although it did win a best bike award.

Production started in 1958 and went on until 1965 when the factory closed, could not keep up with the Japanese imports.

With the engine enclosed, reminds me of the Honda Wave, a nightmare to work on, got to take all the crap off to get at anything (Try renewing headstock bearings on a Wave ).

3 minutes ago, kickstart said:

The Ariel Leader

Yea I remeber these .. Bit radical for the day and um' not what you'd call a looker .. Didn't they have a 2 cyl 2 stroke engine .? Love the slot in the top of the screen though .. 

30's Neumann Neander 1000 with odd front end ..

Lovely Sarolea 500 comp' bike .. 

Check out the petrol tank art .. 

 

53 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

30's Neumann Neander 1000 with odd front end ..

Lovely Sarolea 500 comp' bike .. 

Check out the petrol tank art .. 

 

 

That is an odd front end indeed. The headstock flexes in the frame?

1 hour ago, Justgrazing said:

Yea I remeber these .. Bit radical for the day and um' not what you'd call a looker .. Didn't they have a 2 cyl 2 stroke engine .? Love the slot in the top of the screen though .. 

Yes, it had a twostroke twin. Not sure it was true, but at the time a rumour circulated that the engine designer had taken a very, very good look at the 250 twostroke twin of German manufacturer Adler.

2 minutes ago, damascase said:

Yes, it had a twostroke twin. Not sure it was true, but at the time a rumour circulated that the engine designer had taken a very, very good look at the 250 twostroke twin of German manufacturer Adler.

Just checked this, and I found confirmation here: http://www.classic-motorcycle.com/Adler-MB250-1954-250cc-2-cyl-ts-a-114/

9 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

You do know that since the 60's any member of ANY back patch club, using or dealing heroin gets immediately thrown out.

In Bad Standing.

And wakes up in hospital.

Without a motorcycle.

Or any possessions.

Some ... club Tattoos removed with an angle grinder.

11 hours ago, kickstart said:

The Ariel Leader and a racing version, a 250cc 2stroke twin, the racing version came home 6th in a junior TT.

The design has a good pedigree, designed by Val Page and Bernard Knight, Val Page is the same guy who designed the JAP engine for the Brough Superior, he also designed the BSA  Gold Star and the M20.

He was at Triumph a while working with "God".

His first stint at Ariel he designed the nice Red Hunter, came back again and designed the Ariel Leader, looking at this thing he was having a bad hair day, although it did win a best bike award.

Production started in 1958 and went on until 1965 when the factory closed, could not keep up with the Japanese imports.

With the engine enclosed, reminds me of the Honda Wave, a nightmare to work on, got to take all the crap off to get at anything (Try renewing headstock bearings on a Wave ).

 

 

The naked version Ariel Arrow.

 

Another Ariel classic.

 

1000cc Square Four

 

Kinda cool concept bikes.  The black one is a bit more practical.  Has mud tires and a couple racks where you can strap down a 6-pack of beer and some Hostess Twinkie cakes.

 

The 2015 Husqvarna 401 Vitpilen Concept

"white bike".  https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2015/2015-Husqvarna-401-Vitpilen-Concept?d=1

 

 

2015 Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen Concept

The "black bike".  https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2015/2015-Husqvarna-401-Svartpilen-Concept?d=1

 

 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

Kinda cool concept bikes. 

You can actually buy these bikes.

Now.

In the shops.

Pretty much as the concepts.

12 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Bit radical for the day and um' not what you'd call a looker .

Ah, the Ariel Leader - another nail in the coffin of the British motorcycle industry, and certainly, that, along with the ridiculous tricycle/scooterette is what finished Ariel off.

I thought the name of this thread was Motorcycle Porn, not shIt British tinware dressed as metallic (because plastic had not been invented for motorcycles then) tupperware.

 

As for racing them, i don't seem to remember them being much competition against Suzuki & Yamaha in the mid-late 60's...

 

Poor motorcycles that will never be classed as a classic, however, because they are old, people will collect them just as they collect 1979 Honda 250N Superdreams....

Rant over.

Carry on chaps.....

 

Lets get mellow.......

Yellow Mellow

Mellow Yellow

Italian Yellow

 

Late Guzzi Falcone

Guzzi 1100 Sports fitted with an early round barrel/head motor

Custom 900SS

 

Edit - just noticed the 1100 Sports has a Triumph 955 Speed triple seat/tail unit fitted - sweet.

4 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Poor motorcycles that will never be classed as a classic, however, because they are old, people will collect them just as they collect 1979 Honda 250N Superdreams....

Rant over.

Carry on chaps.....

Hahahaha .. Straight in with that one 'Guzz' .. 

Bit more yellow ..

Nice old Ducati and a Triumph showing its wheelie skills ..

 

Some oldie classic Triumph tank art and check out the carb' on the 3rd pic' .. 

Superb prewar Triumph Tiger .. 

 

Another unusual bike from those zany German's .. 1939 DKW 350 2 stroke supercharged twin .. Note from the barrels its looks a parallel layout but longitudinal rather than across the frame so has to have a link rod for the rear piston to couple to one big end .. The bit of casing behind pistons is part of the supercharger housing .. And bottom photo the exhaust port is almost adjacent to the inlet .. 

DKW were real pioneers of 2 stroke design in the 30's but as mentioned previously German Industry was carved up at the end of WW2 and a lot of their innovation was handed around by the Allies .. 

 

14 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Some ... club Tattoos removed with an angle grinder.

I am not saying the Angels were the dealers, but they were the source for the hard drugs, and enjoyed the LSD and dope the hippies were swimming in. I know a man who left the SF Angels in the late 50s early 60s a heroin addict, and the way he told it, he was not alone.

 

That is what I know. Individual experiences may vary!

 

Ducati today with six wings and a brake bar -

 

 

12 hours ago, SuperTed said:

I am not saying the Angels were the dealers, but they were the source for the hard drugs, and enjoyed the LSD and dope the hippies were swimming in. I know a man who left the SF Angels in the late 50s early 60s a heroin addict, and the way he told it, he was not alone.

 

That is what I know. Individual experiences may vary!

Yawn...

Give it a rest will ya puleeze!

The late 50's they were'nt even an organization together!

They were a bedraggled band of individual clubs.
Even with different Death's Heads (big & small).

Frisco & Oakland (10 miles apart) were still fighting each other in the mid 60's. With the same top rocker on their backs.

The California bottom rocker did'nt even come into effect until the early-mid 60's.

Don't assume that one ex junkie who left Frisco HAMC (see above) was the std bearer for all things club.

He was'nt. He was a minority.

Also, never trust a smackhead.

Just had to grab one of my books off a bookshelf and confirm some of the above details - Sonny Barger's seminal 2000 autobiography HA.

 

On 2/7/2019 at 9:35 PM, Justgrazing said:

On 2/7/2019 at 9:28 PM, kickstart said:

The Ariel Leader

Yea I remember these .. Bit radical for the day and um' not what you'd call a looker .. Didn't they have a 2 cyl 2 stroke engine .? Love the slot in the top of the screen though .

My first nick was by a UK plod on one of those things.

My Dad always went on about wanted one of these.