Blacklisted (apparently) then name locked? Mixed results from different people/departments

[VoidedEntry]

So to make this short and to the point, I once new a girl who was crazy, who when I was leaving thailand, I sent a photo of a taxi driver that was giving me a long drive to the airport, she took great pleasure in getting this taxi driver fired and messaged me one day "They messaged me and said they fired him", why do I explain this, because this is the nature of her, to try to <deleted> people over. Fast Foward, things didn't work out with us, shes a hoe, I always knew she was a hoe, had a few girls, and then told her one day I was done with her. Anyhow, knowing how she is, when I decided to return to Thailand I conducted a blacklist check, because knowing her she would make up some bullshit to get me in trouble. After reading what many people wrote that it's "not easy to get someone blacklisted", I was convinced that the report I got from thailandbail may have been inaccurate, and maybe false. But I had to dig deeper, because now I dug myself a paranoid hole that I couldn't escape from. So a few days later TH-bail messaged me saying that they were able to clear it up and everything was OK, and said that a girl/lady under the name 'Som Chai' had filed a police report against me for threatening her, well I don't know any Som Chais, and it seems that name is as common as john smith. Now any how, I had a trip to thailand and I had to figure out if I was really blacklisted or not, so I contacted Thaivisaservice, I paid for the blacklist check who he would have someone check it, and then a few days later he told me I wasn't blacklisted but 'name locked', what in the <deleted>?

 

So then I decided to call thai immigration, first I called departures and they told me everything is OK and nothing, no name lock or blacklist or any of this bullshit, but somehow they told me to call arrival immigration, they told me that 'I had a name lock but they couldn't see where it was from and that I would have to contact a consulate in order to find out'

 

However I was also given an email from suan phlu immigration to have them check, they sent me their email address and so I contacted them on what happened and gave them my passport, and they said

 

'I just checked your data in immigration blacklist database and have not found any information about your blacklist (regarding to your email). Thus, I think you firstly should ask your lawyer where and how he received that information.

 

Regards,

Investigation Division'

 

So

 

if anyone knows the best way to figure out more info, let me know

 

 

[jackdd]

and what does "name locked" mean?

[VoidedEntry]

Once ur removed from black list apparently ur name is locked, prolly to further question you?

[BestB]

7 minutes ago, VoidedEntry said:

Once ur removed from black list apparently ur name is locked, prolly to further question you?

No expert but blacklist does not always mean a blacklist.

 

in personal experience, I was on bail from the courts and my name was in immigrarion system. Some officers called it blacklist, ones with more brain called it a “notice “.

 

my notice was not to allow me out of the country as I was out on bail.

 

to extend visa, I had to get a letter from the court stating I was  clear to get visa .

 

once matter ended in court, name was removed 

[VoidedEntry]

6 minutes ago, BestB said:

No expert but blacklist does not always mean a blacklist.

 

in personal experience, I was on bail from the courts and my name was in immigrarion system. Some officers called it blacklist, ones with more brain called it a “notice “.

 

my notice was not to allow me out of the country as I was out on bail.

 

to extend visa, I had to get a letter from the court stating I was  clear to get visa .

 

once matter ended in court, name was removed 

 

And who should I go about contacting to get some more information on this, apparently they want information from me on something

[FritsSikkink]

If she did a police report they probably want to talk to you to explain what happened. You sound very paranoid, what was the reason the taxi driver was fired?

Edited July 15, 2018 by FritsSikkink

[VoidedEntry]

Taxi driver was fired because I was looking at maps, and he was going way out of the way to get to the airport to raise the fare, and she decided to take matters into her own hands, and got him fired, which wouldn't raise suspect, but she laughed about it. Anyhow yes, because I dont have a lot of information on it, so I dont know what it is, thai visa said that I was name locked but 'no remark' on the lock, so i guess on the computer screen it showed a name lock but didn't say what it was about or for?

[Old Croc]

If someone is on a country's black or alert list it's not necessarily only for Immigration reasons.

Foe example the police could place people on such lists for other matters.

[darksidedog]

I will be very careful how I word this, but if you are going to get a firm to run checks for you, it is advisable to use one that has a reputation for honesty and professionalism. You would be very well advised to ask a different firm to run the same checks and see what they have to say. I will send you a PM with the advice you need, and with that which I cannot say on the forum.

[mstevens]

Did this woman REALLY complain strongly enough to the taxi firm to get a taxi driver fired?  That strikes me as debatable.  I doubt that a driver would be fired for taking the long route as he could quite easily (and probably quite legitimately) explain that there was an accident / unusual or busy traffic that caused him to go the long way to save time.  Many taxi drivers are complained about for things much worse than going the long way and nothing comes of it.  This woman may very well be a BSer and as such, I wouldn't take a lot of notice of anything she says.

Edited July 15, 2018 by mstevens

[VoidedEntry]

11 minutes ago, mstevens said:

Did this woman REALLY complain strongly enough to the taxi firm to get a taxi driver fired?  That strikes me as debatable.  I doubt that a driver would be fired for taking the long route as he could quite easily (and probably quite legitimately) explain that there was an accident / unusual or busy traffic that caused him to go the long way to save time.  Many taxi drivers are complained about for things much worse than going the long way and nothing comes of it.  This woman may very well be a BSer and as such, I wouldn't take a lot of notice of anything she says.

Yes most deff. a bullshitter, totally agree with you there. Do I know for sure? Of course not, was he fired, maybe/maybe not, but I am just showing you the nature of her. But if infact a bullshitter, then maybe she wouldn't mind doing the same to me

Edited July 15, 2018 by VoidedEntry

[BritTim]

When a company in Thailand claims to have provided you with a service that you have no way of verifying was actually provided, be very suspicious. I doubt very much you were ever on a blacklist, and would be very curious as to how much you were charged to get yourself "removed". I am also curious as to what a "name locked" might mean.

 

As an aside, a statement that someone called "Somchai", a male first name with no surname, had issued a police report against you would make me immediately almost sure someone was trying to scam me.

[VoidedEntry]

Does anyone here understand thai?

[Crossy]

10 minutes ago, VoidedEntry said:

Does anyone here understand thai?

A number of our members are Thai, others speak / read / write Thai.

 

[VoidedEntry]

If anyone could send me a message to translate a few docs, dont need full translation, just look if anything seems suspcious

[BritTim]

3 hours ago, VoidedEntry said:

Taxi driver was fired because I was looking at maps, and he was going way out of the way to get to the airport to raise the fare, and she decided to take matters into her own hands, and got him fired, which wouldn't raise suspect, but she laughed about it. Anyhow yes, because I dont have a lot of information on it, so I dont know what it is, thai visa said that I was name locked but 'no remark' on the lock, so i guess on the computer screen it showed a name lock but didn't say what it was about or for?

Unless you know Bangkok very well, be cautious about assuming a taxi driver is trying to scam you by using what (to you) appears  to be a roundabout route. For instance, if you are in Phrakhanong (on Sukhumvit Road) and have told the driver not to use the expressway, he will probably go up Banga-Trad, then turn left to get to Suvarnabhumi. This is not the shortest route, but is much faster than trying to fight your way down Onnut Road

[BestB]

9 hours ago, VoidedEntry said:

 

And who should I go about contacting to get some more information on this, apparently they want information from me on something

No idea champ, my lawyer came back saying blacklist, when i went into immigration myself, they said its not a blacklist but just a notice.

[VoidedEntry]

59 minutes ago, BestB said:

No idea champ, my lawyer came back saying blacklist, when i went into immigration myself, they said its not a blacklist but just a notice.

Maybe I will get a mandatory visa extension, not sure if thats a good thing or not

[BestB]

2 hours ago, VoidedEntry said:

Maybe I will get a mandatory visa extension, not sure if thats a good thing or not

If immigration said you have nothing then you have nothing .

 

worse case, they will question you or throw you out of the country 

[Old Croc]

4 minutes ago, BestB said:

If immigration said you have nothing then you have nothing .

 

worse case, they will question you or throw you out of the country 

Worse case he's arrested and charged with a crime.

 

[Maestro]

11 hours ago, BritTim said:

...As an aside, a statement that someone called "Somchai", a male first name with no surname, had issued a police report against you would make me immediately almost sure someone was trying to scam me.

 

 

If the Royal Thai General System of Transcription (RTGS) was used for the transcription of Somchai it can refer to both a man (สมชาย) or a woman (สมใจ) but with different pronunciations

[VoidedEntry]

6 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Worse case he's arrested and charged with a crime.

 

You think immigration would lie to me though? This is a photo from the blacklist check... The real question lol, if this was true, and I was blacklisted on March 31, of 2016, then why when I left on April 5th of 2016, did they not stop me, arrest me, and detain me, I was told that the computer system might not have updated quick enough, but im sure if they issued an black list pending an investigation that I would have found out as I was leaving, something seems off.

Edited July 15, 2018 by VoidedEntry

[Old Croc]

8 minutes ago, VoidedEntry said:

You think immigration would lie to me though?

Yes, in as much as individuals will often give conflicting information.

 

However, you were told no blacklist, but subject of a "notice".

As I've stated above it's not necessarily a ban from entering, but possibly a police matter and they may want to interview you if you reenter the country. You did state she filed a police complaint for threatening her.

[VoidedEntry]

1 minute ago, Old Croc said:

Yes, in as much as individuals will often give conflicting information.

 

However, you were told no blacklist, but subject of a "notice".

As I've stated above it's not necessarily a ban from entering, but possibly a police matter and they may want to interview you if you reenter the country. You did state she filed a police complaint for threatening her.

No when I spoke with the girl, she told me she didn't do anything, she said 'why would I do that?', I contacted her directly after having my doubts about the blacklist check, the black list check said I had made a thread to a 'som chai' but I know no such person under the name, and hadn't had enough interactions in thailand.

[Maestro]

17 minutes ago, VoidedEntry said:

You think immigration would lie to me though? This is a photo from the blacklist check... The real question lol, if this was true, and I was blacklisted on March 31, of 2016, then why when I left on April 5th of 2016, did they not stop me, arrest me, and detain me...

 

 

Thr blacklist is for the purpose of denying a foreigner's entry into Thailand, not his departure from the country.

[VoidedEntry]

2 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

Thr blacklist is for the purpose of denying a foreigner's entry into Thailand, not his departure.

Yeah not sure, but if I was wanted for investigation, I am sure they'd take me aside.

[Maestro]

20 minutes ago, VoidedEntry said:

Yeah not sure, but if I was wanted for investigation, I am sure they'd take me aside.

 

Have you already looked at the clause in the Immigration Act stated in the blacklist search result as the reason for your "blacklist pending investigation"?

 

Quote

 

Section 12. Aliens falling into any of the following categories are excluded

from entering the Kingdom —

...

(7) Having been indicated under certain circumstances as likely to cause
disruption jeopardizing public peace or safety or the Kingdom security or being a person with
warrant of arrest issued by a foreign government;

 

 

[VoidedEntry]

8 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

Have you already looked at the clause in the Immigration Act stated in the blacklist search result as the reason for your "blacklist pending investigation"?

 

 

Yes I have quite extensively researched it. If it was black listed on March 31st, and I left on April 4th, why was I not stamped? Does it need seem to raise concern that something doesn’t quite add up?

Edited July 15, 2018 by VoidedEntry

[Maestro]

18 minutes ago, VoidedEntry said:

Yes I have quite extensively researched it. If it was black listed on March 31st, and I left on April 4th, why was I not stamped? Does it need seem to raise concern that something doesn’t quite add up?

 

It could mean that, or it could mean that only on an entry attempt during the blacklist period you need to taken aside and asked some questions, ie be investigated.

[VoidedEntry]

5 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

It could mean that, or it could mean that only on an entry attempt during the blacklist period you need to taken aside and asked some questions, ie be investigated.

Well per this lawyer I told them I was coming back to Thailand and all of a sudden they told me that it was a mistake and that the police forgot to send clearance to Thai immigration. So I guess for the sake of the story, it wouldn’t be a blacklist anymore, but that doesn’t get me anywhere just gives me more questions as to why Thai visa service seen it as a name lock