Anyone worried about the Chinese property purchases in Thailand

[Lacessit]

9 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

At least these Chinese always coming here with wife and kids lots of other nationalities only the males going !

Seems Thai real estate it’s cheaper then Chinese real estate that is  y they buying here.

The price comparison is: Chiang Mai, 40 sqm studio condo 60,000 AUD. Melbourne, Australia 40 sqm studio condo 400,000 AUD, Hong Kong same same 1.5 million AUD.

[seancbk]

Read this article, the premise of which is that even as Western prestige recedes, English language becomes more powerful. I tend to agree. It is hard to go to any nook or cranny of the planet now where you cannot make yourself understood to someone in English.      https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/27/english-language-global-dominance

Sure the Chinese are spreading everywhere, but they are learning English (and Thai here).   

Another friend of mine explains the reason why English is dominant and why it won't switch to Chinese (see below)

One country (Britain) is economically dominant when the first global electronic communications networks come into being. When this country declines, another (more populous) country (the USA) speaking the same language takes its place as the dominant power in the world. During the transition from one country to the other being dominant, rather than fighting each other, the two countries fight together and destroy any possible threats to their power. When the power of the second of these countries goes into decline, they leave behind a wold in which the elites of another (much more populous) country (India) use the same language to communicate with each other, due to that country being linguistically divided. (The same thing happens in various other former colonial possessions of those two countries in Asia and Africa - The Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, South Africa etc, but India is the big one). When another country (China) which speaks a different language finally makes an economic threat to that country, it happens to use a writing system that is so complex that very few people are able to learn it as a second language, Thus the world gets a common language for virtually all international interactions and for many domestic interactions far, far, quicker than would have happened if it were not for that highly improbable series of events.

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, seancbk said:

It is hard to go to any nook or cranny of the planet now where you cannot make yourself understood to someone in English.   

Most of China, outside the largest cities, no English speaking, no English script.

Take a trip to anywhere in Hunan Province, then come back and repeat what you said.

 

As for 'worried about Chinese property purchases'

You could have written the same about the Russians, they came, they bought, they went home.

Back in the 80s it was Japanese buying up the world.

 

All countries have their moment of wealth, then a decade later they're gone and forgotten.

Edited August 1, 2018 by BritManToo

[seancbk]

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Most of China, outside the largest cities, no English speaking, no English script.

Take a trip to anywhere in Hunan Province, then come back and repeat what you said.

 

As for 'worried about Chinese property purchases'

You could have written the same about the Russians, they came, they bought, they went home.

Back in the 80s it was Japanese buying up the world.

 

All countries have their moment of wealth, then a decade later they're gone and forgotten.

 

Unless you go to really out of the way places, it is usually possible to find someone, even if they have only a rudimentary ability in English.  

It's the ones in the cities that will be gradually migrating to places like Thailand and they know that to get ahead in business they need either to speak English or have some English speakers in their organisation.   English is not going to be brushed aside anytime soon, so Chinese have to learn it and are doing so in droves.

 

[Peterw42]

16 hours ago, observer90210 said:

With all the red tape and real estate land restrictions or hassles, would the smart and willy Chinese really aim to get into the Thai real estate market ?

 

Perhaps for commercial or business oriented ventures they may buy up in Bangkok, but one could reasonably doubt seeing hordes of Chinese queueing up at some local real estate developper's office in Phuket to buy individual holiday pool villas or condos....Chinese don't like tropical heat or sun...

I dont know about phuket but in pattaya there are Chinese buying everywhere, even Chinese real estates opening up. I live at the back of jomtien and in my little cluster of shops (the usual 7/11, pharmacy, phone shop, restaurants etc) there is now a Chinese real estate agent, the signs are "only" in Chinese. I have a friend here who sells real estate and he is hitting the books trying to learn mandarin as 90% of enquiries, sales etc are now chinese.

[cnx355]

17 hours ago, White Christmas13 said:

Foreigners are not allowed to own land in Thailand by law. If interested in buying, a foreign investor has two options: either a 30-year leasehold or purchasing the property through a limited company. Apartments can be purchased by foreigners as long as at least 51% of the building is owned by Thais.

In Chiangmai and Bangkok  and Khon Kaen they use family relation or long time friends that are Thai-Chinese to buy land.  Do not forget that lot of Thai-Chinese still have connection with China.

[BritManToo]

26 minutes ago, cnx355 said:

In Chiangmai and Bangkok  and Khon Kaen they use family relation or long time friends that are Thai-Chinese to buy land.  Do not forget that lot of Thai-Chinese still have connection with China.

Good luck trusting your 'Thai family' to hold land and houses for you.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, seancbk said:

 

Unless you go to really out of the way places, it is usually possible to find someone, even if they have only a rudimentary ability in English.  

It's the ones in the cities that will be gradually migrating to places like Thailand and they know that to get ahead in business they need either to speak English or have some English speakers in their organisation.   English is not going to be brushed aside anytime soon, so Chinese have to learn it and are doing so in droves.

 

I suspect you've never been to China.

[zaZa9]

Its Chinas chance to be a colonial power.

 

Unlike the colonial powers before it , at least its paying the going rate and not threatening everyone with superior weaponry.

Nor does it appear to wish to 'convert' the local populus to its favourite  mumbo jumbo or political persuasion .

If they have been allowed to own  most of Vancouver , north Sydney and California , then  why not Bangkok?

[ronaldo0]

I was in hoi an in Vietnam a few weeks ago and they are there in the thousands .

They get taken to hoi an old town at night from da nang for a few hours and the placed is mobbed. There are also restaurants that cater for them with 6 buses or so outside and hotels that seem to only do Chinese guests and have huge restaurants to keep them eating there also.

From hoi an to da nang I noticed there were loads of places that looked like hotels but said they were game clubs. These are casinos built by the Chinese and full of Chinese gamblers and have everything so the guests never need leave. In a 35 minute drive I seen about 20 of them. There are condos going up everywhere plus gated community places with houses up to 3 million gbp !! All Chinese built and owned .

The driver from our hotel said it was difficult for foreigners to own a business etc but said high up officials were being well paid by the Chinese to turn a blind eye but the local people were getting pissed about it and were starting to rebel .

Oddly enough I also asked where most of our hotel guests were from as they were Asian and he said korea or japan . He said the hotel didn't accept Chinese guests !! ? 

[seancbk]

36 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I suspect you've never been to China.

 

Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Zhuhai.  Never been out to the boonies though.

[upu2]

17 hours ago, thailand49 said:

Agree with your assessment but I like to add?  The Chinese have been here a long time in many forms especially the Triads up North.

As you noted this is what the Chinese do they are the Master of the Art of War. Many forget China is still a Communist country still run by the old thinking Mao Chinese with a big twist of Capitalism? Personally, the Thais government will get what they deserve by the time the Thais figure out what has happened to them it will be too late, they are over their heads with the Master but the Thai leaders don't give a rat a-- for the common Thai, lining their pockets is what is important.

China, Government is the largest Triads of them all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

overnment is the largest triads of them all

 

Totally agree with you 100%

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Good luck trusting your 'Thai family' to hold land and houses for you.

You do not know what you are talking about. There is nothing new here, a few years back many acres of land around Chonburi were owned by Chinese, my wife's grandfather was one of them, as were most of our neighbours grandparents. The land was bought in the first born's name and when he died my father in law split it up among his siblings. You may have had a bad experience but you cannot tar all Thais with the same brush. Most in this area still observe both Thai and Chinese traditions.

At the side of the Chonburi bypass there is a Chinese graveyard that stretches for as far as the eye can see and at Quing Ming it becomes a canvas city as they come from all over to respect the dead.

At Ang Sila you will see one of the finest Chinese temples in Thailand, may come as a surprise to some but the Chinese were here before the Vietnam war.

[elgenon]

On 7/29/2018 at 2:42 PM, upu2 said:

Of course China will take over Thailand slowly but surely. It is only the Thais that cant apparently see that. Standard practice for Chinese, it is what they do and they are very good at it.

As a foreigner here there is nothing we can do about it. If the powers that be dont stop it then it will continue. One day we will all wake up and find the only language understood in Thailand is Mandarin

The Shinawat family is Chinese. 

[elgenon]

23 hours ago, nervona81732 said:

Don't forget to include U.S.A. and others on that list. I know in America they own vast swaths of land and biz. They own California BTW.

Really? I am very interested in reading your source material. Please tell me. I want to know what is going on.

[Naam]

31 minutes ago, elgenon said:

On 7/31/2018 at 3:04 PM, nervona81732 said:

Don't forget to include U.S.A. and others on that list. I know in America they own vast swaths of land and biz. They own California BTW.

Really? I am very interested in reading your source material. Please tell me. I want to know what is going on.

it is a well known fact that the Chinese own northern California. southern California belongs 95% to the Ferengis and species 4792 from the Delta quadrant who pose as Hispanics with the help of shapeshifters.

[Naam]

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Anyone worried about the Chinese property purchases in Thailand

i have big problems falling asleep because these Chinas property bandits are buying left and right.

[thailand49]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

You do not know what you are talking about. There is nothing new here, a few years back many acres of land around Chonburi were owned by Chinese, my wife's grandfather was one of them, as were most of our neighbours grandparents. The land was bought in the first born's name and when he died my father in law split it up among his siblings. You may have had a bad experience but you cannot tar all Thais with the same brush. Most in this area still observe both Thai and Chinese traditions.

At the side of the Chonburi bypass there is a Chinese graveyard that stretches for as far as the eye can see and at Quing Ming it becomes a canvas city as they come from all over to respect the dead.

At Ang Sila you will see one of the finest Chinese temples in Thailand, may come as a surprise to some but the Chinese were here before the Vietnam war.

 

[thailand49]

1 minute ago, thailand49 said:

 

You are correct, it is just people can't seem to see the difference in a short time. Just like going to a GoGo dominated by Asian, in general, many white folks can't tell the difference. You know the saying you seen one temple you have seen them all?

In North Pattaya, Naklua right pass the market is a huge Chinese population yearly they have the biggest Chinese Vegetarian festival.

If people are interested in how the Chinese got to be all over the place including the U.S. try looking up and obtaining this book " Overseas Chinese "  it has been decades for me but it is a great read. 

Today, I know Billions are being laundry outside of Bangkok with Chinese from Hong Kong buying up Condo's before they are even finished. 

 

 

[upu2]

On 8/1/2018 at 2:52 PM, elgenon said:

The Shinawat family is Chinese. 

The Thai people originally came from China

[elgenon]

On 8/1/2018 at 3:28 PM, Naam said:

it is a well known fact that the Chinese own northern California. southern California belongs 95% to the Ferengis and species 4792 from the Delta quadrant who pose as Hispanics with the help of shapeshifters.

Well now that you stated statistical facts and their source I have to believe you. Much gracias. 

[ELVIS123456]

It will be very interesting whether this 'practice' continues to increase in the future. Trump is kicking them hard and they are kicking back. Cant see China winning that fight as they need the US market much more than US needs the China market.  China might therefore start 'investing' even more is their domination of SEAsia, and Thailand is the key to any long term and successful 'takeover'.  What they couldnt win in the past through old fashioned 'military expansion', they are clearly winning through economic expansion (and building islands). 

 

I recall that old Chinese curse - 'May you live in interesting times'  It will be very interesting to see how things play out in SEAsia over the next few decades.

 

[ELVIS123456]

On 8/2/2018 at 6:59 PM, upu2 said:

The Thai people originally came from China

Not true 100%. Today's Thai people are made up of many ancient people's - including perhaps 20% being from the Han Chinese descent and maybe 15-20% are more modern Chinese. 

More are from ancient Lao and Khmer and even India.  Records are not great, but Thailand (Siam) has been a great 'mixing pot' of Asian peoples for a long long time - not just from China.

Suffice to say that those of Chinese ancestry are 'over represented' in the numbers of the rich and powerful Thais.

 

[Naam]

18 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

What they couldnt win in the past through old fashioned 'military expansion...

which areas couldn't they win pray tell? 

[upu2]

22 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Not true 100%. Today's Thai people are made up of many ancient people's - including perhaps 20% being from the Han Chinese descent and maybe 15-20% are more modern Chinese. 

More are from ancient Lao and Khmer and even India.  Records are not great, but Thailand (Siam) has been a great 'mixing pot' of Asian peoples for a long long time - not just from China.

Suffice to say that those of Chinese ancestry are 'over represented' in the numbers of the rich and powerful Thais.

 

True but the majority came from China

[cornishcarlos]

I wonder if we can sell our plot in Chaiyaphum to them ???  

Might bang it on a Chinese real estate website ?

[BernieOnTour]

Well, the Chinese were always great in copying !

 

And they had good teachers, how to extent their influence in "border countries". Just analyze, what was happening in the Caribbean, Middle- and Latin America. e.g. Google "Cuba", "United Fruits" ....

[BernieOnTour]

On 8/5/2018 at 7:35 AM, ELVIS123456 said:

Not true 100%. Today's Thai people are made up of many ancient people's - including perhaps 20% being from the Han Chinese descent and maybe 15-20% are more modern Chinese. 

More are from ancient Lao and Khmer and even India.  Records are not great, but Thailand (Siam) has been a great 'mixing pot' of Asian peoples for a long long time - not just from China.

Suffice to say that those of Chinese ancestry are 'over represented' in the numbers of the rich and powerful Thais.

 

Recently, there was a scientific study posted, based on DNA analysis:

12% full Chinese DNA

41% partly Chinese DNA

 

In its early days, Bangkok had more inhabitants with Chinese roots, than Thais.

 

The conversion from Chinese to "Thai-Chinese" was not starting before the 50s, when there was extreme pressure from the Thai government (dictatorship).

 

Just to get an idea of the importance of "Thainess" versus "Chinese-ness" of powerful Thai-Chinese, I recommend this article about C.P. (among others, running the 7/11s):  https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/My-Personal-History/Dhanin-Chearavanont/Dhanin-Chearavanont-1-The-Thai-company-with-Chinese-roots-and-a-global-vision

 

Compared to Westerners, the old Chinese saying towards government and business is perhaps also interesting: "Don't care, who is holding the head of the cow, as long as You can milk it ..."