Canada to ask allies to help cool Saudi dispute; U.S. offers no aid

[geriatrickid]

On 8/7/2018 at 8:02 PM, car720 said:

So true and interesting to notice that big mouth runs scared as soon as the Saudis threaten anything.  What a woosie.

No one has run scared. They are using common sense. The Canadians are hypocrites. The picked the KSA because they assumed there would be no reaction.  The same government has been  quiet  in respect to much more serious human rights abuses in Pakistan, China  and India. It has done very little to  support the Canadian victims of the Iranian regime including those who have had brutal deaths while in detention, including a Canadian journalist and  Canadian professor/environmentalist.

[geriatrickid]

10 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said:

Not as high a price as principles. 

Canada  walks on eggshells when it comes to countries with far worse  human rights issues. When is the last time the Trudeau government  spoke out on the abuses in Nigeria? (Hint- he hasn't.)

 

4 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

What about all this freedom and liberty the yanks talk about. Now is the time to step up and put their money where their mouth is . I don't think it will happen greed Trumps principles every time.

Why do you expect the USA to do this? What of the EU? How about South Korea , or Thailand or India? Isn't India supposed to have a special relationship with Canada?

 

19 hours ago, ramrod711 said:

Saudi Arabia has also ordered roughly 15,000 Saudis studying in Canada to leave.

So it isn't all bad news then.

It is for the thousands of Canadians who will suffer when  10% of medical residents in some major cities  leave. And because the Saudis occupy the most skilled positions, in some cases, that's 50% of specialized medical residents at some teaching hospitals. The Saudis were paying their salaries too.  Emergency rooms at some hospitals are going to close  because the chief resident is Saudi and the trauma specialists who shoulder much of the work are Saudi.  This is a medical crisis in the making.  Canadians do not know how dependent they are on those Saudi doctors.

 

14 hours ago, Jonnapat said:

Because so called allies usually help each other, simple!

Canada is finding out that the rest of the world doesn't care about its double standards and insincerity. It talks big on the KSA but still has not addressed its ongoing human rights crisis with its first nations.

 

14 hours ago, Jonnapat said:

Canada has every right to expect assistance from it's closest ally.

I've long wondered why the US is so cosy with this archaic regime which cares not a fig for human rights. Any decent President would act to try to mediate, but there again there is tRump.

The USA cannot mediate Canada's mickey mouse approach to diplomacy. The first step is for Canada to walk back its insulting statements. 

 

 

[Spidey]

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 3:09 AM, My Thai Life said:

This is from the state that spawned 15 of the 19 9-11 attackers

And all of the organisers and all of the funding and still refuse to extradite the organisers back to the US for trial.

[ramrod711]

5 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

On ‎8‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 1:01 PM, ramrod711 said:

Saudi Arabia has also ordered roughly 15,000 Saudis studying in Canada to leave.

So it isn't all bad news then.

It is for the thousands of Canadians who will suffer when  10% of medical residents in some major cities  leave. And because the Saudis occupy the most skilled positions, in some cases, that's 50% of specialized medical residents at some teaching hospitals. The Saudis were paying their salaries too.  Emergency rooms at some hospitals are going to close  because the chief resident is Saudi and the trauma specialists who shoulder much of the work are Saudi.  This is a medical crisis in the making.  Canadians do not know how dependent they are on those Saudi doctors.

Why would residents leave? Because they can hardly wait to get back to SA so that they have the opportunity to be beheaded, crucified or suffer from gender discrimination?  Please.

[Spidey]

5 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

It is for the thousands of Canadians who will suffer when  10% of medical residents in some major cities  leave. And because the Saudis occupy the most skilled positions, in some cases, that's 50% of specialized medical residents at some teaching hospitals. The Saudis were paying their salaries too.  Emergency rooms at some hospitals are going to close  because the chief resident is Saudi and the trauma specialists who shoulder much of the work are Saudi.  This is a medical crisis in the making.  Canadians do not know how dependent they are on those Saudi doctors.

Utter nonsense. I doubt that there is 1 Saudi doctor working in a Canadian hospital, you'll struggle to find a Saudi doctor working in a Saudi hospital. If there is, good for Canada if he leaves, I wouldn't allow a Saudi doctor to clip my toenails.

[car720]

2 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

No one has run scared. They are using common sense. The Canadians are hypocrites. The picked the KSA because they assumed there would be no reaction.  The same government has been  quiet  in respect to much more serious human rights abuses in Pakistan, China  and India. It has done very little to  support the Canadian victims of the Iranian regime including those who have had brutal deaths while in detention, including a Canadian journalist and  Canadian professor/environmentalist.

The same could be said however for many other countries as well.

 

[mikebike]

20 hours ago, zydeco said:

Then maybe Canadians shouldn't have started a "Boycott USA" movement if they wanted help. 

https://nypost.com/2018/06/14/canadians-boycott-us-products-cancel-vacations-to-america/

Canada reacted to its products being tariffed under the dubious reasoning of "national security risk".

[bristolboy]

9 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Canada  walks on eggshells when it comes to countries with far worse  human rights issues. When is the last time the Trudeau government  spoke out on the abuses in Nigeria? (Hint- he hasn't.)

 

Why do you expect the USA to do this? What of the EU? How about South Korea , or Thailand or India? Isn't India supposed to have a special relationship with Canada?

 

It is for the thousands of Canadians who will suffer when  10% of medical residents in some major cities  leave. And because the Saudis occupy the most skilled positions, in some cases, that's 50% of specialized medical residents at some teaching hospitals. The Saudis were paying their salaries too.  Emergency rooms at some hospitals are going to close  because the chief resident is Saudi and the trauma specialists who shoulder much of the work are Saudi.  This is a medical crisis in the making.  Canadians do not know how dependent they are on those Saudi doctors.

 

Canada is finding out that the rest of the world doesn't care about its double standards and insincerity. It talks big on the KSA but still has not addressed its ongoing human rights crisis with its first nations.

 

The USA cannot mediate Canada's mickey mouse approach to diplomacy. The first step is for Canada to walk back its insulting statements. 

 

 

It's like hearing from Cloud Cuckooland when you place the onus for the Saudis' insane and self-defeating response on the Canadians.

[stevenl]

32 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Well, that's totally nuts.

Well, he is right in that it is a terrorist nation, and a total boycott would be great.

[rickudon]

Unfortunately too many of Canada's friends are quite willing to sell their principles for oil. Never mind, Saudi Arabia will implode in the next 20-30 years, Canada won't. 

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, rickudon said:

Unfortunately too many of Canada's friends are quite willing to sell their principles for oil. Never mind, Saudi Arabia will implode in the next 20-30 years, Canada won't. 

More like sell their principles for arms sales and whatever other goods and services the Saudis may require. Not even the clownish Crown Prince would be foolish enough to stop selling oil. His behavior is economically suicidal as it is. But it's a slower form of death he's pursuing.

[metisdead]

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[Morch]

8 hours ago, Spidey said:

Utter nonsense. I doubt that there is 1 Saudi doctor working in a Canadian hospital, you'll struggle to find a Saudi doctor working in a Saudi hospital. If there is, good for Canada if he leaves, I wouldn't allow a Saudi doctor to clip my toenails.

 

Try this:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/saudi-canada-doctors/saudi-trainee-doctors-set-to-head-home-from-canada-in-diplomatic-row-idUSL1N1UZ1DH

[brucec64]

Islamaphobic comment!!!

The problem with snowflakes throwing out islamaphobic and racsim accusations is that they generally have no idea of the real meanings of these issues, but throw them out there because this is their favourite way of being offended, amongst the hundreds of things that they seem to trigger their faux outrage.

 

Lesson 1: criticizing a country with an abysmal human rights record, that happens to be a muslim country, is not islamaphobic.

 

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[arithai12]

On 8/8/2018 at 6:04 AM, webfact said:

"Both sides need to diplomatically resolve this together. We can't do it for them; they need to resolve it together," U.S. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert told a briefing.

But it is all right to impose sanctions on Russia for the novichok dispute between UK and Russia.

[pegman]

12 hours ago, rickudon said:

Unfortunately too many of Canada's friends are quite willing to sell their principles for oil. Never mind, Saudi Arabia will implode in the next 20-30 years, Canada won't. 

So true. How these countries can keep silent in light of the Saudi regimes actions such as:

 

"Crimes in Saudi Arabia such as homosexuality and attending anti-government rallies have previously led to crucifixion sentences. Unlike the biblical crucifixions carried out by the Romans against Christians in antiquity, Saudi crucifixions usually involve displaying a beheaded corpse in public on a cross."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-crucified-man-in-mecca-while-calling-out-canada-human-rights-2018-8

[pegman]

3 hours ago, arithai12 said:

But it is all right to impose sanctions on Russia for the novichok dispute between UK and Russia.

Canada is learning who it's true friends are. Trump isn't one of them. 

[bristolboy]

39 minutes ago, pegman said:

Canada is learning who it's true friends are. Trump isn't one of them. 

Are you saying Canadians are slow learners? I believe they figured that one out quite some time ago.

[geriatrickid]

19 hours ago, Spidey said:

Utter nonsense. I doubt that there is 1 Saudi doctor working in a Canadian hospital, you'll struggle to find a Saudi doctor working in a Saudi hospital. If there is, good for Canada if he leaves, I wouldn't allow a Saudi doctor to clip my toenails.

The only nonsense written is yours. Because you are ignorant and clueless as to the reliance of the provincial health care systems on the Saudi medical training program(s) does not mean that thousands of Saudi  medical residents have not trained in Canada. There are  800+ in Canada providing vital medical services, and whose salaries are paid for by the Saudi government. In addition are the series 7 specialists who are in research and other graduate and post graduate programs. 

 

Aren't you embarrassed to admit to being so ignorant of the facts? Lazy too, as a simple Google search would have provided multiple references to the head count.

U of T’s faculty of medicine has 216 Saudi medical residents and fellows working in affiliated hospitals across the city. Fifty fellows and 36 residents work at University Health Network through U of T’s faculty of medicine.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/08/08/the-loss-of-hundreds-of-saudi-medical-residents-will-put-a-lot-of-strain-on-canadian-patients-experts-say.html

 

The statement that you would not allow a  Saudi doctor to clip your toenails speaks to your vulgar prejudice.  You have no understanding as to the qualifications of these medical residents, and are oblivious that they occupy some of the most complex and difficult specialties such as Trauma, Cardiology, Vascular and MicroSurgery.  Who are you with your limited education and social status to ridicule these people? If you need medical help, it certainly won't come from the crowd you hang around with.  I have collaborated with some of these Saudis and they are solid apolitical professionals. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by geriatrickid

[Morch]

10 hours ago, pegman said:

So true. How these countries can keep silent in light of the Saudi regimes actions such as:

 

"Crimes in Saudi Arabia such as homosexuality and attending anti-government rallies have previously led to crucifixion sentences. Unlike the biblical crucifixions carried out by the Romans against Christians in antiquity, Saudi crucifixions usually involve displaying a beheaded corpse in public on a cross."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-crucified-man-in-mecca-while-calling-out-canada-human-rights-2018-8

 

Up until this diplomatic crisis, did Canadian governments avoid dealing with Saudi Arabia? Openly and vocally criticized Saudi transgressions? Seems like they were doing pretty much what the rest do - hold their noses and rake the money in.

[mikebike]

33 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Up until this diplomatic crisis, did Canadian governments avoid dealing with Saudi Arabia? Openly and vocally criticized Saudi transgressions? Seems like they were doing pretty much what the rest do - hold their noses and rake the money in.

No. Canada has clearly pointed out many of SA's transgressions in a similar fashion. Only the response has changed...

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, mikebike said:

No. Canada has clearly pointed out many of SA's transgressions in a similar fashion. Only the response has changed...

 

If you say so.

 

I find it kinda amusing posters going on about Canada's supposed moral stand, considering arms deals and the rather frantic diplomatic damage control efforts.