Jailed British anti-Muslim activist Robinson released on bail

[josephbloggs]

12 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Not sure what answer you are referring to - you have simply kept parroting the same inane question.  As I mentioned in an earlier reply to you, who's to say it didn't or won't prejudice this trial? 

 

Now a question for you.  Let's say, in this instance, the verdicts stick and the trial isn't reheld, was is it still right for Yaxley Lennon to do what he did when it was illegal and put the whole legal process in jeopardy?

For someone who was so adamant I answer their question even though I did, several times, I notice you have chosen not to answer mine.  Any response?

[duanebigsby]

2 hours ago, the guest said:

UK is a lost cause, and it's common knowledge that demographics will dictate the tone. The Muslim population is growing exponentially, and Sharia law is now being recognized by the courts. Who do think will be running the country in say 50 years from now?  I'll give you a clue, it won't be infidels !

Sharia marriage was recognized as being parallel to British common law marriage and  grants more rights to the women. Nothing to do with Sharia law being accepted as English common law.

[josephbloggs]

Interesting article here about how much money he's earning from all this.  I can't believe people on this thread are bragging about sending him money - he's rubbing his hands with glee at having such gullible followers.  And I can guarantee you he has no respect for you at all.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-wealth-supporters-far-right-prison-freed-crime-a8473536.html

Edited August 4, 2018 by josephbloggs

[Kadilo]

24 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

And here's a question; everyone is entitled to their opinion and their views.  Why is it that the far right don't have an eloquent well educated person to represent them?  Why do they need to be represented by a violent, tattooed, former football hooligan wife beater?  A lot of his followers fit the same profile.   Surely if you put your case forward more reasonably and made sensible and proper proposals then more people might listen or take you seriously.  

 

But instead you put all your faith in a proven thug, wife beater and liar.  I really don't understand....

 

 

Erm..... they don’t have any?

[josephbloggs]

7 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Erm..... they don’t have any?

Yep, and for a very good reason.

[My Thai Life]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Can you please explain the consequences of the recognition of the Sharia marriage?

Well one of the benefits for male muslim immigrants is that they can have more than one wife, and claim benefits for them (which they wouldn't be able to do under their native shariah law back home).

 

They are not yet allowed to stone their gay son to death (well not in the UK, unlike some of their home countries), or to murder their daughter for not wanting to get married to a stranger from a Pakistani village who cannot speak English (though it does happen frequently in the UK - the BBC and Guardian can shine light on your ignorance), or to cut off their baby daughter's clitoris (again, the BBC and Guardian can enlighten your ignorance).

 

But I'm sure with the help of you pseudo liberals these rights can be attained.

[Scott]

Troll post and reply removed.  

[simple1]

6 hours ago, My Thai Life said:

Well one of the benefits for male muslim immigrants is that they can have more than one wife, and claim benefits for them (which they wouldn't be able to do under their native shariah law back home).

 

They are not yet allowed to stone their gay son to death (well not in the UK, unlike some of their home countries), or to murder their daughter for not wanting to get married to a stranger from a Pakistani village who cannot speak English (though it does happen frequently in the UK - the BBC and Guardian can shine light on your ignorance), or to cut off their baby daughter's clitoris (again, the BBC and Guardian can enlighten your ignorance).

 

But I'm sure with the help of you pseudo liberals these rights can be attained.

Your first concern has now been addressed with recently enacted legislation. Muslims are not the only people practising polygamous relationships, there are Christian cults and so on. 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3414264/Want-higher-benefits-marry-one-wife-New-welfare-rules-hand-extra-taxpayer-cash-polygamists.html

 

Why do you and others exclusively focus on a very small minority of Muslims in the UK, albeit with very cruel cultural practices. As has already been identlined there are other ethno religious groups in the UK doing the exact same.  Posters such as you are intent on vilification of all Muslims; comes across as extremely bigoted.

Edited August 4, 2018 by simple1

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, duanebigsby said:

Sharia marriage was recognized as being parallel to British common law marriage and  grants more rights to the women. Nothing to do with Sharia law being accepted as English common law.

Yes, which is why I asked the question to the poster to explain the consequences. He would have realised himself that this is a very positive development for equality of muslim women in the UK.

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, My Thai Life said:

Well one of the benefits for male muslim immigrants is that they can have more than one wife, and claim benefits for them (which they wouldn't be able to do under their native shariah law back home).

 

They are not yet allowed to stone their gay son to death (well not in the UK, unlike some of their home countries), or to murder their daughter for not wanting to get married to a stranger from a Pakistani village who cannot speak English (though it does happen frequently in the UK - the BBC and Guardian can shine light on your ignorance), or to cut off their baby daughter's clitoris (again, the BBC and Guardian can enlighten your ignorance).

 

But I'm sure with the help of you pseudo liberals these rights can be attained.

No.

 

If it contravenes British law it is now not allowed anymore.

 

This is one of the best things that could have happened to muslim women in the UK.

[duanebigsby]

14 hours ago, My Thai Life said:

Well one of the benefits for male muslim immigrants is that they can have more than one wife, and claim benefits for them (which they wouldn't be able to do under their native shariah law back home).

 

They are not yet allowed to stone their gay son to death (well not in the UK, unlike some of their home countries), or to murder their daughter for not wanting to get married to a stranger from a Pakistani village who cannot speak English (though it does happen frequently in the UK - the BBC and Guardian can shine light on your ignorance), or to cut off their baby daughter's clitoris (again, the BBC and Guardian can enlighten your ignorance).

 

But I'm sure with the help of you pseudo liberals these rights can be attained.

No liberal is advocating for the barbaric practices you keep dragging up.

You keep claiming you"re a liberal and call everyone else a pseudo-liberal.

Quite disingenuous.

Your vitriol and hatred against anything Islamic is clearly not liberal.

 

The courts have simply decided that a marriage under sharia law which is not officially registered with the gov't as a marriage is the same as common law couples who've never officially married in the UK, granting the spouses rights common law gives UK citizens.

 

What is so difficult to comprehend about that?

 

[alfieconn]

16 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

So right wing racist Tommy gets "interviewed" by right wing Fox news and is allowed to repeat his lies unchallenged.  How is that POWERFUL (in caps)?

 

He was not kept in solitary confinement for two months, that is an utter lie.  I sincerely doubt his other claims but have no proof.  However, comparing it to Guantanamo Bay is just sickening, repulsive and utterly ridiculous.  The man is not a victim, although he likes to portray himself as one to encourage donations and further his own notoriety.

 

Nothing changes the fact he is a racist, violent, lying, wife beating, fraudulent criminal.  All proven facts.  Even if I held similarly racist views (I don't) I would be ashamed to be represented by him.  

 The lefties and MSM don't realize that when they demonize him  and just make up stories that it grows and makes his support stronger, so best they keep going  !

Edited August 5, 2018 by alfieconn

[My Thai Life]

3 hours ago, duanebigsby said:

Your vitriol and hatred against anything Islamic is clearly not liberal.

I haven't expressed any vitriol or hatred. I have just reminded people of common practices performed by muslims in the UK. The people who perform these practises are not radicals or terrorists, they are often nice middle class Pakistanis abusing our liberal system.

 

Islam is the most illiberal superstition in the world today, and by ignoring this the pseudo liberals are tacitly contributing to the oppression of muslims (usually children or adolescents or young adults) by other muslims.

 

Turning to the gang rapists that Robinson is rightly disgusted by, they use their koran to justify their actions - the appalling treatment of young women and children, predominantly "kaffir".

 

And if you want to see vitriol on this thread, you are much more likely to find it in the posts of the pseudo liberals than in the posts of Robinson's supporters. Just review the posts.

 

I have spent a long time in the Islamic world, and have read the subject extensively in books by muslim writers, whereas you're just a guy with rose-tinted spectacles and no experience or knowledge.

 

Finally, the fact that I feel absolute disgust for the same people that Robinson feels disgust for does not make me a Robinson supporter.

Edited August 5, 2018 by My Thai Life

[duanebigsby]

25 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

I haven't expressed any vitriol or hatred. I have just reminded people of common practices performed by muslims in the UK. The people who perform these practises are not radicals or terrorists, they are often nice middle class Pakistanis abusing our liberal system.

 

Islam is the most illiberal superstition in the world today, and by ignoring this the pseudo liberals are tacitly contributing to the oppression of muslims (usually children or adolescents or young adults) by other muslims.

 

Turning to the gang rapists that Robinson is rightly disgusted by, they use their koran to justify their actions - the appalling treatment of young women, predominantly "kaffir".

 

And if you want to see vitriol on this thread, you are much more likely to find it in the posts of the pseudo liberals than in the posts of Robinson's supporters. Just review the posts.

 

I have spent a long time in the Islamic world, and have read the subject extensively in books by muslim writers, whereas you're just a guy with rose-tinted spectacles and no experience or knowledge.

 

Finally, the fact that I feel absolute disgust for the same people that Robinson feels disgust for does not make me a Robinson supporter.

Did I ever accuse you of being a Robinson supporter?

 

You have no clue as to how well read I am nor how much experience I may have within Islamic communities.

 

Your anti Muslim posts are pure vitriol. I stand by that assertion.

 

It is an absolute minority doing the horrendous things you quote but you attribute the deeds to be wide spread by all Muslims.

 

Edited August 5, 2018 by duanebigsby

[My Thai Life]

As Sarah Champion MP said: "more people are afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse". She was talking specifically about muslim grooming rape gangs.

 

I believe Corbyn engineered her resignation from her ministerial post as a result of her views. It’s pseudo-liberal political-correctness gone crazy. And it plays straight into the hands of the right wing.

 

And before the pseudo liberals here complain that rape isn’t limited to muslim rape gangs – yes you’re right. But muslim rape gangs are the only ones that use their “religion” to justify it.

[duanebigsby]

5 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

As Sarah Champion MP said: "more people are afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse". She was talking specifically about muslim grooming rape gangs.

 

I believe Corbyn engineered her resignation from her ministerial post as a result of her views. It’s pseudo-liberal political-correctness gone crazy. And it plays straight into the hands of the right wing.

 

And before the pseudo liberals here complain that rape isn’t limited to muslim rape gangs – yes you’re right. But muslim rape gangs are the only ones that use their “religion” to justify it.

Quit using the phrase "pseudo liberal"  while claiming to be a "true" liberal.

You are as about as close as can be to ignorant  red-neck conservative republican as can be.

[My Thai Life]

The phrases pseudo-liberal and politically-correct are well established, and they adequately describe people who are desperate to be considered progressive, but who actually don't know their left from their right.

 

"Republican"? eh, this is a UK-based topic, and we don't have a republican party in the UK. You are proving yourself to be even more confused about politics than your previous posts have shown.

 

[7by7]

4 hours ago, alfieconn said:

 The lefties and MSM don't realize that when they demonize him  and just make up stories that it grows and makes his support stronger, so best they keep going  !

It is not the MSM who make up stories about Yaxley-Lennon; he does that himnself.

 

He is a proven liar, yet the gullible sheople still believe him and even send him money to fund his champagne lifestyle and trips to the races.

 

He is laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, My Thai Life said:

Turning to the gang rapists that Robinson is rightly disgusted by, they use their koran to justify their actions - the appalling treatment of young women and children, predominantly "kaffir"

We are all, I hope, disgusted by gang rape, by any rape, by any form of child or sexual abuse..

 

But, unlike Yaxley-Lennon, we do not all use the suffering of the victims to increase our bank balance!

 

[duanebigsby]

14 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

The phrases pseudo-liberal and politically-correct are well established, and they adequately describe people who are desperate to be considered progressive, but who actually don't know their left from their right.

 

"Republican"? eh, this is a UK-based topic, and we don't have a republican party in the UK. You are proving yourself to be even more confused about politics than your previous posts have shown.

 

OK, I made a mistake using the word "Republican" Just substitute conservative and you have the same difference. You aren't progressive in any way. 

[7by7]

As said before, that it took so long for the various abuse cases to be taken seriously by the relevant authorities, including the police, is a national scandal.

 

Just as it is a national scandal that the child abuse by Catholic and Anglican priests were also swept under the carpet for so long.

 

But what has Yaxley-Lennon said about those? Nothing at all.

 

What did Yaxley-Lennon have to do with exposing any child abuse? Nothing at all.

 

How many child rapists has Yaxley-Lennon discovered and reported to the authorities? None at all.

 

How many child rapists have been brought to justice with even the tiniest piece of assistance from Yaxley-Lennon? None at all.

 

Yaxley-Lennon has only ever been involved in three child abuse cases, one of possessing child pornography, one of abducting a 15 year old girl and taking photos of her in the bath and one of a child being groomed and then raped over 100 times.

 

All three perverts were EDL members; two of them definitely at the same time as Yaxley-Lennon and one of them a co-founder of the EDL with him.

 

In the first case he at first defended the pornography owner; until outrage from EDL members made him change his mind and condemn him.

 

The second he ignored completely and made no comment.

 

The third, who was the co EDL founder, at first he tried to ignore it, then he denied any connection at all; even though they were both listed on the EDL website as co founders!

 

This is yet more proof that Yaxley -Lennon's only interest in child abuse is how much money he can make from it.

 

He only concentrates on cases where the accused or convicted are Muslims so he can feed the rise in Islamaphobia among a small minority in the UK.

 

He doesn't go after paedophile Catholic priests or others because there's no money to be made from it.

 

That he may have to spend a few months in a category C prison, the only prison's easier are category D open ones, is a small price for him to pay; after all, his several convictions for violence and other crimes all mean that he's used to prison!

 

 

Edited August 5, 2018 by 7by7
correct typos

[7by7]

As a Rotherham grooming gang survivor, I want people to know about the religious extremism which inspired my abusers

 

Her linking the grooming gangs with Islamic extremism and terrorism is an interesting thought, and I must confess not one I had considered before.

 

As well as that, she has something to say which is very relevant to this topic:

Quote

But for Tommy Robinson and his followers to focus on an entire religion, based on the cruel interpretations of some scriptures by some people, is unhelpful, to say the least. Many of his religious theories and conjecture are not anything that I can relate to in my real life experiences.

Most grooming gang survivors I know absolutely condemn anti-Islamic hate, and we’re uncomfortable with English Defence League protests. We certainly don’t want random attacks on “all Muslims”. You can’t cure harm with more harm.

 Does Yaxley-Lennon really speak for the victims?

 

According to this brave woman; he doesn't.

 

I, for one, believe her, not him.

[HAKAPALITA]

Ok , perhaps my English bit off, but to me this man is anti Islamic laws , dictates,not anti Muslim.


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[josephbloggs]

9 hours ago, alfieconn said:

 The lefties and MSM don't realize that when they demonize him  and just make up stories that it grows and makes his support stronger, so best they keep going  !

Ok, so I assume you are implying I have made up stories about him.  Anyone who can read or do their own research can clearly see that it is Yaxley-Lennon that is guilty of inventing stories.  "Lefties" don't need to invent anything as he digs his own holes so readily.  And the media simply report the news, so if that happens to contradict his imaginary version of events then so be it, but his supporters blame the "mainstream media" for reporting these facts.  And then they give money to him while he laughs his way to the bank.

 

However, you chose to highlight two sentences in my post, so I will address those as I assume you mean to suggest they are "made up stories"

 

"He was not kept in solitary confinement for two months, that is an utter lie."

 

This is very much a lie.  "Mr Yaxley-Lennon was treated with the same fairness we aim to show all prisoners - he had access to visits, television and showers - and it is totally false to say he was held in 'solitary confinement'”, said a Prison Service spokesman. "He was initially placed into the Care & Separation Unit for less than 48 hours while an assessment of the risk to his safety was undertaken by prison staff. He then joined the main prison population."

 

"Nothing changes the fact he is a racist, violent, lying, wife beating, fraudulent criminal."

 

Let's take these one by one.

Is he a racist?  I think this is not in question.

Is he violent?  His multiple arrests and prison sentences for violence and violent behaviour suggest he is.

Is he a liar?  Yes he is.  He has lied in court.  Not in dispute.  There are so many incidences of him lying that it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Is he a wife beater?  Yes.  Well, a girlfriend beater if that makes it any better (it doesn't).  Well documented and he went to prison for the attack as he then assaulted a policeman who intervened.   A violent woman beater he is, documented and not in doubt.

 

I notice you didn't highlight "fraudulent criminal" so I guess you accept that and there's no need for me to elaborate.

 

Would you consider The Sun to be a liberal leftie newspaper?  Not many people would.  I despise The Sun for many reasons but even they recently denounced your hero for what he is.  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6912226/tommy-robinson-released-appeal-free-prison-latest/

 

The Sun Says:

 

TOMMY Robinson is a nasty thug and a grandstanding idiot.  He is not a freedom fighter. Nor is he the hero he is made out to be in the sewer which social media has become.  Nor is he a “reporter” fearlessly exposing an establishment cover-up of rapes by gangs of Asian men. That scandal has been exposed by actual journalists.  In fact Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, almost wrecked the trial of some accused of serious crime, thus potentially denying both them and their alleged victims justice.

Yesterday he was freed on appeal over his contempt of court. Supporters say he was locked up too hastily and for too long. But he  was already serving a suspended sentence for the same offence. His many convictions stretch from violence to fraud. We have no sympathy.  The case he jeopardised in Leeds had reporting restrictions, temporarily preventing details being publicised. They’re neither unusual nor a politically-correct cover-up. They’re to avoid prejudicing and collapsing other trials linked to it.

Robinson blatantly flouted them, was in contempt — and admitted it.  Yes, our legal system IS too secretive. On this occasion it was crucial in the interests of justice.  It’s time his supporters grasped it.

 

------

 

It is embarrassing to watch his followers trying to defend him and argue he is not just a racist thug who is playing on their prejudices to further his own enrichment - it is plainly obvious.  

[newatthis]

8 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

 

It is embarrassing to watch his followers trying to defend him and argue he is not just a racist thug who is playing on their prejudices to further his own enrichment - it is plainly obvious.  

Joseph, you're wasting your words on his followers. There is no doubt that he is promoting a new Aryan ideology, but the Jews are not the target this time. Sadly, people are lapping it up.  Hopefully, Brexit will happen quickly and then these racists can gloat in their self-perpetuated disaster.

[HAKAPALITA]

My nation is rather aware thet Radical Islam is dangerous to the Indigenous Population of any host Country, so we dont have many Tom Robinsos.

[Grouse]

On 8/1/2018 at 9:47 PM, sammieuk1 said:

I don't really know who he is but out of interest did he vote for Brexit?

I vote this as "post of the year"

[7by7]

3 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

My nation is rather aware thet Radical Islam is dangerous to the Indigenous Population of any host Country, so we dont have many Tom Robinsos.

My nation, the UK, is very aware of the dangers extremists pose: whatever their motivation.

 

After all we suffered from the atrocities of Irish terrorism, Republican and Nationalist, for decades. 

 

But as that conflict showed, two sets of extremists only make the situation worse. We have already had 'revenge' attacks on ordinary Muslims: the last thing any sane person wants is more innocent blood shed! 

 

BTW, what is your country? 

[HAKAPALITA]

33 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

My nation, the UK, is very aware of the dangers extremists pose: whatever their motivation.

 

After all we suffered from the atrocities of Irish terrorism, Republican and Nationalist, for decades. 

 

But as that conflict showed, two sets of extremists only make the situation worse. We have already had 'revenge' attacks on ordinary Muslims: the last thing any sane person wants is more innocent blood shed! 

 

BTW, what is your country? 

Nort Norway.

[alfieconn]

Quote

 

"He was not kept in solitary confinement for two months, that is an utter lie."

 

This is very much a lie.  "Mr Yaxley-Lennon was treated with the same fairness we aim to show all prisoners - he had access to visits, television and showers - and it is totally false to say he was held in 'solitary confinement'”, said a Prison Service spokesman. "He was initially placed into the Care & Separation Unit for less than 48 hours while an assessment of the risk to his safety was undertaken by prison staff. He then joined the main prison population."

 

 

 

Apparently he was placed in the Care & Separation unit for less than 48 hr's, but this letter indicates he was in the Care and Separation Unit for at least 5 day's, now that doesn't prove that was in solitary confinement for 2 months but certainly confirms the Prison service have lied !!!

 

As for wife beating  show me proof that this happened !