UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[vogie]

24 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

One thing I have learnt from life is that people with too much money invariably want more of it.

A bit like me and Black Forest Gateau then.

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

“The British politicians, who have argued for Brexit, now have a choice between reneging on their absurd political promise or an economic disaster of which the British people will be the first victim.”

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-calls-on-lying-uk-politicians-to-drop-brexit/

 

 It’s good that you, an old British citizen, should show the rantings of a French politician, while you sit in your French house. The two of you have obviously got you finger on the pulse of The British people, who actually live here. ????

[mogandave]

One thing I have learnt from life is that people with too much money invariably want more of it.

Who has too much? I imagine that’s anyone with more than you...

[nontabury]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Absolutely nothing to do with "preferred targets". You have to be registered with YouGov and you get paid to do it, not a lot, takes me about 2 years to get £50.

Before you say anything I am not commenting on the validity of said polls.

£50 that should stack up well with the 30 pieces of silver, or should that be euros?

[beautifulthailand99]

22 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

A good friend of mine works for the Daily Mail and it is true that with the new man in place they are taking a much softer approach to May and the Brexit issue.  As you can imagine there are some at the paper who are very upset by this change of direction and some (like my friend) who welcome it.

Tis good sport to read the apoplectic gammon comments on the articles now - Mark Steel as ever is fun in the Independent,

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-deal-plan-theresa-may-withdrawal-agreement-cabinet-resignations-dominic-raab-a8634916.html

 

But nothing would satisfy the Brexit people; we could sign a deal in which we were allowed to classify the EU as a fish, and whack each EU country with a mallet on the deck of a boat, and they’d still scream it was a betrayal. The Coalition of the Fuming and the Seething would issue a statement saying “We have studied the proposed agreement and I’m SICK OF IT, we’ve been BETRAYED by EVERYONE, by EUROPE and ALL THESE OTHER THINGS and it’s not ENGLAND anymore and the road’s being dug up AGAIN and my DAUGHTER’S married a bleeding ACUPUNCTURIST what sort of a job is THAT?”

[sandyf]

Sign of things to come?

 

The EU-Canada Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) provides for the free movement of goods, persons and capital to various degrees and its depth and breadth remain to be seen, as a high profile next generation WTO plus Agreement. CETA may well become a model for future mega regionals, for reasons of its new model and scope.

 

The EU has been highly explicit - even triumphalist - that all Canadian imports will have to satisfy EU rules and regulations on technical rules, product safety, food and safety, health and safety, GMOs and this puts the future of its regulatory cooperation chapter (in ch. 21) into sharp perspective.

http://www.europeanpapers.eu/en/europeanforum/ceta-and-global-governance-law-what-kind-of-model-agreement-is-it-really-in-law

[nontabury]

42 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The Mail now Dacre's gone packing is hugely pro May today - time to get behind her , realise the narcissists rebellion lies in tatters and this bar a few minor concessions is the best deal we can get. All good patriots should get behind her lest we get something far worse. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6399741/DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-Iron-Lady-wouldnt-got-better-deal.html

 

Mr Rees-Mogg and his cronies may welcome the prospect of a no-deal Brexit. But they are precisely the people who claimed that the EU would roll over in the negotiations. They were wrong then. Why should they be right this time?

In reality, a no-deal Brexit would be an economic and political calamity worse than the Winter of Discontent in the Seventies, worse than the three-day week and potentially even more damaging than the Great Depression.

A chaotic Brexit would also risk handing power to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, who would seize the chance to send Britain lurching to the far Left, with horrific and irreparable consequences for millions of ordinary families, as well as for our global reputation, international allies and the future of our economy.

You may have noticed over the last few months, that the Daily Express has gradually become less and less pro Brexit. Could this possible have anything to do with the new owners, Trinity Mirror. Who surprisingly support remain.

Amazing what money can buy, including an open and unbiased media.

 

[beautifulthailand99]

9 minutes ago, nontabury said:

You may have noticed over the last few months, that the Daily Express has gradually become less and less pro Brexit. Could this possible have anything to do with the new owners, Trinity Mirror. Who surprisingly support remain.

Amazing what money can buy, including an open and unbiased media.

 

Twas ever thus....back to normal ...as the hymn says all thing's bright and beautiful....

 

The rich man in his castle, The poor man at his gate, God made them, high or lowly, And ordered their estate

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, tebee said:

What do we do now then ?

 

I don't know about every house, but when a bad cake gets baked it ends up in the wheelie bin.????

[beautifulthailand99]

13 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

I don't know about every house, but when a bad cake gets baked it ends up in the wheelie bin.????

Looks like the 28% is the winner - it's got my vote. 

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Looks like the 28% is the winner - it's got my vote. 

Just 8% of Brits support the idea of having a second referendum, according to the latest poll by YouGov. Added to the people who want to stop Brexit by other means, only 36% of voters would like to see the result of the referendum reversed. By contrast adding together the different Brexit options sees 46% of voters in favour of EU withdrawal. Nothing has changed…

Lools like Leave is the winner

 

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Have you got a link on these 4 MPs as to how they are cashing in on the chaos, or are you speculating Alex?

 

Farage played GBP on the night of the referendum, conceding he had lost the good fight, when he knew through privately purchased polling that Leave had one. Why? He wanted GBP to be as high as possible to make the short more profitable. You can bet that Rees Mogg's investment business will be positioning for a no deal Brexit ... and he wants no deal to get away from proposed EU rules on tax havens ... another self serving politician. The other two clowns are benefiting from the support they get from 100,000 old reactionary Tory members ... they are positioning for political office ... Johnson being the main culprit, gaining a great deal of money writing for the brexit supporting Telegraph. None of them serve the nation's interest, only their own.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Farage played GBP on the night of the referendum, conceding he had lost the good fight, when he knew through privately purchased polling that Leave had one. Why? He wanted GBP to be as high as possible to make the short more profitable. You can bet that Rees Mogg's investment business will be positioning for a no deal Brexit ... and he wants no deal to get away from proposed EU rules on tax havens ... another self serving politician. The other two clowns are benefiting from the support they get from 100,000 old reactionary Tory members ... they are positioning for political office ... Johnson being the main culprit, gaining a great deal of money writing for the brexit supporting Telegraph. None of them serve the nation's interest, only their own.

And still no link to support your claims or should we called it Fake News

[talahtnut]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Ok sick of listening to those who want to let the people vote again.

Shut up you bad losers, the vote happened,  you lost, let's get on with it. 

If the so-called cradle of parliamentary democracy, home of the Magna Carta, decides to ignore the result of a referendum because certain key figures decide that the electorate voted for the wrong outcome, then where does that end?

Remainers, the delusionists who just refuse to accept what is happening. Their funk of denial is just as destructive because they’re doing nothing to find a way of getting out of the EU without disaster.

The protagonist in this debacle is the Cabinet Secretary, a very

staunch, powerful, and crafty remainer.  This system of government

needs a total overhaul.

[kwilco]

Brexit is certainly taking on a Christmassy feel ...

 

 

[bomber]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

I think the remainers and their friends are getting very desperate when they have to make things up.

i would bet 40% to 50% of the tory leave brigade will have some form of financial benefit from a hard/harder brexit.

[whatsupdoc]

32 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

If the so-called cradle of parliamentary democracy, home of the Magna Carta, decides to ignore the result of a referendum because certain key figures decide that the electorate voted for the wrong outcome, then where does that end?

Remainers, the delusionists who just refuse to accept what is happening. Their funk of denial is just as destructive because they’re doing nothing to find a way of getting out of the EU without disaster.

The protagonist in this debacle is the Cabinet Secretary, a very

staunch, powerful, and crafty remainer.  This system of government

needs a total overhaul.

Let me get this straight; The UK is leaving the EU but somehow the result of the referendum is ignored and remainers are to be blamed for doing nothing to find a way to get out of the EU????

Does this make any sense at all?

[Stupooey]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

A bit like me and Black Forest Gateau then.

Ah yes, Black Forest Gateau vs. Spotted Dick. Sums up the argument really.

[SheungWan]

7 hours ago, aright said:

Remainers......They seem to prefer to take pleasure that we (the Leavers) haven't got what we wanted even though they haven't got what they wanted either. 

Yo!

[kwilco]

42 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

If the so-called cradle of parliamentary democracy, home of the Magna Carta, 

Actually your mixing your metaphors a bit there....however both were part of Europe at the time.

[bomber]

48 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And still no link to support your claims or should we called it Fake News

its an educated guess which will have a good chance of being true just a case of how much personal gain was to come their way once they got their way.

[kwilco]

7 hours ago, aright said:

I can feel the glee in the lines of many Remainers when they comment on the predicament the country finds itself in, regarding it as a battle won. They gloat over Mrs May's dilemma and yet logically they should feel as betrayed as the Leavers. They seem to prefer to take pleasure that we (the Leavers) haven't got what we wanted even though they haven't got what they wanted either. 

By definition Brexiteers can't get want they wanted any more than a flat-earther could.

 

The glee is in the satisfaction of a point made.

It's that warm "told you so" feeling.

 

 

Edited November 17, 2018 by kwilco

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, bomber said:

i would bet 40% to 50% of the tory leave brigade will have some form of financial benefit from a hard/harder brexit.

It's impossible to comment fairly on conjecture.

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, bomber said:

its an educated guess which will have a good chance of being true just a case of how much personal gain was to come their way once they got their way.

Or you could say its an educated guess which will have a good chance of not being true 

or as i called it out Fake News 

 

[kwilco]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

It's impossible to comment fairly on conjecture.

Isn't that what Brexiteers have been doing all along?

[Thakkar]

 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Isn't that what Brexiteers have been doing all along?

You are to humour what Pol Pot was to human rights. ????????????

[adammike]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

And still no link to support your claims or should we called it Fake News

No! the money trail may not lead directly to him but you can bet your bottom shorted pound that his mates profited from it.

[Stupooey]

21 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Or you could say its an educated guess which will have a good chance of not being true 

or as i called it out Fake News 

 

 

We've been lectured to by Leavers, over the previous 574 pages, that politicians are only in it for themselves. When it is suggested that four leading Brexit supporting politicians might be in it for themselves, it is suddenly 'fake news'. Make your mind up.

[dunroaming]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Looks like the 28% is the winner - it's got my vote. 

Maybe we should just look at what we are going to achieve with Brexit and the options now open to us.

 

May's negotiated deal, no deal and all the disruption that brings, or scrapping Brexit altogether if that is the best result in the end.  All the posturing and political point scoring and personal gain should be put aside.  Brexit shouldn't be a political football but that is how it has ended up.  It is all about politicians and their ambitions with the people on the side lines cheering or booing but powerless to decide their own future.