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Land Of Lady Boys? Thailand Is Not The LGBTI Paradise It Appears


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1 hour ago, giddyup said:

It seems ladyboys are very well represented on Thai television as hosts of a varied mix of shows.

Yes, in fact, their numbers that are disproportionately high which is an indicator of how popular they are in Thailand. The west is not even close but they will still try to push the narrative that the gay "community suffers from a lack of recognition" and insist that "Thai society actively discriminates against them". blah blah blah. Fake news at it's finest.

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Another example of someone making poor personal choices, being penalised for it (no pun intended ? )  and then claiming to fall foul of a 'discriminatory system', get over yourself. The world isn't set up to cater to you and give you everything you want, at all times. Life isn't fair, you have to make your own way in it and why would or should anyone else care about your issues as much as you do? This is supposedly a University lecturer who has posted lewd photographs to her personal social media a/c. What has it got to do with her being an LB? Nothing at all, of course! If it was a man posting pictures of a consumer item shaped like female genitalia, I don't see that the result would be any different, why should it be?

 

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Now it seems so many in society are victims so much of the time. It's truly pathetic to behold and a sign that, for too many perhaps, life has become too easy and too empty, whilst societies have become complacent and, in many cases in the West, riddled with guilt and self-hatred. It's plain to see all over the world, time and again.

 

Those who represent the largest section of society get castigated (all too often for no reason), and those in minority groups (whose issues usually affect a tiny percentage of the populous) get special treatment, even at the expense of the majority. This IS NOT how society was designed to function, nor can it continue to do so. There's nothing wrong with upholding minority rights, but what we have, particularly in the West now is something else entirely.

 

Thailand, is for better or worse, basically a very conservative nation. I hope for their sake they don't follow the west down the same path of insanity. LGBT people seem to get a very fair run of things here, as is well known around the world. I have worked with a few, and of course witness them on a daily basis here and have no problem if they're decent and respectful with me. I have never seen them be treated badly or unfairly and I don't think it is the case that they are, in general. Homosexuals and Transvestites flock to Thailand for this very reason, that it is famously tolerant and has a laissez-faire attitude towards the expression of this end of the sexuality spectrum. I just hope that their society doesn't go down the same road as ours has in allowing the rights of the minority of the sexual spectrum to somehow all-too-often trump those of the majority.  

 

   

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3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

To you. Not to me or a dictionary.

Your use of it and your use of the words “If you are happy getting your back door smashed in by another guy” was negatively judgemental. 

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9 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Even John Wayne's not 100% straight is he, whatever that means. He certainly doesn't Walk That Way.

Just because his name is Marion doesn't mean that he's gay. He walks that way because he spent his life on a horse. Top cowboy.

 

Should be past tense, he's been dead for many years.

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42 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Being gay, or a transgender man or woman, is not a perversion. 

All recorded history, if looked at closely, will show that gays of either typical gender, and those with gender disforia ie those whose minds don’t match their physical sexual attributes, are a naturally occurring percentage of human genetic / physiological diversity.

 

The one main point is they typically have not reproduced more members for their tribe or clan, so the clan has fewer warriors to defend from other groups. So leadership tried to steer the young from this direction often with fear or abusiveness, themselves fearing lack of clan power in battle.

 

Strength in numbers, we need more members, most theologies are based in part in this.

 

To allow them social and legal parity as naturally occurring humans is not pushing some sexual agenda, but simply acknowledging their existence and validity as humans. That they may total about 6-10% of most populations doesn’t invalidate their existence or rights to live their lives as they see fit to.

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Just now, Bluespunk said:

Your use of it and your use of the words “If you are happy getting your back door smashed in by another guy” was negatively judgemental. 

Which I followed by  "TiT, up to you." Positively judgmental.

 

Not nice to edit someone's post to suit your agenda.

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It was never a paradise, particularly for the poor and those outside large urban areas. Of particular concern is their access to health care. The people who suffer most are adolescents from poor rural areas. Whether they are  one of the items du jour or are just going through a phase, they have limited resources to help them.

Sex education is  not particularly well handled and  there is little done to address the sexual abuse which occurs.

It is so very difficult for a a young gay person with a health issue to obtain medical care  in a respectful and discrete manner. One of the characteristics of Thai health care that I find infuriating is the lack of respect for patient confidentiality. (This is an across the board issue in Thailand that impacts us all.) Whether it be the  surreptitious taking of photos of patients, the sharing of dossier information or the idle gossip, young kids are terrified  and scared when they seek health. The  public shaming and bullying that occurs to some of them when people find out that they are gay is such that they will suffer with a treatable STI or psychological ailment  when they need not to. 

I have little empathy for people, but I just find it gut wrenching the way some people are maltreated by the  healthcare system, especially those who are not sophisticated, or who do not have someone there to advocate on their behalf.  Again this is a problem common to everyone who enters the healthcare system. The problem is that the elderly and the young are the most vulnerable, and the rural and young gay demographic is very vulnerable.

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1 hour ago, zydeco said:

LGBTI? Have heard of LGBTQ, but the "I" on the end of it is new to me. "Intersex?" What does that mean?

I’d say that most TV members are intersex. People say it’s the reason we all came to Thailand don’t they?

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31 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Being gay, or a transgender man or woman, is not a perversion. 

It wasn't a perversion in Sodom and Gomorrah...

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Nor was it for the Romans of the decadence...1408179946_SodomandGomorrah.png.a626efbc4434719814681c16cc7b42a6.png

Our Brave New World has come full-circle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The general tone of this thread is just beyond creepy bar talk. Transgender people are just a small minority, the other lgtbq whatever folks are having a hard time as well. All the lucky marriage visa holders should think about how it would be if the law wasn’t on their side. Looking down on gay, lesbian, etc. couples who have no rights when their partners die, or fall sick, or wish to adopt, etc. is just nauseating. The general ranting about lady boys ( most people seem to always forget to add prostitute) is just so misguided and false and just shows where they get their information from.

most lgtbq folks, including me, wish to have a nice and quiet life and we also wish to be treated fairly, still many people seem to have an issue with this. 

As being one of the most famous lgtbq destinations in south east Asia, Thailand is lacking of the most basic laws to protect us and our futures and that needs to change. 

Homophobia is uneducated and unreflected  hate and has no place in any civilized society,

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Heterosexual sex. Sex between 2 adults of the opposite sex.

 

What does "nappies and dummies say about me?

> There are many sexual activities that do not depend on the gender of the participants. Actually I'd say the majority of sexual activities are not gender dependent.

 

> It's up to you to tell us what "nappies and dummies" say about you, after all you're the one that introduced them. They certainly have nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

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2 hours ago, giddyup said:

It seems ladyboys are very well represented on Thai television as hosts of a varied mix of shows.

pizza hut seems to hire a lot of them.  Not much of an advancement but unfortunately for many Thais decent jobs or professions or careers or businesses without massive bribes and kickbacks are hard to come by

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2 hours ago, Spidey said:

Oh the old nutmeg, "If you say that you don't like ladyboys, you must secretly love them".

 

I don't mind ladyboys, I have a ladyboy family member and a good friends daughter is a ladyboy, sometimes stays the night at our house, but in no way am I physically attracted to them. The idea of climbing into bed and being confronted by another guy's meat and two veg, repulses me. Does that make me a secret ladyboy lover? No way.

 

If you are happy getting your back door smashed in by another guy, good luck to you, TiT, up to you, but don't foist your perversion on others, to make yourself feel better about your perversion.

There is a difference between not being interested in ladyboys or posting on a forum how openly repulsed you are by them. The later can be an indication to suppress feelings for ladyboys. I have no problem with ladyboys at all, they just don't do it for me.

 

As for calling an other persons sexual desires perversion is just narrow minded.  As long as its not against the law people should be free to enjoy whatever sexual thing excites them.

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Just now, My Thai Life said:

> There are many sexual activities that do not depend on the gender of the participants. Actually I'd say the majority of sexual activities are not gender dependent.

 

> It's up to you to tell us what "nappies and dummies" say about you, after all you're the one that introduced them. They certainly have nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Heterosexual sex is dependant on the gender of the participants. Requires a male and a female.

 

Sorry but "nappies and dummies" says nothing about me. I introduced that and S&M to illustrate what are commonly considered as perversions.

 

Neither of the above are my particular perversion. You'll have to keep guessing!

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Just now, trianglechoke said:

Science suggests gender is binary 

Even biological gender is not 100% binary.

 

Gender in society is a social construct - the reason you don't wear dresses is because the society you grew up in conditioned you to wear trousers (I'm assuming you are a farang male like most posters here). Wearing trousers is obviously not biologically determined.

 

Psychological gender is another construct that's worth researching for anyone who is interested in contributing to a discussion of this topic.

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1 minute ago, geriatrickid said:

Perhaps you can explain what a "massive hormone imbalance" is. 

 

Ladyboys take hormones. Not being able to afford proper consultation with a specialist endocrinologist leads them to take advice from their friends as to what hormones to take, leading them to imbibe masses of inappropriate hormones.

 

The most common ones are steroids which, in large doses, can lead to aggressive behaviour. "Roid rage".

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1 minute ago, Spidey said:

Heterosexual sex is dependant on the gender of the participants. Requires a male and a female.

 

Sorry but "nappies and dummies" says nothing about me. I introduced that and S&M to illustrate what are commonly considered as perversions.

> I'll repeat what I said before: there are many sexual activities that heterosexual partners indulge in that same-sex partners also indulge in. There is very little "heterosexual sex" that cannot be indulged in by same-sex partners. And vice versa.

 

> Gay sex is not considered to be a perversion, except in the minds of a few bigots. You raised "nappies and dummies", no one else. 

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1 minute ago, My Thai Life said:

Lol. Some do, some don't. Most that do don't take them for extended periods of time.

Not sure that's true. Know of a ladyboy partner of a friend who said if she/he stops taking hormones the beard comes back and other male characteristics start to appear.

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22 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Which I followed by  "TiT, up to you." Positively judgmental.

 

Not nice to edit someone's post to suit your agenda.

I didn’t edit your post.

 

I quoted the judgemental aspect to highlight the negative intent, you intended, with your use of the word “perversion”. 

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Just now, My Thai Life said:

> I'll repeat what I said before: there are many sexual activities that heterosexual partners indulge in that same-sex partners also indulge in. There is very little "heterosexual sex" that cannot be indulged in by same-sex partners. And vice versa.

 

> Gay sex is not considered to be a perversion, except in the minds of a few bigots. You raised "nappies and dummies", no one else. 

Yes you have just repeated yourself, so I'll repeat myself.

 

Heterosexual sex, by definition, is sex between a man and a woman. Of course there are a number of sexual acts that can be indulged in by same sex partners. Heterosexual sex isn't one of them.

There are also acts that heterosexual partners can't indulge in, 88 being one.

 

Totally agree that gay sex isn't a perversion. Yep, I raised "nappies and dummies" as an example of what might be considered a perversion. You seem to have become fixated on it. Is it giving you naughty thoughts? 555

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23 minutes ago, TooPoopedToPop said:

It wasn't a perversion in Sodom and Gomorrah...

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Nor was it for the Romans of the decadence...1408179946_SodomandGomorrah.png.a626efbc4434719814681c16cc7b42a6.png

Our Brave New World has come full-circle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have often made clear my atheism. So the myth of sodom and Gomorrah is irrelevant. 

 

The behaviour of the Romans behind closed doors between consenting adults was their business alone. 

 

What has Huxley to do with this?

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5 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Lol. Some do, some don't. Most that do don't take them for extended periods of time.

True. But some do take far too many inappropriate hormones and for long periods. It's only a small minority but it's they that give ladyboys a bad name, i.e. very aggressive/roid rage.

 

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29 minutes ago, trianglechoke said:

Science suggests gender is binary 

Typically binary.

But through out recorded history, and using analysis of existing numbers, shows that this is not 100% uniform, and never has been.

 

Black swans exist.

Just because you have never seen anything but white swans doesn’t mean “Swans are white”.

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