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53 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Surely whomever drew this got their sprockets mixed up at the bottom?

I cant see a gear lining up with the lower crank , so maybe there is a chain connecting the cranks on the rear of the engine.  

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6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Thanks Trans .. some more of interest .. engine drawing for the Golden Dream .. 

The bike at the bottom retains the same engine config' but is significantly different in the barrels and heads dept' .. not enough info on this one to know if it is/was another machine they were developing alongside Golden Dream or whether it is counted as one of the G D total ..

That drawing is different in the gearbox/starter.  I can't even see a kick starter on the Golden Dream.

 

The two cranks are geared together at the back side of the engine.

 

Brough Superior Golden Dream - Wikiwand

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1 hour ago, MartinL said:

 

My two penn'orth, for what it's worth, re. the front pair of chains:-

2-sprocket set-up - top (small) sprocket is fixed to top crankshaft end and turns lower (large) sprocket to give 1/2 engine speed needed for camshaft drives (assumption since can't count sprocket teeth but  based on different sprocket sizes). Large sprocket isn't attached to anything except the small sprocket - freewheeling on a stub shaft. I'd guess that the shaft end with hex-head bolt, just above the large sprocket is the lower crankshaft end

3-sprocket set-up - lower sprocket is keyed to same shaft as large sprocket and therefore rotates at half engine speed. Chain drives 2 more sprockets of the same size as lower sprocket, so also at half engine speed, which are keyed to the camshafts.

 

Red arrow is top crank connecting gear. Yellow arrow is meshing point of two crank connecting gears.

I think you are spot on. The rear of the upper crank could also be connected to oil/fuel pump and distributor and starter ( if added). Great engineering. National Motorcycle Museum is just up the road from my house in England.

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On 8/18/2020 at 11:05 AM, MartinL said:

 

My two penn'orth, for what it's worth, re. the front pair of chains:-

2-sprocket set-up - top (small) sprocket is fixed to top crankshaft end and turns lower (large) sprocket to give 1/2 engine speed needed for camshaft drives (assumption since can't count sprocket teeth but  based on different sprocket sizes). Large sprocket isn't attached to anything except the small sprocket - freewheeling on a stub shaft. I'd guess that the shaft end with hex-head bolt, just above the large sprocket is the lower crankshaft end

3-sprocket set-up - lower sprocket is keyed to same shaft as large sprocket and therefore rotates at half engine speed. Chain drives 2 more sprockets of the same size as lower sprocket, so also at half engine speed, which are keyed to the camshafts.

 

Red arrow is top crank connecting gear. Yellow arrow is meshing point of two crank connecting gears.

Well spotted Martin and it does make sense .. the drawing as they've tried to 3d it abit is not the clearest and can lead to think the large sprocket is on the lower crank so then it doesn't make sense .. but as you correctly point the bolt above the sprocket is the crank centre point so then it all does make sense .. gold star for that ..

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7 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

 

Bring back the 50cc, 125cc and 250cc classes!  No computers.  250 kph is enough.  Who needs

Moto3 is the junior class .. 250cc with the racing ultra competitive but everyone then wants to move on to the MotoGP big bikes .. it's what we do .. thank God both Morbidelli and Zarco weren't badly hurt in that accident Sunday .. 

 

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7 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

But excessively aggressive riding is on everyone's minds these days. 

What is racing if not being excessively aggressive? I don't think one can win by being passive? 

Once the lights go out all bets are off?

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Rossi was lucky not once but twice as a split second after Morbidelli's bike missed him what was left of Zarco's went across the front of him exactly the same .. there can be no more than a couple of thousands of a second in it literally .. Vale 9 lives should his new nickname .. 

 

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from Redbull Ring this weekend part 2 in how to destroy hugely expensive handbuilt motorcycles with Maveric Vinales spectacular bale out at the end of the main straight when braking for the tight right hander .. only his didn't leaving Mav' no option but to jump off at an estimated 140 mph leaving the bike to carry on into the airbag crash absorbers at the end of the run off area but still destroying itself in the process and catching fire to complete the destruction .. 

Scrutineers will surely be looking at what's happened here as you can't have brakes giving up out of the blue like that .. it's a testament to the strength of his leathers though that they remained in one piece after that .. 

Miguel Oliveira won the race on a satellite KTM bike with KTM works bike of Esparago in 3rd .. the Suzuki's are also doing well in this strangest of seasons so far though I'll wager the works Yamaha team will be glad to leave the Redbull Ring after today alongside last week's events .. 

 

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