What price a life? Man faces just one month jail after his vicious dogs kill four year old riding her bike

[NanLaew]

Sensationalist and speculative reporting hooks the hang'em high brigade every time.

 

From the article in the OP (my emphasis):

 

20 hours ago, webfact said:

Yet the dog owner could face little more than a small fine or a short jail term.

And (again, my emphasis)...

 

20 hours ago, webfact said:

The dog's owner - 27 year old Piyanat Daengsoi - has initially been charged with an offence related to allowing fierce animals out in the street where they could do harm.

It's typically called a 'holding charge' in the west.

 

Even the police say...

 

20 hours ago, webfact said:

If negligence could be proven he could be in more serious trouble, said Pol Lt-Col Thongsuk Ratseewor.

I reckon he'll get a bit more than a slap on the wrist. Having said that, the family are probably already discussing what the going compensation rate is for a 4-year old. Pretty sure just the thought of that is getting the Thai bashers all riled up as well.

[Stargeezr]

I feel sorry for the little girls family and friends. I do hope the dogs that killed her

are put down or get some meat with extra spice that kills them off.

Geezer

[HHTel]

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Correct. There's been more than one instance of this in the UK and the owners weren't sent to prison.

The law as it stands in the UK

 

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If your dog does injure the person attacked, you could be sentenced to two years' imprisonment and a £5,000 fine.

 

That's what is available to the courts.  If your dog caused someone's death then I'm sure there are more severe laws that deal with it.

 

In many cases, if a dog has bitten another human, then the dog is put down, the owner is fined and often banned from ever owning a dog.

[Spidey]

15 minutes ago, HHTel said:

 

That's what is available to the courts.  If your dog caused someone's death then I'm sure there are more severe laws that deal with it.

 

In many cases, if a dog has bitten another human, then the dog is put down, the owner is fined and often banned from ever owning a dog.

But never imprisoned, even if the child dies.

[superal]

20 minutes ago, harrycallahan said:

What's the punishment for the owner when their dog takes the life of a child?

Hi Harry ,

Depends on the circumstances and if negligence by the owner was a factor . Imprisonment can be imposed , a monetary fine along with a life long ban on dog ownership .  Now that recent new laws and restrictions on ownership of listed dangerous dogs has been introduced there are fewer cases of serious dog attacks .  On my visits to the UK I no longer see packs of dogs roaming the streets . Come to think about it few if any lone dogs .  I  like dogs and can make friends with them and have a mate  who has a German Shepherd that gets excited to see me when I go to my friends house . He also has 2 smaller dogs that sit with me when I visit . "  Dog is a mans best friend " is a true statement when controlled by a responsible owner  and not to be confused with stray or untrained , diseased street dogs that endanger innocent folk  .

What words can help the parents of the young child  who died from this attack ? I cringe to imagine myself in that situation . But we are surrounded by loose street dogs every day and come to accept it as a matter of norm , until these devastating tragedies occur that are preventable but remain unaddressed .

Soi dogs have stopped my walks because of attacks and some of the dogs have collars .

[HHTel]

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

But never imprisoned, even if the child dies.

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Owners (or the person in charge of the dog at the time) who allow their pets to hurt a person face punishments of up to three years in prison for injury, or 14 years for death, an unlimited fine, disqualification from owning pets, and having their dog destroyed. It is also an offence to allow a dog to injure a registered assistance dog.

Law: Dangerous Dogs Act 1991, section 3 which applies to all dogs regardless of breed.

[sambum]

"If negligence could be proven he could be in more serious trouble, said Pol Lt-Col Thongsuk Ratseewor."

 

2 months in jail?

[hansnl]

18 hours ago, jgarbo said:

If they're neighbors, it'll get worked out to everyone's satisfaction. Money won't save the girl, nor killing the dogs. They'll work it out.

But killing the dogs would certainly stop a repeat.

Dogs that attacked a human can never be trusted again.

[overherebc]

I was under the impression that there was a law introduced in Thailand on the lines of 'unless you are a registered breeder only two dogs per houshold were allowed.'

As I said I'm not sure.

[overherebc]

1 minute ago, hansnl said:

But killing the dogs would certainly stop a repeat.

Dogs that attacked a human can never be trusted again.

True but many years ago my uncle had a GSD and the local paper-boy and his dad turned up with the police, the paper-boy having a few stitches in his hand. The dog was 'destroyed' as they say.

A good few years later it was found out the paper-boy had been in the habit of poking the dog with a stick when no-one was watching. Wasn't much use to the dog years later though.

Not as serious as this thread is and the very obvious fact that these three dogs should be put down and the owner fined heavily and receive a long custodial sentence.

[Vacuum]

1 hour ago, harrycallahan said:

What's the punishment for the owner when their dog takes the life of a child? 

What's the punishment for (let's say a farang) who get attacked by a dog but the dog "lose" the battle?

[lvr181]

19 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

What's the punishment for (let's say a farang) who get attacked by a dog but the dog "lose" the battle?

What will happen if the earth stops spinning? 

[geriatrickid]

21 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

Kill all soi dogs....kill dogs that attack humans and heavily fine owners that allow their dogs to roam unattended........

It's 2018.....people should not be attacked and savaged by dogs!

Ahh an irrational emotional uninformed claim.  You do not know the facts of the case, but you have a solution. Well, you are wrong.

 

This isn't about soi dogs.  The dogs in question were mistreated and the custodian was negligent.  Don't you think this was more about a small time puppy mill operation gone wrong then it is about soi dogs? The custodian of the dogs was responsible for the event. Deal with the responsibility of individuals first and you will find that the problem of dog attacks and soi dogs will be dealt with. The custodian is not really being held accountable. The local officials that did not do anything about his care of the dogs were negligible and the Thai people as a whole are responsible because they refuse to address how dogs are kept and the responsibilities of dog owners and custodians. We wouldn't have these  issues if individuals were held responsible for their dogs,  if there was spaying and neutering and if there was licensing.

You espouse a simplistic solution that  cannot work and has never worked. Only  proper animal care and control with enforcement will work. Other jurisdictions  manage to do it, even in cultures not known for compassion.

[Vacuum]

38 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

What will happen if the earth stops spinning? 

A new ice age on the "dark side" of the planet?

[Zack61]

The price is right. Thai style.

 

I’d be woeful at their game version. RIP little one and know justice will not be forthcoming. 

[Vacuum]

32 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

This isn't about soi dogs.  The dogs in question were mistreated and the custodian was negligent. 

Mistreated, we don't know. Negligent, sure, he should have kept his gate closed so the dogs wouldn't have a chance to roame the streets. But this is what Thai people do, they let their dogs out to do their "toilet thing" on the streets because the owners don't wan't to deal with the poop in their gardens.

[Bangkok Barry]

20 hours ago, ttrd said:

…. and to not forget 100k/thb for smoking on the beach, 5 years in jail for using el cigarette, 500thb for not wearing a helmet comparing to 500thb for threathening People in Public with a sword - Wearing a helmet during the sword swing the fine may then be annulated... 

 

Let me know if you ever hear of anyone actually receiving these threatened fines.

It's great that the owner of the dogs has accepted full responsibility. Very unusual here. I haven't read how the dogs got out to attack the girl, but I guess it can happen at any time when your back is turned. Very sad.

[Ks45672]

15 hours ago, KiChakayan said:

"dog manners" you are just out of your mind...

Your Nip and bite distinction is just laughable.

If I got nipped or bitten I'd be back with a magic meatball to make sure it was the last time

[mlkik]

The little girls grandmother should have been looking after her and the blame lies with her.

[Jonmarleesco]

And without doubt, the dogs are still alive.  

[Road Warrior]

kill all soi dogs that's a start

[Cake Monster]

Just another reason that Thailands justice system, and its laws are a laughing stock.

[Cake Monster]

What a shame the family were not given Legal help in order to have this guy stuffed away into some Thai Jail form 15 years and all his dogs destroyed.

This is a very sad and sickening thing to have happened, and my heart goes out to the Parents of the child.

[upu2]

On 9/19/2018 at 12:46 PM, IgboChief said:

If this was my girl, he would have begged the judge for a life-time sentence w/o the risk of a probation.

Personally I would want him to get a slap on the wrist then I could give him some proper justice

[oldlakey]

10 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

You clearly do not wish to understand dogs.  It is very important to do so if you want to be safe in Thailand.  Do give it some thought.  You would be perectly safe visiting my place.  I do not speak for wild pack dogs or attack dogs bought and trained to be savage by idiot owners.

You are talking complete nonsense

This thread concerns a 4 year old child who was savaged by three dogs who were allowed to roam freely

The child subsequently died of her injuries

I find it impossible to understand anybody who then Posts on this thread that they allow their six dogs to roam freely at will 

I clearly do understand dogs to the extent that when left to their own devices they are not just capable of killing humans they do kill them, and not just defenceless children as is proven by previous events

You are no better than the owner of the three dogs involved in this thread, if anything you are worse because you have six dogs, plus some strange ideas about the capabilities of your dogs

Its people just like you who help to make Thailand such a dangerous place by your irresponsible actions my man

I suggest you give that some thought before it's too late for some other child

Absolutely no good can come from free roaming dogs as is proved in Thailand on a regular basis

[Spidey]

Just now, ttrd said:

….and maybe cutting the Nails....

 

Haven't cut my nails since I came to Thailand, I have people to do that.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies about dog attacks in the UK have been removed. 

[ttrd]

56 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Haven't cut my nails since I came to Thailand, I have people to do that.

I was sure you felt the dog Nails and based on that experience made Your precautions as for the teeth brushing .....

[Spidey]

7 minutes ago, ttrd said:

I was sure you felt the dog Nails and based on that experience made Your precautions as for the teeth brushing .....

What experience? I see no experience.

[The Deerhunter]

2 hours ago, oldlakey said:

You are talking complete nonsense

This thread concerns a 4 year old child who was savaged by three dogs who were allowed to roam freely

The child subsequently died of her injuries

I find it impossible to understand anybody who then Posts on this thread that they allow their six dogs to roam freely at will 

I clearly do understand dogs to the extent that when left to their own devices they are not just capable of killing humans they do kill them, and not just defenceless children as is proven by previous events

You are no better than the owner of the three dogs involved in this thread, if anything you are worse because you have six dogs, plus some strange ideas about the capabilities of your dogs

Its people just like you who help to make Thailand such a dangerous place by your irresponsible actions my man

I suggest you give that some thought before it's too late for some other child

Absolutely no good can come from free roaming dogs as is proved in Thailand on a regular basis

And no good comes from locking dogs up in cages or full time on chains.  And on a property as large as ours (11 rai) they will always find a way out.   Caged and chained dogs become savage because they are not exercised and  have no opportunities to be socialised like a normal dog.  Thais are generally hopeless at looking after dogs.  And, when when their caged dogs get our they get out they can chase, attack and kill children on bikes because they know no better.  This is exactly a sad example in point..... "Noppapon said that the dogs responsible for the attack were kept in pens in a neighbor's house." 

We have 6 dogs because the family insisted on a pack because "they are always dying."  We have had several deaths.  Three from Parvo because  they not innoculated when I got here.  One Hit by car and one poisoned. He was here when I came and was such an awful dog I wanted to get rid of him.  The family would only hear of taking him a long way away in a truck and throwing him out, which I vetoed.  I was glad when he was poisoned.  No loss.  I do have chains and they are used for punishment if a dog misbehaves.  They understand. it exactly.

 If it is not too much trouble for you please try to understand that our situation is nothing like the unfortunate one that is the subject of this thread.  It occurred in an urban soi.  We live in a rural area on a 1km long road with 5 houses fronting it.  (2 more off a side road. Everyone has dogs.  One has over 15.  Ours are the best vaccinated and fed dogs in the street.  and they keep other hungry scavanging dogs away.   

 

We have lots of very valuable fruit and numerous pumps on the property, all of which are tempting targets for thieves.  We have had two pumps stolen in the last 5 years, but now they are heavily protected protected by concrete, welded steel rebar cages, heavy locks hidden inside the cage where they cannot be easily cut...   and DOGS.   Security IS a problem round here.  We have no telephone lines in the street.  TOT refuses too replace them again because they only get stolen.  No one in this area has had land line phones or ADSL internet for over 10 years.  All our tool sheds are locked at night and burglaries do happen round here.   If one of my dogs turned into a biter I would probably do something that is illegal in Thailand .... find some way to have it destroyed.

My dogs are socialized  and have kids in and out of here on bikes all the time.  I have no time for caged or constantly chained dogs or wild soi dogs.  We are not going to agree on this.  Lets leave it there.

I