What price a life? Man faces just one month jail after his vicious dogs kill four year old riding her bike

[thequietman]

7 minutes ago, Jeremy50 said:

Sad you got all those likes. Most people would be prepared to die to save their child. To stand firm and take revenge like Rambo, would certainly seem apt to me and to most others in such a situation. Dispatch some punishment and retribution, if you don't, live with the shame that you didn't.........for the rest of your life.

I understand your point completely and I concur with it. However, in taking he necessary retribution on this person, I wouldn't openly state it as the poster had. We would all be angry and looking for revenge but it is a meal best served cold. In regards to the incident one must establish if the animals were allowed to roam freely by the owner or if the gate or pen was opened by someone else. 

If there was gross negligence on the part of the owner and he was warned before about this, then yes, if the courts didn't dish out the appropriate punishment, I too would met out my own. 

[gerritkaew]

for sure, let him or his dogs never come near me..

[CharlieH]

Bickering removed.

[dave moir]

9 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Some laws in Thailand are incredibly ......  you cannot say what you

really mean as could get done under the computer crimes act,AND

it would be more than a month in jail,

regards worgeordie

Careful what you say Geordie boy! You could do life! ?

[HHTel]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

When Ban Khawao, Chaiyaphum, police arrived in the soi behind some houses they found a lot of blood on the walkway and in the grass.

Which describes the picture showing the little girls bike.  Hardly a motor thoroughfare.  You must have seen 'sois' marked but with no road to speak of.  There are sois here in Hua Hin that are marked but you would never get a car down them.  Some sois are not roads as you describe them although they are marked on a map.  The land I purchased and built a house on was designated a 'soi' but until developed some years later didn't really exist.

 

[sawadee1947]

Life's very cheap here. You can have killed somebody for a few Baht only. So what did you expect? Life time sentence?? ???

[sawadee1947]

11 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Some laws in Thailand are incredibly ......  you cannot say what you

really mean as could get done under the computer crimes act,AND

it would be more than a month in jail,

regards worgeordie

Normally you are crying for shopping heads. Why not this time? 

[CharlieH]

Off topic remark renoved.

[brucegoniners]

I'm a huge dog lover, but many Thais don't take proper care of their dogs. Our dogs stay inside at all times, except on walks, in which case they are on their leashes. 

 

Leaving dogs to roam is dangerous for people and the dogs.

[MyFriend You]

12 hours ago, Just Weird said:

A breed that was not involved in this attack.  You don't think that the entire poodle and Thai breeds that were involved should be sent into extinction also?

Don't laugh, a Standard Poodle can weigh as much as 75lbs, normally very social animal, but can be fierce with a strong bite and sharp teeth - was bred in Europe as a 'water dog' to retrieve birds shot out of the sky, how do I know - as a GI in Germany, the kennel I boarded my Shepard sometimes when I deployed, specialized in Standard Poodles, some of these animals were fierce, not scared of anything or anyone.  I never tried to pet any of them, they would look at you with these beady eyes, like they were thinking what part of my body they would tear a chunk out of first.  Oh, kennel owners would tell me they were the smartest dog breed on the planet - just saying.

[Spidey]

10 hours ago, Derek B said:

Without taking matters into your own hands what would be the best approach to dealing with an aggressive soi dog that is not going to get you knicked by the boys in brown or piss off the Village Chief/neighbours?

Serve it up at the village barbecue with sides of corn dogs.

[flyingtlger]

16 hours ago, webfact said:

If negligence could be proven....

What a joke....

[The Deerhunter]

9 hours ago, oldlakey said:

You are one sad person

I will accept that conclusion from an apparent expert. See my reply  #111

[The Deerhunter]

9 hours ago, KiChakayan said:

"dog manners" you are just out of your mind...

Your Nip and bite distinction is just laughable.

Glad I improved your day. I hope you learned something about how to behave around dogs.  It is particularly important in Thailand with so many dogs.   If you know how to behave aroind dogs you will be much safer. That was my aim.  To help people understand the normal psychology of responsibly owned dogs. Street packs of wild dogs are a different situation.

[oldlakey]

2 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

Glad I improved your day. I hope you learned something about how to behave around dogs.  It is particularly important in Thailand with so many dogs.   If you know how to behave aroind dogs you will be much safer. That was my aim.  To help people understand the normal psychology of responsibly owned dogs. Street packs of wild dogs are a different situation.

You need to learn how to behave around people, and take responsibility for your dogs

That means keeping them under control at ALL TIMES, not allowing them to roam otherwise this kind of horrendously sad event will take place

[The Deerhunter]

2 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

You need to learn how to behave around people, and take responsibility for your dogs

That means keeping them under control at ALL TIMES, not allowing them to roam otherwise this kind of horrendously sad event will take place

You clearly do not wish to understand dogs.  It is very important to do so if you want to be safe in Thailand.  Do give it some thought.  You would be perectly safe visiting my place.  I do not speak for wild pack dogs or attack dogs bought and trained to be savage by idiot owners.

[Spidey]

Just now, The Deerhunter said:

You clearly do not wish to understand dogs.  It is very important to do so if you want to be safe in Thailand.  Do give it some thought.  You would be perectly safe visiting my place.  I do not speak for wild pack dogs or attack dogs bought and trained to be savage by idiot owners.

As your comments only apply to dogs in private ownership, kept on private land, I feel that I don't need to understand dogs as it's the owners responsibility to keep his dogs under control and ensure the safety of visitors.

 

There have been many cases in the UK where a postman, entering private property, has been attacked by dogs. The Post Office prosecutes the owners.

[lvr181]

3 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

and trained to be savage by idiot owners.

"idiot owners" ???

 

 

Thanks TunnelRat69 for the  reminder. 

[The Deerhunter]

34 minutes ago, Spidey said:

As your comments only apply to dogs in private ownership, kept on private land, I feel that I don't need to understand dogs as it's the owners responsibility to keep his dogs under control and ensure the safety of visitors.

 

There have been many cases in the UK where a postman, entering private property, has been attacked by dogs. The Post Office prosecutes the owners.

It goes without saying that our postman still has all his parts intact.  Dogs that are constantly chained or caged become neurotic and savage. They have no idea how to behave.  One day they get out and bad things happen.  Such dogs are not socialised and act like a time bomb.

[rwill]

The girl was just paying for something bad she had done in a previous life.

 

(And no I don't mean it.  But it is the attitude of a lot of Buddhists.)

[superal]

10 hours ago, Mutt Daeng said:

I've got 2 doberman type dogs. I never had dogs in the UK because I couldnt spend time with them due to work commitments.Over here, I live opposite a school. The dogs(bitches actually) are extremely friendly to children. If either were out of control & attacked a child it would be gone. I look after my dogs. I exercise them every morning. Living here in NE Thailand it is a must that you have at least one dog. They can detect snakes, scorpions & nasty centipedes long before I can.

My dogs are never restrained, locked up or chained up. I don't believe in it. They are free to roam wherever & whenever they want. Maybe I'm going to get some shit about my attitude...but <deleted>

You obviously care for your dogs , however , how can you consider yourself to be a responsible owner when you let your dogs roam . Doberman breeds are very powerful and I for one would not like to defend myself against one . For a child there would be only one outcome . Even a trained dog can turn in a flash for reasons known only to the dog .

 

This topic , sadly to say is often debated on this forum and will be again for sure .  Seems like apathy rules or is there another reason for the lack of dog control that would be sensible and responsible to introduce ?

[harrycallahan]

It's consistent with the west so don't make this a Thai thing. 

[Spidey]

Just now, harrycallahan said:

It's consistent with the west so don't make this a Thai thing. 

Correct. There's been more than one instance of this in the UK and the owners weren't sent to prison.

[The Teacher]

If this happened to my little girl, the dog would be so dead and the owner I will out of my way to make his or her life a living hell.

[superal]

25 minutes ago, harrycallahan said:

It's consistent with the west so don't make this a Thai thing.

Sorry Harry but have to disagree if you include the UK who have a dangerous dog list that bans ownership and is being revised to take in other breeds . The UK also employ dog wardens for strays that are rounded up . If unclaimed , or not sold to responsible new owners  , they are put down .  Not a full proof system but goes a long way to mitigate the threat of dangerous dogs . One thing that cannot be guarded against is the attack by a dog within its own home on even its owner or family guest .  When I hear a dog owner say " he would not harm a fly " , do they not realise that a dog can smell fear in a human and will react to that .

I am somewhat intrigued to why Thailand does not have a dog control agency , especially with rabies in many districts , dog attacks on folk a daily occurence  and many dogs in a poor state of health / starvation .   Has to come from the top .

[Borzandy]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

They pledged to find measures to prevent the recurrence of dog attacks on children within the community and to ensure dog owners better control their animals.

Great move, as usual in Thailand.

[jak2002003]

15 hours ago, dallen52 said:

Picture this. 

Suburban soi just out of pattaya. Three houses facing me and three on my side.

One is empty. 

One lady has 4 cats.

One has no dogs.

The others have collectively 22 dogs. 

Penned up all day, let out at night for a pee and poo in the soi.

Barking is horrendous. 

The fighting when they get together is downright scary.

But they see nothing wrong with it. 

 

One has five large bull something cross.

Why do they dote the dogs like this?

 

All I can do is break the lease and move.

One farang, six Thais. 

 

Luckily no children around. 

I one of my last houses we had a farang woman who 'rescued' dogs from the rescue places that were not suitable to rehome due to behavioural problems.

 

She was living in a small house with about 10 big dogs, most in cages, on chains, locked in bathrooms, bedrooms.  The noise and smell was disgusting.  House full of dog crap and pee.  Dogs never allowed out.  A few times one would escape...and several times a neighbour or Thai worker was bitten, even one family member got his finger bitten off!!!

 

So its not always just a Thai thing.  But at least she did not allow the dogs to roam about at random in the street every day as a norm.  

 

There should be a ban on dangerous dog breeds here.  Also any problem dog of any breed should be put to sleep at the vets... and if owners are at fault then they need to be punished too.. not just get a small fine or a few weeks in prison.  

 

People are going to get dangerous dogs, treat dogs badly, and cause accidents, annoy neighbours and cause injuries.... so long as they know they will face no consequences due to the apparent lack of interest by the powers that be.  

[harrycallahan]

32 minutes ago, superal said:

Sorry Harry but have to disagree if you include the UK who have a dangerous dog list that bans ownership and is being revised to take in other breeds . The UK also employ dog wardens for strays that are rounded up . 

What's the punishment for the owner when their dog takes the life of a child? 

[Spidey]

Just now, harrycallahan said:

What's the punishment for the owner when their dog takes the life of a child? 

Not imprisonment.

[NanLaew]

5 hours ago, TunnelRat69 said:

... I never tried to pet any of them, they would look at you with these beady eyes, like they were thinking what part of my body they would tear a chunk out of first.  

What dogs are really thinking...