SURVEY: Did the FBI and DOJ conspire on Russian collusion?

[Spidey]

Just now, riclag said:

Wrong ,you can't indict a sitting POTUS.That's why the constitution of my country plainly says , the means to take out a POTUS is through impeachment and then has to have a two thrids majority of the senate. You want to put down my country at least know what your talking about

You're assuming that Trump will still be in office when Muller completes his investigation.

 

Even the Republicans will turn on him after the mid terms. Don't forget the 25th amendment.

[TonyClifton]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

Wrong ,you can't indict a sitting POTUS.That's why the constitution of my country plainly says , the means to take out a POTUS is through impeachment and then has to have a two thrids majority of the senate. You want to put down my country at least know what your talking about

It's not just that, is is also that while the dopey Democrats keep beating the impeachment drum, they neglect to tell everyone that you can only be impeached for what you do while you hold the office, not while you run for it.

 

Poor babies.  Boo hoo ...

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, TonyClifton said:

It's not just that, is is also that while the dopey Democrats keep beating the impeachment drum, they neglect to tell everyone that you can only be impeached for what you do while you hold the office, not while you run for it.

 

Poor babies.  Boo hoo ...

Where in the Constitution does it say that? In fact, the prevailing opinion on impeachment is that Congress gets to decide what are the grounds for impeachment. 

As you clearly don't recall, the impeachment of Bill Clinton began with the investigation of the Whitewater real estate deal, which occurred before Clinton was President.

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[TonyClifton]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Where in the Constitution does it say that? In fact, the prevailing opinion on impeachment is that Congress gets to decide what are the grounds for impeachment. 

As you clearly don't recall, the impeachment of Bill Clinton began with the investigation of the Whitewater real estate deal, which occurred before Clinton was President.

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You'd be correct if your facts were also correct.  As usual, you're wrong.

 

Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for Whitewater.

I'll let you do some research to find out why he was impeached.  

Please don't cry, you might have to read something for a change.

 

Thank you for playing with TonyClifton.  Unfortunately, you came into the ring but not with your A game.  Better luck next time.

[riclag]

18 minutes ago, Spidey said:

You're assuming that Trump will still be in office when Muller completes his investigation.

 

Even the Republicans will turn on him after the mid terms. Don't forget the 25th amendment.

Jeepers  you guys! You under estimate the guy who never looses . He has been planning this strategy to deal with the left,rhinos ,dem's and the media for many years. Except he and the people of change (the forgotten) never envision a coup by the Top career Professionals of these intel agencies.But he and the forces of good are dealing with that now 

Edited September 25, 2018 by riclag

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, TonyClifton said:

You'd be correct if your facts were also correct.  As usual, you're wrong.

 

Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for Whitewater.

I'll let you do some research to find out why he was impeached.  

Please don't cry, you might have to read something for a change.

 

Thank you for playing with TonyClifton.  Unfortunately, you came into the ring but not with your A game.  Better luck next time.

The impeachment investigation began with Whitewater. It didn't end up there. But it was clearly considered grounds for impeachment. That they didn't come up with evidence of criminal activity on Bill Clinton's part is irrelevant.

 

[Kieran00001]

40 minutes ago, riclag said:

You have been drinking that Russian koolaid that the MSM gives out, again. First you say collusion isn't a crime which is true ,then you say it's fraud,how can that be, when fraud is a crime.The POTUS isn't being investigated for a crime. The campaign is being investigated,there hasn't been any wrong doing affiliated with the election by the campaign. The investigators are being investigated though!

 

I am sorry, I can't teach you basic reading skills.

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

You under estimate the guy who never looses .

Three bankruptcies, and a golf course in Scotland that's lost him millions. That's a loser in my book.

 

Also, he never intended to win the election, nobody was more surprised than him when he won. So that's another loss. 

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I am sorry, I can't teach you basic reading skills.

I get my message across .Don't fuss over it life is too short!

[TonyClifton]

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

The impeachment investigation began with Whitewater. It didn't end up there. But it was clearly considered grounds for impeachment. That they didn't come up with evidence of criminal activity on Bill Clinton's part is irrelevant.

 

You confuse investigation with impeachment.  I'm not surprised.  You are confused.  You still haven't come up with the reason why Bill Clinton was impeached.

 

Are you scared to post it?

 

Thank you for playing ...  blah .... blah ... blah .... FAIL

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Three bankruptcies, and a golf course in Scotland that's lost him millions. That's a loser in my book.

 

Also, he never intended to win the election, nobody was more surprised than him when he won. So that's another loss. 

Ok ! 

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, TonyClifton said:

You confuse investigation with impeachment.  I'm not surprised.  You are confused.  You still haven't come up with the reason why Bill Clinton was impeached.

 

Are you scared to post it?

 

Thank you for playing ...  blah .... blah ... blah .... FAIL

So, you're saying that the investigative team appointed by the House to investigate Whitewater did this as an empty exercise? Do you have any idea of how ridiculous such a contention is? I guess that answer to that is no.

Let's face it. You contended that a President can only be impeached for acts committed while he was in office. That's just dead wrong.

 

[TonyClifton]

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Oooh, hit a nerve, did I? Sounds like you are barking at the moon already.

I come with facts ready.  What do you bring to the discussion?

 

We are all still waiting for you to admit to the real reason Clinton was impeached. 

 

Tick Tock.

[Spidey]

5 minutes ago, TonyClifton said:

iI come with facts ready.  What do you bring to the discussion?

 

We are all still waiting for you to admit to the real reason Clinton was impeached. 

 

Tick Tock.

I didn't claim to know why Clinton was impeached. Lying to a Senate enquiry? You're quoting the wrong poster. I gave you facts on why he was a loser, you couldn't repudiate them so resorted to childish insults based on zero facts.

 

What are you? A fairytale crocodile?

Edited September 25, 2018 by Spidey

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

You have been drinking that Russian koolaid that the MSM gives out, again. First you say collusion isn't a crime which is true ,then you say it's fraud,how can that be, when fraud is a crime.The POTUS isn't being investigated for a crime. The campaign is being investigated,there hasn't been any wrong doing affiliated with the election by the campaign. The investigators are being investigated though!

 

In any conspiracy, complicated investigation like this, it's law enforcement and prosecutors standard approach to start with the small frys on the periphery, and then slowly gradually work their way up the chain getting to higher and higher involved parties. That's exactly what Mueller's team has been doing in this case.

 

I can't predict the future, but people like Don Jr. and Jared Kushner would seem likely next targets for indictment if there's still more to come, perhaps for the Russians "adoption" meeting in Trump Tower and the mountain of Trump-related lies and deception related to that, or who knows what else, based on the cooperation agreements Mueller has obtained from people like Manafort, Gates, Cohen, etc.

 

Will it end up ensnaring Trump personally on the Russia election collusion issue?  I can't say, of course. But if not that, perhaps obstruction of justice in connection with his firing of the FBI director (and all the various offshoots of that) after he refused to shut down/impede the Russia election collusion investigation as Trump had demanded, and has been demanding ever since.

 

There's no sign I'm aware of that Mueller and Co. are done, and every indication they have more cases to bring. So I would be staying tuned, and that's probably why Trump and Co. are sweating, cursing, lashing out, etc etc.

 

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TonyClifton]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Will it end up ensnaring Trump personally on the Russia election collusion issue?  I can't say, of course. But if not that, perhaps obstruction of justice in connection with his firing of the FBI director (and all the various offshoots of that) after he refused to shut down/impede the Russia election collusion investigation as Trump had demanded, and has been demanding ever since.

A sitting President is an ultimate boss.  He cannot be indicted for doing anything that is in his job description.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, TonyClifton said:

A sitting President is an ultimate boss.  He cannot be indicted for doing anything that is in his job description.

 

Treason and colluding with Russia to sway U.S. presidential elections are NOT in his job description, as much as he probably thinks they are.  Neither is obstruction of justice, for that matter. Nor is inducing illegal campaign contributions (the porn payoffs).

 

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TonyClifton]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Treason and colluding with Russia to sway U.S. presidential elections are NOT in his job description, as much as he probably thinks they are.  Neither is obstruction of justice, for that matter.

 

 

Is there a charge?  If not, then you are referencing vapor.  I suggest you get a net and try to catch it.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, TonyClifton said:

Is there a charge?  If not, then you are referencing vapor.  I suggest you get a net and try to catch it.

 

There weren't charges against Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Cohen etc... until... there were. As I said, stay tuned.

 

As hard as Trump has been scheming to thwart the Mueller investigation, any reasonable, thinking person would only have to assume that he well knows what he's done and what he's liable for. And is scrambling like a sewer rat to do everything possible to avoid the jaws of the rat trap finally falling on him.

 

[chokrai]

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Three bankruptcies, and a golf course in Scotland that's lost him millions. That's a loser in my book.

 

Also, he never intended to win the election, nobody was more surprised than him when he won. So that's another loss. 

Yeah he is a real loser. Billionaire and President of the US. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, TonyClifton said:

I have a vision of you with a net, prancing around the internet, trying feverishly to catch some vapor in your net.  Do tell when you are successful. 

 No. Unlike Trump and probably you, I'm content to let the current criminal investigation play out, and see charges brought against those, whomever they may be, where prosecutors believe they have a legitimate case, and have those charges decided via plea or trial.

 

That's the American system of justice as opposed to a corrupt dictatorship like Trump aspires to and Putin already has.

 

[Scott]

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[bristolboy]

40 minutes ago, TonyClifton said:

A sitting President is an ultimate boss.  He cannot be indicted for doing anything that is in his job description.

Perhaps not while he is President. But afterwards if a pattern of acts that the federal prosecutorial system determines to beobstruction of justice, then he could be indicted and convicted once he is out of oiffice.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Perhaps not while he is President. But afterwards if a pattern of acts that the federal prosecutorial system determines to beobstruction of justice, then he could be indicted and convicted once he is out of oiffice.

 

Or impeached while in offense for an offense like obstruction of justice.

 

Or, perhaps, even face criminal charges brought by some state prosecutor (as opposed to the U.S. Justice Department). The Justice Department apparently has a policy to not indict a sitting president.

 

But that policy wouldn't apply to state prosecutors, and I'm not sure there's any settled case law that says a sitting U.S. president is immune from state criminal charges, for example, in connection with the Trump Foundation or any other state jurisdiction issue.

 

If I'm wrong on the state prosecution issue, I'm sure someone will correct me.

 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

There weren't charges against Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Cohen etc... until... there were. As I said, stay tuned.

 

As hard as Trump has been scheming to thwart the Mueller investigation, any reasonable, thinking person would only have to assume that he well knows what he's done and what he's liable for. And is scrambling like a sewer rat to do everything possible to avoid the jaws of the rat trap finally falling on him.

 

You will be contributing to a go fund me account for some of the traitors ,like Mccabe,Orr ,strokz Comey and Rosenstein,Yates. 

[riclag]

29 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Or impeached while in offense for an offense like obstruction of justice.

 

Or, perhaps, even face criminal charges brought by some state prosecutor (as opposed to the U.S. Justice Department). The Justice Department apparently has a policy to not indict a sitting president.

 

But that policy wouldn't apply to state prosecutors, and I'm not sure there's any settled case law that says a sitting U.S. president is immune from state criminal charges, for example, in connection with the Trump Foundation or any other state jurisdiction issue.

 

If I'm wrong on the state prosecution issue, I'm sure someone will correct me.

 

How would you compete with the MSM ? Lie down and take it like all of the others! He has the B--ls to buck their leftest propaganda ! This guy is made of titainum. Besides doesn't matter who is POTUS any conservative would of got the same abuse.The optics look bad in the  eyes of the deranged because the MSM portrays it that way. The FBI and some of the activist pretending to be reporters for the Media were all exchanging money and favors for lies that tried to take down a elected POTUS.The forces of good are still working on the remaining stench in the intel and the sick violent resistance  

Edited September 25, 2018 by riclag

[riclag]

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I was responding to your above quoted comment re Trump.

 

He may be made of "titainum," but that doesn't stop world leaders from laughing when he talks. 

 

The guy's as fake and phony as a counterfeit U.S. $3 bill -- encased in "titainum," of course!   

We don't care what world leaders think, silly . We only care about America. I'll be voting in the midterms ,something you can't do! 

[Guest]

More than 50% people on this forum think that FBI and DOJ conspired together to make fake news.

 

More than 50% on this forum. 

[riclag]

40 minutes ago, oilinki said:

More than 50% people on this forum think that FBI and DOJ conspired together to make fake news.

 

More than 50% on this forum. 

And

[candide]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

More than 50% people on this forum think that FBI and DOJ conspired together to make fake news.

 

More than 50% on this forum. 

Out of 159 people participating in this pool at the time I write this post. I would not bet it is representative of anything.

Edited September 25, 2018 by candide