Thanathorn blasts Thai military for creating “vicious circle” at New York forum

[webfact]

Thanathorn blasts Thai military for creating “vicious circle” at New York forum

 

 

Future Forward Party leader Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit has used the 2018 Concordia Annual Summit in New York as a forum to lambast the Thai military for creating what he described as a vicious circle in Thailand’s politics.

 

The summit, a high-level nonpartisan forum that normally attracts some of the most important world and business leaders, was held early this week in parallel with the United Nations General Assembly.

In his speech, entitled “A turning Point in Thai Democracy”, Mr Thanathorn offered an explanation as to why Thailand possibly has the highest number of military coups in the world.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thanathorn-blasts-thai-military-for-creating-vicious-circle-at-new-york-forum/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-09-26

[anon789561]

this guy says it like it is, if only he and his party were given any kind of chance

it's a bloody shame

Edited September 26, 2018 by Happy enough

[Oziex1]

Oh dear is he causing confusion and tarnishing Thailand's image overseas. 

[Ossy]

Here's the man who, instead of jumping the red light (an Ossy metaphor), slowed down for the junction at just the right time. Mindful, he said to a probably hushed international audience, of an impossible political situation - created by the over-zealous military that formed the main point of his address - he'd got to the 'junction' and, having decided his course - moving forward towards a truly democratic future - evidently has the motivation to do something about it.

What a shining star, amongst all the dross that Thailand has suffered for the last lifetime or two.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Ossy
omisson

[Odysseus123]

A brave man.

 

Irrespective of whether he is wealthy or not he has stepped out of the ranks (so to speak) and given it a go on an international forum.

 

Therefore breaking the Thai code of deafening silence on anything that may be construed as criticism of Shangri-La.

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, Happy enough said:

this guy says it like it is, if only he and his party were given any kind of chance

it's a bloody shame

Yeah, kind of a shame. 

Yet, there is hope of retaining some sort of political reason and assemblance for the near future. 

These circles are attempting to plant seeds towards positive growth that may be unseen as of yet. 

 

Patience and tolerance are their most abundant holdings. 

[anon789561]

Just now, zzaa09 said:

Yeah, kind of a shame. 

Yet, there is hope of retaining some sort of political reason and assemblance for the near future. 

These circles are attempting to plant seeds towards positive growth that may be unseen as of yet. 

 

Patience and tolerance are their most abundant holdings. 

oh yes, i think we'll see more of him in the future for sure

unless he's forced out or incarcerated that is

[Eligius]

This  young man, Thanathorn, is like a ray of beautiful sunlight on a cloud-clogged day - a breath of invigorating wind sweeping through a musty old room.

 

If ever I saw a world-class figure for Thailand's political future, it would seem to be this man, Thanathorn. He is intelligent, articulate, seemingly fair-minded, progressive and democratic.

 

One day - his time will come. But his time has not come yet (sadly). Why not?

 

Because the Thais in their MILLIONS will not take to the streets to support him!

[Fex Bluse]

He's gonna be in big trouble 

[Chassa]

12 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

He's gonna be in big trouble 

You betcha!

[Oziex1]

Sadly I see a situation common with the Thai"s who speak as he does, he may find he is no longer able to live in his country.

 

I hope it works out for him and for Thailand.

[yellowboat]

Sure his mother is probably worried sick about him. 

 

"As political conflicts erupted, the military then stepped in to play a role of a hero leading the country to recover from political turmoil, he said.

But in reality, he said, it was only a group of some people monopolizing the country’s economy with a close tie with the military dictatorship system that keeps this vicious circle going."

 

Those dogs need to be put on a leash, but who can do that?

[Eric Loh]

3 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

Sure his mother is probably worried sick about him. 

 

"As political conflicts erupted, the military then stepped in to play a role of a hero leading the country to recover from political turmoil, he said.

But in reality, he said, it was only a group of some people monopolizing the country’s economy with a close tie with the military dictatorship system that keeps this vicious circle going."

 

Those dogs need to be put on a leash, but who can do that?

Already a few days since he made that statement and not a whimper from Prayut contrasting with the immediate blaster retort to Sanob Thienthong. I beginning to think that Thanatorn has strong backings from very influential people and Prayut is being very cautious on how to deal with him. His mother wouldn't need to worry too much if those powerful people stand behind his son. 

[TPI]

17 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

A brave man.

 

Irrespective of whether he is wealthy or not he has stepped out of the ranks (so to speak) and given it a go on an international forum.

 

Therefore breaking the Thai code of deafening silence on anything that may be construed as criticism of Shangri-La.

Unfortunately he has condemned himself out of his own mouth, does he truly expect to be able to return (in safety) to Thailand?? Traffic accident, suicide, botched robbery or family loss of face...one of these things will happen!!

[Srikcir]

38 minutes ago, TPI said:

Unfortunately he has condemned himself out of his own mouth, does he truly expect to be able to return (in safety) to Thailand?? Traffic accident, suicide, botched robbery or family loss of face...one of these things will happen!!

Sometimes in politics it takes the sacrifice of a hero to make heroes to change a country's future.

[cookieqw]

If only I had the ability to give a great big thumbs up

like you can with messenger

[DrTuner]

Would be interesting to see his party in driver's seat. My bet is in 2.45 days they'd be right on the same old, same old path as all the others.

[chainarong]

18 hours ago, Eligius said:

This  young man, Thanathorn, is like a ray of beautiful sunlight on a cloud-clogged day - a breath of invigorating wind sweeping through a musty old room.

 

If ever I saw a world-class figure for Thailand's political future, it would seem to be this man, Thanathorn. He is intelligent, articulate, seemingly fair-minded, progressive and democratic.

 

One day - his time will come. But his time has not come yet (sadly). Why not?

 

Because the Thais in their MILLIONS will not take to the streets to support him!

Over the decades rays of sunshine have come and gone , this however would be Thailand's greatest hour if for no other reason Thailand desperately needs change and leadership, for it is the year 2018, for after this there will be nothing but sameness, Thanathorn has only one bite of the cherry, I wish him well. 

[Redline]

Balls up.  It takes someone to push first.  I hope he stays out of jail, and his message is heeded 

[Fex Bluse]

2 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Would be interesting to see his party in driver's seat. My bet is in 2.45 days they'd be right on the same old, same old path as all the others.

I hate to be negative all the time but I must agree. Those of us who have been here for a couple or several decades have seen these sweet talkers before. Nothing ever changes. At all. 

[Media1]

This man is Thailand's future. The vote is here. His the only chance.

[Media1]

23 hours ago, Oziex1 said:

Oh dear is he causing confusion and tarnishing Thailand's image overseas. 

Time for the Rolex General to be woken from his slumber

[SuperTed]

I hate to be negative all the time but I must agree. Those of us who have been here for a couple or several decades have seen these sweet talkers before. Nothing ever changes. At all. 

It is the same for the most of SE Asia. A love for, and expectation of, democracy is something that must be taught from a young age. Mostly in school.

It just does not happen here, so people put up with whatever those who obtain power offer them. When it gets oppressive people may rise up, or foreign allies complain, and the powerful adjust. But just a little bit.


Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[zzaa09]

On 9/27/2018 at 1:49 AM, Fex Bluse said:

I hate to be negative all the time but I must agree. Those of us who have been here for a couple or several decades have seen these sweet talkers before. Nothing ever changes. At all. 

There's really no need for change, yes? 

 

Where's the real repression?

[Thailand]

The Thorn could be exactly that, his family are sure to have powerful friends both inside and outside of Thailand, interesting times.

[Fex Bluse]

56 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

There's really no need for change, yes? 

 

Where's the real repression?

As a well-educated foreigner, I suppose there is not much oppression that affects me directly. 

 

However, had I been born an average Thai and my opportunities severely restricted from day 1 and then convinced during my socialization that I should be thankful for and unquestioning of my lot in life and told that "good people" earned/deserved all their relative wealth and power and right to exploit me as they see fit, then I might have a different idea about oppression. 

 

No way to know for sure. 

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

There's really no need for change, yes? 

 

Where's the real repression?

 

Unfortunately there is a point, many Thais don't want much change because 'makes you think to  much / too serious', and also because their knowledge of what democracy really means, the benefits of democracy and what real democracy looks like and feels like is almost unknown.

 

The gurus of successful change will tell you a million times, 'folks must be convinced of the need for change and know exactly what change will bring, what it will look like  and what benefits it will have for them personally, without all of that the chances of successful change are slim.

 

However this young guy is well educated abroad and hopefully he's well aware of all of the above and does strongly focus on these points. Good luck to him. 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2018 by scorecard

[mikebell]

They won't let him back in at BKK.

[Dave67]

With his wealth and connections he is untouchable . The General oh sorry PM wont be a happy , cue faux outrage and a summons to a police station

[Odysseus123]

1 hour ago, Fex Bluse said:

As a well-educated foreigner, I suppose there is not much oppression that affects me directly. 

 

However, had I been born an average Thai and my opportunities severely restricted from day 1 and then convinced during my socialization that I should be thankful for and unquestioning of my lot in life and told that "good people" earned/deserved all their relative wealth and power and right to exploit me as they see fit, then I might have a different idea about oppression. 

 

No way to know for sure. 

Yours is an interesting (and very fair) perspective and I have often wondered the same thing but it is unknowable,I guess.

 

However, I have often met Thai people overseas who are certainly quite capable of being far more analytical-and far more trenchant-in their thinking and expressing their views as it often only takes a willing exposure to other cultures to get the ball rolling.