UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[vogie]

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

You can't make this stuff up.

You do!

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

25 minutes ago, vogie said:

But I have never heard the same people call Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens), Steven Demetre Georgiou.

I'm sure you never will either. We all know why that is ????.

 

Apologist bell-ends.

Edited November 12, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, vogie said:

Remind us where Nicola Sturgeon was?

There were only 2 signatures on the Armistice for the Allies, and Scotland wasn't one of them.

 

BTW, thought you said you were going to ignore my posts.

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, Mosha said:

We were hoodwinked by Wilson and Heath in the mid 70s. If the full facts were explained then I wouldn't have voted to remain.

Even from the 'facts' available during the first referendum - it was obvious that it could only lead to an increase in prices for the consumer plus an additional layer of overpaid bureaucracy - that would be paid by the taxpayer.

 

But I agree that the other facts and intentions were hidden at the time - and nobody could predict the way it 'played out' in the UK in the relatively short-term!

 

i.e. Small, Brit. farmers selling off to bigger businesses -unlike the French, as far as I can make out.

 

CAP - a policy that ensured higher prices for consumers (and this was obvious from the start....) - unsuprisingly resulted in various 'lakes/mountains etc.

 

The eu, realising that there was over-production as a result of CAP policies - decided that it was better to pay farmers not to farm - instead of changing their policies!

 

etc. etc.

Edited November 12, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

So - we are heading for a never-ending transition then?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c6b537ba-e5d5-11e8-b4e6-5632a3a9d8ab

 

It’s worth noting that an ultimate insurance policy, or backstop to the backstop, that means Northern Ireland exclusively remaining in the EU’s customs union and single market for goods will probably continue to lurk within the agreed text.

 

In all likelihood, even if the future trading arrangements were to be deep enough to avoid a hard Irish border, just under two years will not be long enough to conclude negotiations. This will require one of the two options to be taken, but which?

 

The UK will eventually need to embrace the consequences of its decisions; if it wants a Canada-style trade agreement then Northern Ireland will require its own distinct relationship with the EU.

"So - we are heading for a never-ending transition then?"

 

It rather looks as if this may well be the case....☹️

[Mosha]

3 hours ago, Mosha said:

We were hoodwinked by Wilson and Heath in the mid 70s. If the full facts were explained then I wouldn't have voted to remain.

Right from the get go.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12018877/The-truth-how-a-secretive-elite-created-the-EU-to-build-a-world-government.html?fbclid=IwAR0EGXo6Fb5d05OSlpKwh3cbP8bSxwRaJyScJLzytWVDiaiNce7rBtILLt8

[Patriot1066]

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

They used to call them socialists, but now they’re socialists so now they call them fascists...

Clever yes?

 

Clever indeed!

 

2 hours ago, adammike said:

It's taken a while but finally we are getting there and calling out some of the brexiteers and Mr Lennon for what they are Fascist.

Tommy Robinson is no facist. Do you know why he started the EDL?

 

Our troops marched through Luton in a home coming parade.

 

They had things thrown at them, they were spit on and abused by fundamentalist Muslims.

 

The police stood by and watched. Later commenting on the free speech rights of those spitting.

 

Thats how the EDL started Tommy is no Fascist hese a patriot who saw injustice to our brave servicemen and started a peaceful movement.

 

So I’m on topic I hazard a guess he voted Brexit!

 

A true English hero !

 

[Patriot1066]

4 minutes ago, Mosha said:

Right from the get go.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12018877/The-truth-how-a-secretive-elite-created-the-EU-to-build-a-world-government.html?fbclid=IwAR0EGXo6Fb5d05OSlpKwh3cbP8bSxwRaJyScJLzytWVDiaiNce7rBtILLt8

And the elite political class are still feeding us the same lies about how wonderful the EU is!

[Patriot1066]

31 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"So - we are heading for a never-ending transition then?"

 

It rather looks as if this may well be the case....☹️

Absolutely ridiculous! 

 

An issue contrived between our political elites and their masters in the EU!

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

Sadly not political opponents only Brexiteers just look at some of the rqcistsame, ugly posts on this thread........ it's not a comparison, it's a warning... They are identical to the Nazi Party

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Do you employ a script writer, he's good.????????????

Hardly - as pretty much everyone (even remainers!) mostly ignore kwilco's posts!

 

His last post was just the latest (from a long list....) of ridiculous posts.

Edited November 12, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

Hardly - as pretty much everyone (even remainers!) mostly ignore kwilco's posts!

 

His last post was just the latest (from a long list....) of ridiculous posts.

Yes I know, don't think I havn't noticed. I am trying to gain his confidence so I can take him for treatment.

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes I know, don't think I havn't noticed. I am trying to gain his confidence so I can take him for treatment.

I hope you've got deep pockets! ????

[dick dasterdly]

22 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

And the elite political class are still feeding us the same lies about how wonderful the EU is!

Not really, they've moved on from that as they realise that it doesn't work anymore.

 

They're now into 'impossible to reach an any agreement on trade terms, so it's necessary to accept 'leave in name only' mode'....

[Patriot1066]

22 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Not really, they've moved on from that as they realise that it doesn't work anymore.

 

They're now into 'impossible to reach an any agreement on trade terms, so it's necessary to accept 'leave in name only' mode'....

Yes your right they have moved past lies and deceit to a more cynical  position by claiming we only have 1 option. And it involves us becoming a vassal state.

Edited November 12, 2018 by Patriot1066
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[dick dasterdly]

25 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

Yes your right they have moved past lies and deceit to a more cynical  position by claiming we only have 1 option. And it involves us becoming a vassal state.

More accurately (?) paying, and continuing to pay a lot of money to agree to the rules that the majority of referendum voters disliked!

Edited November 12, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[Patriot1066]

2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

More accurately (?) paying, and continuing to pay a lot of money to agree to the rules that the majority of referendum voters disliked!

Yes that's a salient and correct point like a big PONSEY scheme.

 

Also who ever told us that we were actually running up massive future debt for our children like the 39 billion they claim we owe! I don't remember remain discussing that fact that the EU is affectively putting aside its liabilities in a sleight of hand do you?

[mogandave]

Tommy Robinson is no facist. Do you know why he started the EDL?

 

Our troops marched through Luton in a home coming parade.

 

They had things thrown at them, they were spit on and abused by fundamentalist Muslims.

 

The police stood by and watched. Later commenting on the free speech rights of those spitting.

 

Thats how the EDL started Tommy is no Fascist hese a patriot who saw injustice to our brave servicemen and started a peaceful movement.

 

So I’m on topic I hazard a guess he voted Brexit!

 

A true English hero !

 

 

Ever notice how brave and resolute the left is when attacking Christians, and how tolerant and accommodating they are of Muslims?

 

Wonder why that is.

[Patriot1066]

Just now, mogandave said:

 

Ever notice how brave and resolute the left is when attacking Christian, and how tolerant and accommodating they are of Muslims?

Wonder why that is.

 

It seems really strange the protect the fascist muslim fundamentalists and protest against us with their violent but cowardly ineffective ANTIFA that the left adore and class as freedom fighters. I noticed the Guardian had a big thing how they had stopped a march in Liverpool as it was anti sharia law! So much for the virtue signalling of the left.

 

I wonder how they would fait under sharia law, with the lack of free speech?

 

Just so were on topic another reason for Brexit to control who comes in and who hasn't just been given a passport in another EU country possibly Portugal or Southern Ireland!

 

 

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, Mosha said:

We were hoodwinked by Wilson and Heath in the mid 70s. If the full facts were explained then I wouldn't have voted to remain.

Hoodwinked by Wilson and Heath? Who on earth admits to that other than the terminally stoned at the time?

[SheungWan]

18 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Ever notice how brave and resolute the left is when attacking Christians, and how tolerant and accommodating they are of Muslims?

Wonder why that is.

Because they are as stupid as the Hard Right doing their numbers.

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

Clever indeed!

Tommy Robinson is no facist. Do you know why he started the EDL?

Our troops marched through Luton in a home coming parade.

They had things thrown at them, they were spit on and abused by fundamentalist Muslims.

The police stood by and watched. Later commenting on the free speech rights of those spitting.

Thats how the EDL started Tommy is no Fascist hese a patriot who saw injustice to our brave servicemen and started a peaceful movement.

So I’m on topic I hazard a guess he voted Brexit!

A true English hero !

Always a hoot reading EDL supporters talking total nonsense. TR former member of the BNP. EDL linked with the English Defence League split off from the BNP. EDL also linked with the EDP. The UK neo-Nazi rat run. Some of our commentators here seemingly can't resist showing where their real sympathies swish around.

Edited November 12, 2018 by SheungWan

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Hoodwinked by Wilson and Heath? Who on earth admits to that other than the terminally stoned at the time?

Heath. Unless he was stoned too, of course.

[mogandave]

Always a hoot reading EDL supporters talking total nonsense. TR former member of the BNP. EDL linked with the English Defence League split off from the BNP. EDL also linked with the EDP. The UK neo-Nazi rat run. Some of our commentators here seemingly can't resist showing where their real sympathies swish around.

Who links them?

Oh, that’s right...

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Even from the 'facts' available during the first referendum - it was obvious that it could only lead to an increase in prices for the consumer plus an additional layer of overpaid bureaucracy - that would be paid by the taxpayer.

 

But I agree that the other facts and intentions were hidden at the time - and nobody could predict the way it 'played out' in the UK in the relatively short-term!

 

i.e. Small, Brit. farmers selling off to bigger businesses -unlike the French, as far as I can make out.

 

CAP - a policy that ensured higher prices for consumers (and this was obvious from the start....) - unsuprisingly resulted in various 'lakes/mountains etc.

 

The eu, realising that there was over-production as a result of CAP policies - decided that it was better to pay farmers not to farm - instead of changing their policies!

 

etc. etc.

 

22 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Hoodwinked by Wilson and Heath? Who on earth admits to that other than the terminally stoned at the time?

I was only 15 at the time, and had zero interest in politics - but the points mentioned in my above mentioned quote were extremely obvious to even a young, inexperienced kid with who was intelligent - and bored enough to read 'dad's newspaper' as he drove me to school....

 

Edit - And before you say my thoughts were biased by my father - I still have no ideas as to his views on the original referendum.  It was not something we ever talked about.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Always a hoot reading EDL supporters talking total nonsense. TR former member of the BNP. EDL linked with the English Defence League split off from the BNP. EDL also linked with the EDP. The UK neo-Nazi rat run. Some of our commentators here seemingly can't resist showing where their real sympathies swish around.

Another hysterical assumption that anyone mentioning Robinson, without demonizing him, has to be EDL or worse. More "links" in there than a length of twisted rusty chain. Are you a linki?   

[Patriot1066]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

I was only 15 at the time, and had zero interest in politics - but the points mentioned in my above mentioned quote were extremely obvious to even a young, inexperienced kid with who was intelligent - and bored enough to read 'dad's newspaper' as he drove me to school....

 

 

Bit like the Soviet empire with their 5 year plans! Resulted in massive waste.

 

In fact the EU reminds me of the Soviet era where you only had freedom of speech if your speech was what you were allowed to say.

 

And you voted in the right way!

[mogandave]

Bit like the Soviet empire with their 5 year plans! Resulted in massive waste.
 
In fact the EU reminds me of the Soviet era where you only had freedom of speech if your speech was what you were allowed to say.
 
And you voted in the right way!

Now it’s free speech, unless the left decides it’s hate speech, than it has to be shut down.

That’s likely why people that support Brexit need to to compared to nazis. Once you’re nazis they can shut down the discussion.

Make no mistake, they control the dialog.

[Patriot1066]

13 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Who links them?

Oh, that’s right...

 

 

23 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Always a hoot reading EDL supporters talking total nonsense. TR former member of the BNP. EDL linked with the English Defence League split off from the BNP. EDL also linked with the EDP. The UK neo-Nazi rat run. Some of our commentators here seemingly can't resist showing where their real sympathies swish around.

Interesting Robinson was never a member of the BNP you can check as their website was illegally hacked and the member list is still on the Internet He’s not on it.

 

The EDL has many ethnic minority members including A Jewish section, so hardly a chance of links to the BNP.

 

As to my loyalties your trolly comment I will reiterate the truth below:

 

The EDL were started to give a voice away from the left and politically correct police and establishment who allowed our brave returning troops to be spat on and abused.

 

The same left that condemned anyone patriotic who complained about abuse of young white children calling them racist. The same establishment that allowed 1000s of white girls to be trafficked, raped and abused over years despite knowing. Therefore turning a blind eye to abuse due to cultural sensitivity and good ‘ community relations’

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-45918845

 

So please don’t lecture me on liberal love and kindness then make lies up about Tommy, when he is a hero to much of the working class. The political class ignore the needs of the working class and line their own pockets.

 

Another reason to leave the EU. Your attitude on Tommy that say anyone apposing immigration or supporting our troops is far right just drives our ambition to get out of the EU and control our borders (just I am on topic!)

 

 

[dick dasterdly]

2 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

Bit like the Soviet empire with their 5 year plans! Resulted in massive waste.

 

In fact the EU reminds me of the Soviet era where you only had freedom of speech if your speech was what you were allowed to say.

 

And you voted in the right way!

 I was only 15 and so obviously didn't vote.

 

And quite rightly.  Those with no experience of life (other than at school/college/university) know nothing about 'real life'.

[Patriot1066]

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Now it’s free speech, unless the left decides it’s hate speech, than it has to be shut down.

That’s likely why people that support Brexit need to to compared to nazis. Once you’re nazis they can shut down the discussion.

Make no mistake, they control the dialog.

 

Only control the MSM, Facebook etc leaves free speach more open but still controlled by left leaning standards.

 

Technology helps to spread the truth on people’s real experiences not the likes of the BBC with their leftist pro EU agenda!