Street corner cameras in CM

[chingmai331]

Had not seen this before but on my corner, near Nakornping Condo and Chiang Mai Lodge, noticed on a 10 m pole  obvious cameras facing both up and down the street.  No traffic signals here so what is the govt looking for?  

Have you seen any in your area?  Does anyone know the ultimate function of these cameras?

 

I'm familiar with such cameras in china where  social control is central to the govt policy and now of course those cameras can be used by AI for instant identification of individuals. 

 

I can fully agree with cameras at traffic signal corners  nabbing the bad drivers but am dismayed to find them near my house on a normal and quiet soi. 

[eyecatcher]

It was on the radio news recently that CM was the guinea pig for all Thailand.

They have installed somewhere in the region of 200 cameras all going back to a central comm centre.

I think its about monitoring traffic accidents and being able to respond to accidents etc.

If the trial is succesful, it rolls out elsewhere.

 

Makes you wonder what resposible persons are in charge of watching 200monitors

[samsensam]

 

i wouldn't worry too much. a friend recently had her bag stolen in bangkok. she noticed there were cameras covering the area so went to the police and requested they look at the cctv. the cameras are not connected/live was the reply. speaking to other friends apparently this is quite common. and even if they are all live when installed thailand doesn't have the best record for a) installing good quality infrastructure and b) servicing/repairing/maintaining infrastructure.

[Dante99]

So Big Brother is watching you, what's is your problem about having cameras on your small soi?

 

They are watching you when you go into the bank, when you go into the airport, when you go into a 711, many shops, all of England, 65% of the USA, ....

[cmsally]

They have them on our soi too. The initial outlay obviously comes with a big budget as many people involved in the installing , adjusting, overseeing. They might catch a dog illegally pooping if they are lucky, as nothing ever happens on our soi.

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

Good.

 

Don't commit a crime or engage in anti-social behaviours.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[wwest5829]

4 hours ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Good.

 

Don't commit a crime or engage in anti-social behaviours.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm, tell it to Winston Smith......

[Formaleins]

They are being used in a big way on the highways here too. They are issuing speeding fines in the post to the vehicles registered owner. My son in law has had 3 from the outer ring road recently

[LivinLOS]

7 hours ago, cmsally said:

They have them on our soi too. The initial outlay obviously comes with a big budget as many people involved in the installing , adjusting, overseeing. 

This is why its popular.. 

 

The initial install contract is juicy.. Theres never any budget for maintenance and often little to no thought as to budget for and provision to monitor it real time. Theres obviously no centralized system of controls and its all ad hoc design.

 

On Phuket the contract to install terrible quality low def cant see at night cameras was multi millions of baht.. I have a feeling it worked out to about 600k per camera.. After they were installed a year later only 30% still worked.. Usual money hand out to connected contractors and little to no use. 

[Lacessit]

My GF copped a 400 baht fine for riding without a helmet. Caught dead to rights on camera.

[NCC1701A]

sometimes the police can track a person who committed a crime all the way back to their destination with the cameras.

 

beats having to go outside in the heat and or run and jump over a fence in a too tight Thai police uniform.

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

Hmmm, tell it to Winston Smith......

Who is Winston Smith?

[Antonymous]

The trend towards total surveillance is unstoppable the world over. Very sad for those of us old enough to have enjoyed the relative freedom of another era in our salad days, but totally normal to millennials, who can't understand why we still hang on to our quaint notions of privacy.

[ChakaKhan]

6 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

sometimes the police can track a person who committed a crime all the way back to their destination with the cameras.

 

beats having to go outside in the heat and or run and jump over a fence in a too tight Thai police uniform.

They indeed are snug!  Id be pulling at my crotch all day--chafing in this heat--pinching my peach basket!

[naboo]

Don't worry, the contract to install would have included so many backhanders, there would've no money left for quality. Broken, if not, easily broken with no maintenance budget. Thailand doesn't have the motivation to become China.

[Aussieroaming]

On 9/11/2018 at 11:51 PM, eyecatcher said:

It was on the radio news recently that CM was the guinea pig for all Thailand.

They have installed somewhere in the region of 200 cameras all going back to a central comm centre.

I think its about monitoring traffic accidents and being able to respond to accidents etc.

If the trial is succesful, it rolls out elsewhere.

 

Makes you wonder what resposible persons are in charge of watching 200monitors

Damn, they will get tired when they have to say camera not working 200 times.

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

The trend towards total surveillance is unstoppable the world over. Very sad for those of us old enough to have enjoyed the relative freedom of another era in our salad days, but totally normal to millennials, who can't understand why we still hang on to our quaint notions of privacy.

“Relative freedom of another era” means what? Freedom to commit crimes? Freedom to endure broken windows and bottles, men pissing on your car, or stealing it? The open air drug-marts? Muggings?

I assume you do no such thing so having a camera everywhere gives you “more freedom” knowing miscreants cannot victimize and cause property damage without scrutiny. And, as long as one do no wrong the cctv footage proves one innocent.

[canthai55]

19 hours ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

 engage in anti-social behaviours.

555

So ... No political, social, societal changes because it is anti-social !!!

Lets all go back to the Dark Ages, where people where owned by others, no human rights, no justice except one mans opinion - no matter if he was complete sociopath or insane ?

Sounds like progress to me !

[terminatorchiangmai]

The do work and are monitored. Last month a tuk tuk got caught by police after driving of after an small accident. 

They followed him in to our village after getting the location trough the cameras.

 

[sandyf]

On 9/11/2018 at 11:51 PM, eyecatcher said:

It was on the radio news recently that CM was the guinea pig for all Thailand.

They have installed somewhere in the region of 200 cameras all going back to a central comm centre.

I think its about monitoring traffic accidents and being able to respond to accidents etc.

If the trial is succesful, it rolls out elsewhere.

 

Makes you wonder what resposible persons are in charge of watching 200monitors

Been on the end of our road for a couple of years, pointing in each direction. We live out in the country near Chonburi.

[Rimbuman]

On 9/13/2018 at 8:32 AM, terminatorchiangmai said:

The do work and are monitored. Last month a tuk tuk got caught by police after driving of after an small accident. 

They followed him in to our village after getting the location trough the cameras.

 

Sure they do work but as mentioned before, 'for how long will they work?'

[elgenon]

Farangs walking naked in the streets. Is becoming a big problem apparently.

[BritManToo]

On 9/12/2018 at 6:23 PM, Antonymous said:

The trend towards total surveillance is unstoppable the world over. Very sad for those of us old enough to have enjoyed the relative freedom of another era in our salad days,

I'm not a criminal, and so am totally happy with 100% CCTV coverage.

The moment personal video recorders are available (to record yourself 24/7) I'm getting one.

No false accusations of rape or sexual assault for me.

 

Why are you frightened of being recorded?

[Antonymous]

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I'm not a criminal, and so am totally happy with 100% CCTV coverage.

The moment personal video recorders are available (to record yourself 24/7) I'm getting one.

No false accusations of rape or sexual assault for me.

 

Why are you frightened of being recorded?

I guess you are from the UK. A state with more CCTV cameras per person than any other country. A place where the state is allowed to collate and read your email (and those from anyone who writes to you) and social media stuff. Has that stopped crime in the UK? Of course it hasn’t.

 

A wise man once told me: "Never trust a bureaucrat. Never trust the system to do what is right". And I have heeded that advice. It is a particularly pertinent warning to anyone living in a dictatorship or police state or one that is riddled with corruption. I’m sure you know a few of those.

 

Privacy is the single most effective means of preserving freedom against an encroaching state. You seem to think that a desire for privacy means that you must have something to hide, that you are a criminal. Whatever came of the notion that we are innocent until proven guilty? Why must I prove my innocence by opening up everything in my life to the state (or to its informants like Google and Facebook)? CCTV surveillance is not the only invasion of my right to privacy of course, but I’d need to write an essay to describe how surveillance fits right into the creeping total control of an individual’s identity that is taking place now the world over and how it leads to censorship and state control.

 

I was brought up in an era where privacy was considered a fundamental right in any free society. I believe that my identity – and that includes any of my personal information that I want to keep to myself – belongs to me and not to the state. You appear to hold the opposite view and if you enjoy reading '1984' and feel that you’d fit right in there, then you will not understand where I’m coming from.

[Antonymous]

On 9/13/2018 at 3:54 AM, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

 

“Relative freedom of another era” means what? Freedom to commit crimes? Freedom to endure broken windows and bottles, men pissing on your car, or stealing it? The open air drug-marts? Muggings?

I assume you do no such thing so having a camera everywhere gives you “more freedom” knowing miscreants cannot victimize and cause property damage without scrutiny. And, as long as one do no wrong the cctv footage proves one innocent.

Freedom is Slavery. Yes of course. Follow the Party to get the life that you need and deserve. The Party will protect you.

[The manic]

On 9/12/2018 at 4:26 AM, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Good.

 

Don't commit a crime or engage in anti-social behaviours.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or read 1984!

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

Just talking about Security cameras. Not "1984". (A bit of science fiction written by a Socialist). It is 2018 already.

 

The pappazarri aren't interested in distributing photographs of random westerners walking down a street, so not to worry about your portrait copyrights.  The boys at the Chiang Mai police central monitoring office will get a good laugh , as I do, the bald and clueless farangs hand in hand with ladyboys and aged isaarn slappers, that no Thai man would have for free. 

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2018 by ChiangMaiLightning2143

[canthai55]

10 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 Privacy is the single most effective means of preserving freedom against an encroaching state.

100% Correct

Tell 'Em Nuttin'

[canthai55]

4 hours ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

(A bit of science fiction written by a Socialist)

And look at what they call Democracy - which has not and will never be in practice on Earth.

It gave us leaders like Donald Trump, Tony Blair, ...

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men..."

John Emerich Edward Dalberg-Acton

[BritManToo]

12 hours ago, Antonymous said:

CCTV surveillance is not the only invasion of my right to privacy

I don't do anything that interesting, if anyone wants to watch me, I'm OK with them.