Very disappointing visit to Pattaya.

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Didn't see a single rat in Pattaya. Not the same in Bkk, which seemed to be infested with them.

Chiang Mai is dirtier than Pattaya.

 

Didn't see a single rat in Pattaya? What about your labrador, did she see any? 

[Jip99]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Didn't see a single rat in Pattaya. Not the same in Bkk, which seemed to be infested with them.

Chiang Mai is dirtier than Pattaya.

 

 

+1

[Dick Crank]

5 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Interesting I find it just the opposite.

On the entire beach there is not a public toilet.  Most people hit up Central mall or Royal Garden.  There are a few bars off beach road that will charge 10 b.  A true "public toilet" would be managed by a government agency.  Which is why you will not see them.

whats the sound of one hand clapping? a wet nappy wiping

 

take a long haul bus ride and watch out the window

 

your going to see tuk tuk and taxi guys pissing along the side of the road your whole journey. people who cant afford to by a  beer every time they need to piss

 

what they really need to do here is open the 7-11 toilets. could charge 10 baht for that and make a fortune

Edited July 21, 2018 by Dick Crank

[lamyai3]

6 hours ago, Dick Crank said:

take a long haul bus ride and watch out the window

 

your going to see tuk tuk and taxi guys pissing along the side of the road your whole journey. people who cant afford to by a  beer every time they need to piss

You'll also see the driver stopping the bus to do it at regular intervals. 

[morrobay]

OK let's not get too deep into this. On the topic/op, what you experienced on your visit on most counts highlights the widening gap now between a visitor and a resident.  All the things you miss are still here, but they are just not right in front of you as they were before. So residents have advantage.

[Kadilo]

1 hour ago, Dick Crank said:

i can certainly understand that. i cant go long either without some relief via my own hand. when im finis im ready to hit the road again.

Thanks for the update. 

[Ramen087]

20 hours ago, AbeSurd said:

Top 50 most dangerous cities. Vast majority on the American continent, including 4 US cities. As far as I can see, no European cities (including London) and no Asian cities either...

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html

Interesting the you point out four USA  cities while mentioning the Americas, when central and south America have more than a few times more.  Why are there no Asian cities? A lack of verifiable statistics perhaps? That's just a guess, BTW.  Seems odd that not one Asian city cracked the top fifty. Maybe because the cities surveyed are so populous the murder rate per hundred thousand is relatively low despite the number of homicides.

Edited July 22, 2018 by Ramen087

[AbeSurd]

4 hours ago, Ramen087 said:

Interesting the you point out four USA  cities while mentioning the Americas, when central and south America have more than a few times more.  Why are there no Asian cities? A lack of verifiable statistics perhaps? That's just a guess, BTW.  Seems odd that not one Asian city cracked the top fifty. Maybe because the cities surveyed are so populous the murder rate per hundred thousand is relatively low despite the number of homicides.

Yes, data from much of Asia may be less reliable. Out of interest:

Top 10 most dangerous European cities - no London....

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-europe.html

Top 15 (scroll down) most dangerous Asian cities - Bangkok is number 8....

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-asia.html

 

[brling]

On 7/20/2018 at 6:53 PM, The manic said:

I am not frail but neither were the 82 men and women murdered  in London this year. 

I guess you are too frail or timid to use the roads in Thailand. ie. 26,000 deaths / year.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎7‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 6:39 PM, bkk6060 said:

Interesting I find it just the opposite.

On the entire beach there is not a public toilet.  Most people hit up Central mall or Royal Garden.  There are a few bars off beach road that will charge 10 b.  A true "public toilet" would be managed by a government agency.  Which is why you will not see them.

Can use any hotel toilet for free, and paying 5 or 10 baht is hardly the same as 2 quid. Free loos in Royal Garden mall or Mikes shopping mall, or the new mall up the road.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎7‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 6:48 AM, lamyai3 said:

You'll also see the driver stopping the bus to do it at regular intervals. 

Seems there are guys seeing things that I've never seen in LOS and I've been taking long distance bus trips for decades. Perhaps referring to private buses, which I never use. Government buses have toilets on board.

[moontang]

Gree nBus is clean and excellent.  Mostly up North.

[bkk6060]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Can use any hotel toilet for free, and paying 5 or 10 baht is hardly the same as 2 quid. Free loos in Royal Garden mall or Mikes shopping mall, or the new mall up the road.

So, you verified my point.

Those mall toilets are suppose to be for customers of those facilities, not people from the beach to pee, pooh and clean off the sand.

 

A "public toilet" is like those on the beaches in many developed countries.

Like a public building on the beaches in California that is cleaned/maintained by a government entity.

Shower and toilets.

 

But I understand it would be a hassle to maintain in Thailand.  I am sure it would be filthy and probably a spot for LB to hang out and solicit customers.  

 

 

 

[balo]

17 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Those mall toilets are suppose to be for customers of those facilities, not people from the beach to pee, pooh and clean off the sand

Try to visit Burger King on beach road, their toilet are used as public toilet during the evening and nights,   The staff don't care  , sit down and eat and you will see people just walking in all the time  from nearby bars ,  just to use the toilet.  Not my favorite place. 

  

 

[Ling Kae]

7 hours ago, balo said:

Try to visit Burger King on beach road, their toilet are used as public toilet during the evening and nights,   The staff don't care  , sit down and eat and you will see people just walking in all the time  from nearby bars ,  just to use the toilet.  Not my favorite place. 

  

 

They might end up doing what I have seen done in France. Customers get a pin code to punch at the rest room entry door. If you are not a customer you can't get the code. Gee some people are tight, won't pay a lousy 5 baht.

[Kerryd]

I've never felt in danger walking around Pattaya, even at 3am when I've been "too drunk to ride a mototaxi and as a result walked about 2+ kms back to my apartment". (Seriously - I was on Soi 7, got hammered, went to Beach Road, walked all the way to Walking street and then to my apartment, because I thought I was too drunk to sit on the back of a mototaxi without falling off.)
I used to go to Beach Road in the wee hours a lot, either coming from Soi 7 or just to hit MacDonald's for a snack. Despite loads of lady-boys, hookers, taxi drivers and other people on the streets, I was never pick-pocketed, harassed, hassled or assaulted.

However, I have walked around downtown Vancouver, Delhi, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Toronto (and even Dubai) and the danger was real. I was mugged in Amsterdam my second night there. Scumbag Rastafarian wannabees trying to sell drugs by "accidentally" spilling some on you and then claiming you owe them for it (and having people armed with sword canes and knives behind you in case you tried to run). They weren't too smart though. I put my hands in my pockets and from one pocket I pulled a single 20 guilder note (yeah, it was a while ago) and from the other pocket maybe 5-6 guilder in coins and told them that was all I had. Lol - the guy looked at it, shook his head and walked away. I looked behind me and the 2 guys there moved back into the shadows of some trash dumpsters. (I actually had a couple thousand on me at the time - lucky I didn't end up floating face down in the nearby canal. Back at the hotel the barkeep told me I'd wandered into an area that the locals wouldn't even go into in the daytime unless there were 3-4 of them in a group and they wouldn't go there at night for any reason.)
 

I've seen people get mugged in downtown Vancouver, directly across the street from a police station ! No lie, me and another guy ran up to help one guy, the other guy pretended that he thought the muggers were there trying to help an injured guy (we knew better) and as soon as the other guy started dialing 911 on his phone, the muggers took off. We carried the guy across the street and into the police station and - again, not a word of a lie - the guy at the desk told us to call 911 ! He agreed to let us use his phone though. Wish I could have seen the look on the dispatcher's face when we called. She asked for the address, we told her and there was a pause, then she said "Isn't that the police station ?". 
That same area of Vancouver (the lower east side) is filled with druggies, pushers, pimps, dealers and other lowlifes. Not a place you want to wander around at night if you can help it but I've also nearly ended up in confrontations on a city bus in a nicer part of town and while walking down a main street in a the centre of the city. Both times I was alone and the other group had 3-4 people. (Funny how as soon as I turned to face them their balls turned to jelly and they took off. Seems they were used to confronting people that would be scared and likely to give them money to just go away. They didn't know I was in the army but apparently anyone that would turn and face them was someone they didn't want to try any BS with.)

Wandering around downtown Delhi felt like I had a target on my back, even in the daytime. At one hotel I went to the lobby and asked where a convenience store was so I could buy some snacks. The staff didn't want me to leave the hotel because they didn't think it was safe for me to be walking on the streets ! They finally pointed out a shop about 2 blocks away and off I went. As I walked it was almost like a movie. People on the street would be talking and doing whatever, but stop and look at me as I walked by. I couldn't have drawn more attention if I'd been naked ! Got to the store, bought my snacks and as I was walking back I could see a couple of the hotel staff standing in the doorway watching me in case anything happened.
Never got mugged or assaulted but I had the strong suspicion that if it had of been dark and I'd had a few drinks, things would have been a lot different.
I also stayed in a poorer hotel in a worse part of town for a couple days (a place our Nepalese workers stayed at while in transit to/from work). No problem in the daytime but again, they really, really didn't want me to go outside at night. (One bellboy though showed me a selection of "dates" that would be willing to come to the hotel though so I wouldn't have to go out if that was what I was looking for.)

Hamburg also has places where you had better be on your toes if you are walking around late at night, especially if you look/sound like "an American". A friend of mine got a baseball bat to the head and thrown down some stairs because he'd asked the DJ at a club to play a song and the DJ thought he was American and said something to the bouncer who then clubbed the guy and threw him down the stairs. Found out later the place was off limits to Americans because the people there hated them for some reason (they weren't Arabs or Russians - just Germans who maybe blamed the Americans for beating them in WW II or something).

Toronto is a lot like Vancouver. There are areas where you really don't want to be late at night. I lived there for awhile back in the 70s and it could be quite the nasty place at night. People used to carry heavy dog chains in their pockets (in case the cops stopped them they could claim they were looking for their lost dog). At times it was almost like the movie "The Warriors", but not as many people in costumes. Lots of street gangs though.

Dubai is a nice, modern city but you have to realize that 90% of the population of the UAE is made up of migrant workers from places like India, China and assorted African countries. Those are the people staffing all the shops and doing most of the "work" there, and most of them aren't paid very well. I've left my hotel to go to an ATM machine and been followed by groups of Indians maybe hoping I'd take a side alley or shortcut somewhere less visible. (I would normally just stay in the hotel or take a taxi but once in awhile I'd go out to check out other places or do a bit of shopping.) 
I even tested my theory once by going to an ATM a couple blocks from the hotel, then coming back and taking a detour through an alley that brought me to the back door of the hotel. I did the classic "duck into the alley at the last moment" trick and then did a speed walk to the hotel door and sure enough when I looked back, the 3 guys that had been following me had turned into the same alley and stopped up when they saw me looking at them from the door.
Another time one of the bellhops insisted on going to the ATM with me and he carried one of those big, heavy flashlights that make excellent clubs with him. Seems there had been a rash of "incidents" in the area and the hotel was being proactive in looking out for their guests (sort of).

You can find trouble in almost any city on the planet, if you are looking for it. In many of those cities though, trouble may find you whether you are looking or not.

 

You can find all the trouble you want in Pattaya (or Phuket, Bangkok, Chiang Mai) as well if you want it but it seems that it is far less likely that trouble will find you. Don't want to get hassled/mugged/pick-pocketed by ladyboys at 3 am on Beach Road ? Then don't go there !

Don't want to get beat up by a bunch of moto-taxi drivers for pissing on a Buddha shrine ? Then don't do it !
Don't want to get into a confrontation with a bunch of strangers ? Then don't get drunk and walk up to some and start yelling at them and insulting them.

 

Those are things that people actually do (and have been reported doing on T.V. and in the news) and people wonder why those people get into trouble. Other people have been here for decades and never had a problem.

A lot of the time, when people do have problems, the first place they should look for the cause in a mirror. 

[bermannor]

4 hours ago, Kerryd said:

I've never felt in danger walking around Pattaya, even at 3am when I've been "too drunk to ride a mototaxi and as a result walked about 2+ kms back to my apartment". (Seriously - I was on Soi 7, got hammered, went to Beach Road, walked all the way to Walking street and then to my apartment, because I thought I was too drunk to sit on the back of a mototaxi without falling off.)
I used to go to Beach Road in the wee hours a lot, either coming from Soi 7 or just to hit MacDonald's for a snack. Despite loads of lady-boys, hookers, taxi drivers and other people on the streets, I was never pick-pocketed, harassed, hassled or assaulted.

However, I have walked around downtown Vancouver, Delhi, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Toronto (and even Dubai) and the danger was real. I was mugged in Amsterdam my second night there. Scumbag Rastafarian wannabees trying to sell drugs by "accidentally" spilling some on you and then claiming you owe them for it (and having people armed with sword canes and knives behind you in case you tried to run). They weren't too smart though. I put my hands in my pockets and from one pocket I pulled a single 20 guilder note (yeah, it was a while ago) and from the other pocket maybe 5-6 guilder in coins and told them that was all I had. Lol - the guy looked at it, shook his head and walked away. I looked behind me and the 2 guys there moved back into the shadows of some trash dumpsters. (I actually had a couple thousand on me at the time - lucky I didn't end up floating face down in the nearby canal. Back at the hotel the barkeep told me I'd wandered into an area that the locals wouldn't even go into in the daytime unless there were 3-4 of them in a group and they wouldn't go there at night for any reason.)
 

I've seen people get mugged in downtown Vancouver, directly across the street from a police station ! No lie, me and another guy ran up to help one guy, the other guy pretended that he thought the muggers were there trying to help an injured guy (we knew better) and as soon as the other guy started dialing 911 on his phone, the muggers took off. We carried the guy across the street and into the police station and - again, not a word of a lie - the guy at the desk told us to call 911 ! He agreed to let us use his phone though. Wish I could have seen the look on the dispatcher's face when we called. She asked for the address, we told her and there was a pause, then she said "Isn't that the police station ?". 
That same area of Vancouver (the lower east side) is filled with druggies, pushers, pimps, dealers and other lowlifes. Not a place you want to wander around at night if you can help it but I've also nearly ended up in confrontations on a city bus in a nicer part of town and while walking down a main street in a the centre of the city. Both times I was alone and the other group had 3-4 people. (Funny how as soon as I turned to face them their balls turned to jelly and they took off. Seems they were used to confronting people that would be scared and likely to give them money to just go away. They didn't know I was in the army but apparently anyone that would turn and face them was someone they didn't want to try any BS with.)

Wandering around downtown Delhi felt like I had a target on my back, even in the daytime. At one hotel I went to the lobby and asked where a convenience store was so I could buy some snacks. The staff didn't want me to leave the hotel because they didn't think it was safe for me to be walking on the streets ! They finally pointed out a shop about 2 blocks away and off I went. As I walked it was almost like a movie. People on the street would be talking and doing whatever, but stop and look at me as I walked by. I couldn't have drawn more attention if I'd been naked ! Got to the store, bought my snacks and as I was walking back I could see a couple of the hotel staff standing in the doorway watching me in case anything happened.
Never got mugged or assaulted but I had the strong suspicion that if it had of been dark and I'd had a few drinks, things would have been a lot different.
I also stayed in a poorer hotel in a worse part of town for a couple days (a place our Nepalese workers stayed at while in transit to/from work). No problem in the daytime but again, they really, really didn't want me to go outside at night. (One bellboy though showed me a selection of "dates" that would be willing to come to the hotel though so I wouldn't have to go out if that was what I was looking for.)

Hamburg also has places where you had better be on your toes if you are walking around late at night, especially if you look/sound like "an American". A friend of mine got a baseball bat to the head and thrown down some stairs because he'd asked the DJ at a club to play a song and the DJ thought he was American and said something to the bouncer who then clubbed the guy and threw him down the stairs. Found out later the place was off limits to Americans because the people there hated them for some reason (they weren't Arabs or Russians - just Germans who maybe blamed the Americans for beating them in WW II or something).

Toronto is a lot like Vancouver. There are areas where you really don't want to be late at night. I lived there for awhile back in the 70s and it could be quite the nasty place at night. People used to carry heavy dog chains in their pockets (in case the cops stopped them they could claim they were looking for their lost dog). At times it was almost like the movie "The Warriors", but not as many people in costumes. Lots of street gangs though.

Dubai is a nice, modern city but you have to realize that 90% of the population of the UAE is made up of migrant workers from places like India, China and assorted African countries. Those are the people staffing all the shops and doing most of the "work" there, and most of them aren't paid very well. I've left my hotel to go to an ATM machine and been followed by groups of Indians maybe hoping I'd take a side alley or shortcut somewhere less visible. (I would normally just stay in the hotel or take a taxi but once in awhile I'd go out to check out other places or do a bit of shopping.) 
I even tested my theory once by going to an ATM a couple blocks from the hotel, then coming back and taking a detour through an alley that brought me to the back door of the hotel. I did the classic "duck into the alley at the last moment" trick and then did a speed walk to the hotel door and sure enough when I looked back, the 3 guys that had been following me had turned into the same alley and stopped up when they saw me looking at them from the door.
Another time one of the bellhops insisted on going to the ATM with me and he carried one of those big, heavy flashlights that make excellent clubs with him. Seems there had been a rash of "incidents" in the area and the hotel was being proactive in looking out for their guests (sort of).

You can find trouble in almost any city on the planet, if you are looking for it. In many of those cities though, trouble may find you whether you are looking or not.

 

You can find all the trouble you want in Pattaya (or Phuket, Bangkok, Chiang Mai) as well if you want it but it seems that it is far less likely that trouble will find you. Don't want to get hassled/mugged/pick-pocketed by ladyboys at 3 am on Beach Road ? Then don't go there !

Don't want to get beat up by a bunch of moto-taxi drivers for pissing on a Buddha shrine ? Then don't do it !
Don't want to get into a confrontation with a bunch of strangers ? Then don't get drunk and walk up to some and start yelling at them and insulting them.

 

Those are things that people actually do (and have been reported doing on T.V. and in the news) and people wonder why those people get into trouble. Other people have been here for decades and never had a problem.

A lot of the time, when people do have problems, the first place they should look for the cause in a mirror. 

Why do you not publish a book?

 

[KC 71]

Ahh good old Patts,the Blackpool of Thailand


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[WaveHunter]

I too am a "beach lover".  I'm from Bali so maybe I'm just spoiled when it comes to nice beaches but I spent a few days in Pattaya and hated it. 

 

It was noisy, crowded, polluted, and extremely tacky (like one of the tackiest places I've ever visited!). Now maybe if you're a sex tourist you might feel different but I think that's all that that place is about.

 

The beaches were horrid!  I mean, absolutely disgusting.  If you go for a swim, you find yourself LITERALLY with floating garbage all around you, just below the surface.  If you accidentally swallow the water, you feel like you should visit a doctor!  Many of the public sewers drain directly into the sea.  It really is GROSS!  One of the worst tourist-oriented beaches I've ever been to! 

 

After a few days, we just couldn't take it anymore so we moved just outside the city to a town called Pratumnak (just south of Pattaya), and it was much better.  Much quieter, way less touristy, and significantly less tacky.  While the beaches were still kind of dirty and polluted, they were much better, even swimmable, and the Thai people treated you less like a tourist and seemed genuinely friendly and engaging. The beaches and town infrastructures are also much better maintained than in Pattaya.  Plenty to do, to eat, and to enjoy just a few minute walk up the beach path in Jomtien

 

Jomtien seems nice too.  Much lower-key than Pattaya, with lots of reasonably priced eateries, bars, and even red-light stuff if that's your thing, but just WAY LESS tacky than Pattaya.  WAY LESS!

 

The only thing that was a little odd is that I think there are more Russians living there than Thai people!  I swear, you walk down the beach or thru the streets and all you hear is Russian being spoken.  Many buildings and signs, and restaurant menus are written in Russian.  There's even a night market in Pratumnak that is almost completely Russian vendors.  What's up with that?

 

As far as "beach towns" go, I guess Pattaya and the environs are kind of second-rate compared with Phuket, and especially with some of the islands but if you're gonna go to Pattaya, my recommendation is not to stay in Pattaya proper, but stay outside of it, like in the Jomtien / Pratumnak area, and if you must go into Pattaya, the cheap "baht buses" make it only a few minute ride away.

Edited August 6, 2018 by WaveHunter

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

I too am a "beach lover".  I'm from Bali so maybe I'm just spoiled when it comes to nice beaches but I spent a few days in Pattaya and hated it. 

 

It was noisy, crowded, polluted, and extremely tacky (like one of the tackiest places I've ever visited!). Now maybe if you're a sex tourist you might feel different but I think that's all that that place is about.

 

The beaches were horrid!  I mean, absolutely disgusting.  If you go for a swim, you find yourself LITERALLY with floating garbage all around you, just below the surface.  If you accidentally swallow the water, you feel like you should visit a doctor!  Many of the public sewers drain directly into the sea.  It really is GROSS!  One of the worst tourist-oriented beaches I've ever been to! 

 

After a few days, we just couldn't take it anymore so we moved just outside the city to a town called Pratumnak (just south of Pattaya), and it was much better.  Much quieter, way less touristy, and significantly less tacky.  While the beaches were still kind of dirty and polluted, they were much better, even swimmable, and the Thai people treated you less like a tourist and seemed genuinely friendly and engaging. The beaches and town infrastructures are also much better maintained than in Pattaya.  Plenty to do, to eat, and to enjoy just a few minute walk up the beach path in Jomtien

 

Jomtien seems nice too.  Much lower-key than Pattaya, with lots of reasonably priced eateries, bars, and even red-light stuff if that's your thing, but just WAY LESS tacky than Pattaya.  WAY LESS!

 

The only thing that was a little odd is that I think there are more Russians living there than Thai people!  I swear, you walk down the beach or thru the streets and all you hear is Russian being spoken.  Many buildings and signs, and restaurant menus are written in Russian.  There's even a night market in Pratumnak that is almost completely Russian vendors.  What's up with that?

 

As far as "beach towns" go, I guess Pattaya and the environs are kind of second-rate compared with Phuket, and especially with some of the islands but if you're gonna go to Pattaya, my recommendation is not to stay in Pattaya proper, but stay outside of it, like in the Jomtien / Pratumnak area, and if you must go into Pattaya, the cheap "baht buses" make it only a few minute ride away.

You do know this is the Pattaya forum. 

[WaveHunter]

25 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

You do know this is the Pattaya forum. 

With kindest regards, why would you suggest I might not be aware of that?  Title of thread = Very disappointing visit to Pattaya.  I'm simply agreeing and suggesting an alternative if you must visit the area and are more into the beaches than other more prurient things.  I happen to love the Pattaya area, just not the town proper. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by WaveHunter

[balo]

4 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

so we moved just outside the city to a town called Pratumnak (just south of Pattaya)

FYI Pratumnak is not a town and it's a part of Pattaya City ,   Pattaya is not only beach road and red light district.  In fact Pattaya is a big city if you move away from the beach area. 

 

 

 

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

With kindest regards, why would you suggest I might not be aware of that?  Title of thread = Very disappointing visit to Pattaya.  I'm simply agreeing and suggesting an alternative if you must visit the area and are more into the beaches than other more prurient things.  I happen to love the Pattaya area, just not the town proper. 

No offence. Seemed  by the way you posted that you were of the opinion that people on here were first timers. Most live here. 

I agree with you. I much prefer jomtien/Pratumnak which are just extensions of Pattaya but completely different in many ways. 

[WaveHunter]

14 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

No offence. Seemed  by the way you posted that you were of the opinion that people on here were first timers. Most live here. 

I agree with you. I much prefer jomtien/Pratumnak which are just extensions of Pattaya but completely different in many ways. 

Oh OK, I can see what you mean.  Consider though that many people who are planning a visit to Thailand visit this forum for information and tips.  I, myself, found it to be an outstanding resource in that regard.  My comments therefore were really towards those people.  I hope I didn't offend anybody by my remarks because I happen to really like the area.

Edited August 6, 2018 by WaveHunter

[Rimmer]

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[bkk6060]

23 hours ago, balo said:

FYI Pratumnak is not a town and it's a part of Pattaya City ,   Pattaya is not only beach road and red light district.  In fact Pattaya is a big city if you move away from the beach area. 

 

 

 

Made me laugh.

I do think some do not know like you say, how big this place is.

It reminded of a lady I was talking with one time who told me she lived in Soi Buakhao.  I told her it was Pattaya and she disagreed saying; No, it is Buakhao.  I guess it does seem to have a life of its own.:)

[WaveHunter]

On 8/6/2018 at 2:14 PM, balo said:

FYI Pratumnak is not a town and it's a part of Pattaya City ,   Pattaya is not only beach road and red light district.  In fact Pattaya is a big city if you move away from the beach area. 

 

 

 

OK, I shouldn't have said "town" but rather sub-districts.  I think most people understand I'm comparing Pratumnak to Central Pattaya (where most tourists go, which includes Pattaya Beach and the red-light districts).  You'd agree there is a HUGE difference in character between the two "sub-districts", yes?

Edited August 7, 2018 by WaveHunter

[balo]

5 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

I'm comparing Pratumnak to Central Pattaya (where most tourists go, which includes Pattaya Beach and the red-light districts).  You'd agree there is a HUGE difference in character between the two "sub-districts", yes?

 

If you talk about the dirty beaches and bar area , yes there is a difference , but then again , only maybe 10% of the city cover that area. Jomtien stretches all the way to Na Jomtien , and in the other direction Naklua , and "the dark side" across Sukhumvit.  

 

Most of the expats living here , do not visit the tourist areas with the central  bar areas , walking street or Pattaya beach road .

 

 

[Rimmer]

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[cat handler]

On 7/25/2018 at 5:28 PM, bermannor said:

Why do you not publish a book?

 

He just did.