20-year plan irreversible: PM Prayut

[chama]

Fortunately nothing is "irreversible" and when a legitimate government is in place it will be their responsibility to determine what is best for the Thai people.

[gk10002000]

It is as irreversible as the next military coup decides it to be.  This is just disgusting that in this modern age a country can't be organize and governed by its own citizens.  I guess in the future when historians look back and discuss civilian versus military or dictatorially controlled countries, the same patterns will be the same as they have been for millennia.  Might often makes Right.  The only difference is the type of might and nowadays information is a bit more easily passed among the populace even as some governments attempt to monitor or control the flow of communication.  Reminds me of the line from Jesus Christ Superstar song "Israel in 4 B had no mass communication..."

[jayboy]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

Absolutely agree and it's a sure sign that this muppet has no idea about Government/governance or planning. Pathetic to say the least.

 

We had better get used to it.This time next year he will still be PM.

[zzaa09]

50 minutes ago, chama said:

Fortunately nothing is "irreversible" and when a legitimate government is in place it will be their responsibility to determine what is best for the Thai people.

 

We'll never witness decent and legitimate government until the deeper underbelly is cleansed. 

The underlying puppet masters will always have their way unless they're removed.

[kannot]

11 hours ago, Chassa said:

No war in our time! Chamberlain said. They all lie.

wasnt it "peace in our  time"?

[DrTuner]

3 hours ago, oldrunner said:

Most unlikely that I'll be here (on earth) for the duration of P's edict.

What a depressing thought. Luckily we can move out.

[billd766]

7 hours ago, candide said:

Actually, the constitution itself de-facto prevents any change. It is written that changing the constitution requires the agreement of 20% of MPs of EACH opposition party. So it cannot be changed unless 20% of MPs of each pro-military party agree to it. 

 

Submission or rebellion. It does not seem to be any intermediate option.

 

Simply scrap the constitution.

 

There is already a precedent, as that is what this government did.

[baboon]

50 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Simply scrap the constitution.

 

There is already a precedent, as that is what this government did.

But Bill, how do you 'simply' scrap it given the safegurds in place? The appointed senators. The legally binding 20 year plan which must NOT be deviated from Or Else?

 

God knows how civil society will be able to extricate themselves from this. I hope they will, but I am not exactly optimistic unless there is an almighty (literally) bloody uprising. An uprising I will neither condone nor encourage, given the savagery of this 'military' when facing their own compatriots.

 

However there is nowt much we can do, short of saying our piece and opposing the (few remaining) fascist sympathisers on Thaivisa...

[billd766]

12 hours ago, baboon said:

But Bill, how do you 'simply' scrap it given the safegurds in place? The appointed senators. The legally binding 20 year plan which must NOT be deviated from Or Else?

 

God knows how civil society will be able to extricate themselves from this. I hope they will, but I am not exactly optimistic unless there is an almighty (literally) bloody uprising. An uprising I will neither condone nor encourage, given the savagery of this 'military' when facing their own compatriots.

 

However there is nowt much we can do, short of saying our piece and opposing the (few remaining) fascist sympathisers on Thaivisa...

 

It will be down to whichever political party or coalition that wins a "proper" election. They will have the mandate from the people and they will be running the country. If the military disagree the only way to stop it would be to have another coup and IMHO would be a bloody mess for Thailand. It would take the King to stop it.

 

I feel so sad for the people of Thailand that they have to put up with crap like a coup every few years which puts Thailand further and further behind the developed and developing world.

[chama]

22 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

 

We'll never witness decent and legitimate government until the deeper underbelly is cleansed. 

The underlying puppet masters will always have their way unless they're removed.

Sadly, I can't argue this....you are correct....but I sure wish you were not. 

[zzaa09]

Even more depressing might be the dreamy outsiders who mean well, yet haven't a clue as to how things work.

Real Thai affairs/culture.

Real Thai history.

Etc.

[Sir Dude]

This "Plan" is not irreversible and the youngsters will tear it up when their time comes (the kids growing up now won't stand for it in 10 years) and the dinosaurs that are suppressing everyone/everything now leave this mortal coil or become so ancient the they have now power any more. Can't come soon enough.

Edited September 29, 2018 by Sir Dude

[tomta]

19 hours ago, baboon said:

But Bill, how do you 'simply' scrap it given the safegurds in place? The appointed senators. The legally binding 20 year plan which must NOT be deviated from Or Else?

 

God knows how civil society will be able to extricate themselves from this. I hope they will, but I am not exactly optimistic unless there is an almighty (literally) bloody uprising. An uprising I will neither condone nor encourage, given the savagery of this 'military' when facing their own compatriots.

 

However there is nowt much we can do, short of saying our piece and opposing the (few remaining) fascist sympathisers on Thaivisa...

It seems to me that there will have to be a civilian coup to revoke all the nonsense. A coup is just a declaration that "We have power". It would be ironic and probably awful. 

[tomta]

But if, and it's a big if, given the rigging of things, an elected government will have to go head to head with the army and oppose them on everything, particularly conscription - but really everything, They should have pursued this strategy in 2011 . Now it will be harder. But it is the only way,

[zzaa09]

48 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

This "Plan" is not irreversible and the youngsters will tear it up when their time comes (the kids growing up now won't stand for it in 10 years) and the dinosaurs that are suppressing everyone/everything now leave this mortal coil or become so ancient the they have now power any more. Can't come soon enough.

Almost impossible to speculate towards what next generations of Thai might thrive for. 

[greeneking]

57 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Almost impossible to speculate towards what next generations of Thai might thrive for. 

I hope you are right. But the children of the entitled and powerful are taking the places of their uncles and fathers. One promising to make the army more powerful so it can manage security problems.

Others ready to lead for Thaksin. Demonstrations gather in their dozens rather than their thousands and pop stars are happy to suck up to the suppressors.

[gk10002000]

On 9/28/2018 at 10:50 AM, billd766 said:

 

Simply scrap the constitution.

 

There is already a precedent, as that is what this government did.

The so called constitution or charter or whatever has been routinely tossed aside by several coups and it will continue to be so because the Thai people are not willing to support a proper constitution.  They all believe that with connections and bribes they can work things out.

[pattayadgw]

Nothing is irreversible Mr P....... remember people power?  

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, pattayadgw said:

Nothing is irreversible Mr P....... remember people power?  

And it's about to rise.....again.

[Chassa]

On 9/28/2018 at 8:00 PM, kannot said:

wasnt it "peace in our  time"?

Don't know I wasn't even born then, but it means the same - politicians LIE!

[CharlieH]

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[Small Joke]

On 9/28/2018 at 10:35 AM, Eligius said:

Great post, Ossy. I hope you are right - and that I (and my academic Red Shirt friend) are wrong!

He's wrong.

You're right. Sadly.  

People in general will put up with almost anything until their backs are against the wall and they have literally nothing left to lose but their lives.

OR a faction of the Military decide to effect regime change under populist auspieces, re- Zimbabwe last year. 

Railing against it is wishful thinking, much like the foreign academics who fell over themselves falsely predicting the sky falling here, after the great bereavement. 

Moan on all you want, the locals are too busy just getting by, like most people on the planet who put up with a suprising amount of misrule from their own rubbish governments. We're all more similar as a species in terms of NOT wanting to be the martyr, than those who impotently berate the Thais for their lack of gumption on here. 

 

Edited September 30, 2018 by Small Joke

[Small Joke]

20 hours ago, pattayadgw said:

Nothing is irreversible Mr P....... remember people power?  

I do. And they're back where they started, with Marcos 2.0 -only crazier. 

Having said that, I agree any 20 year plan more complex than a mortgage is nonsensical. 

Ether technology, or geopolitical events, or both, will change the world beyond recognition. But we'll still all be dealing with the same human greed, fear, and stupidity that drives the news cycles now. 

May as well just enjoy the ride and hope the wars don't happen in our backyards. 

[The Deerhunter]

Thailand, the way I want it?  My vision, my ego, and I will not let it be changed even if circumstances changed?????

Oh dear.  No country wants what amounts to a constitutionally enshrined straight jacket.