Tolerance under stress as ‘loud’ mosque prayers draw complaints

[ginjag]

2 hours ago, Darkside Gray said:

Seems like Muslim Bashing to me, the mosques and whats were there long before the condos.

And the Temples were there way before the Muslims were thought of.  not bashing, FACT

[TEFLKrabi]

The call to prayer was used to remind people to pray but now most Muslims, in developed countries, have a mobile app which tells them when to pray and which way to face. As much as the call can be beautiful, the volume could be adjusted somewhat. 

[orchidfan]

2 hours ago, terminatorchiangmai said:

They know that Muslims are being reminded of prayer times,”

 

If they are so religious why do they need to get reminded about praying times ?

What other religion has to call their followers to prayer? ??

[9653]

3 hours ago, neeray said:

 

"less is more". The phrase is very apropos here.

Actually, no need for the loud music at all if the purpose of the loud music is "Muslims are being reminded of prayer times.”.

 

We nearly all have digital smart phones with multi-time-set alarms.

The answer is simple. Turn the music down so as to be a better neighbour, train your followers to use their digital device. Welcome to the digital age.

 

Post #2 above noted that "in BKK people work/sleep 24hrs and it's important that they rest well".

Very true. And while I can not speak for the demographics and expansion of condo dwellings in Bkk, logic says that it is much different than it was decades ago, maybe many new condos.

Come on, be a good neighbour ! Doesn't matter how long the mosque has been there. Times are changing, change with them.

 

The answer to this type of noise pollution is quite simple. All you need is a long bamboo ladder and a side cutter 

[falangjim]

3 hours ago, terminatorchiangmai said:

They know that Muslims are being reminded of prayer times,”

 

If they are so religious why do they need to get reminded about praying times ?

Because the prayer times change; that is why.

[neeray]

3 minutes ago, falangjim said:

Because the prayer times change; that is why.

Simple solution: As many posters here have pointed out, this can all be handled digitally today.

No need to upset the neighbours !

Adapt like an expat (expats are good at adapting).

[toofarnorth]

2 hours ago, p414 said:

The call to prayer was introduced when nobody knew the exact time..Now everybody has a watch or similar timepiece..The call to prayer [particularly in England] is merely to inform non believers 'WE ARE HERE'

Much what I was thinking . Clocks on church towers might have been the only way for folk to know the time be it for work or catching the train.  The bell ringing on a Sunday was to call people to prayer , does this still happen in those pleasent shires of the England I once knew ?

[Thian]

1 hour ago, yasbkk said:

I am sure that you too would be early riser if you were working.

 

Almost every day in BKK i wake up from noise which neighbours (some are far away) produce...They start before 6 and even with all windows closed it wakes me up.

[lvr181]

3 hours ago, irwinfc said:

maybe similar to pavlov's bell? 

It would have driven his dogs bonkers!

[bluesofa]

Just now, lvr181 said:

It would have driven his dogs bonkers!

I never knew his dogs had any bonkers to drive?

 

[Menhir]

1 hour ago, AUSSIE BOB said:

I live near two in Patong and for the best part of my time here I have grown to accept them but lately these two mosques appear to be competing against each other and the volume has noticeably increased. Perhaps they have adjusted the direction of the loud speakers, I don't know. Soft/low volume is sometimes soothing but when they have a new comer to the task and they cannot chant/sing/whatever, it can be down right annoying. I would be a happier resident if I was not woken every morning at 5am. 

Contact your lawyer and ask him to contact the obotor. There is an official regulation about noise in Thaialnd. The noise shouldn't be more than 10 decibels from 10pm to 6am. 

 

[Zack61]

3 hours ago, NE1 said:

Why do they need reminding every day ?

Surely there memory function works.

Smart phones have alarm clocks.. We no longer live in the dark ages and the necessity to blare out this type of noise is no longer needed. It's all about respect and what these religions demonstrate is a complete disregard for it. I'm glad I don't live within earshot of these places and would be complaining if I did. For what it's worth I support these complainants 1000%

[lvr181]

Was in K.L. about 2 years ago doing my tourist thing. On afternoon (or early evening) heard one of the mosques blaring out its message(?) from the tower - looked around and did not see any Muslim taking any notice of what was going on. Different rules for different followers of their different 'prophets"?  Sunnis and Shites not on the same page? ????

[lvr181]

9 minutes ago, Zack61 said:

We no longer live in the dark ages

Fundamentalists seem to do so. ????

[wvavin]

Should get the north eastern folks to park their pick ups loaded with their usual musical stuffs near the mosque to see who is louder...LOL

[bluesofa]

1 minute ago, lvr181 said:

{snipped}Different rules for different followers of their different 'prophets"?  Sunnis and Shites not on the same page? ????

Atheism - a non-prophet organisation.

 

[Thian]

12 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Was in K.L. about 2 years ago doing my tourist thing. On afternoon (or early evening) heard one of the mosques blaring out its message(?) from the tower - looked around and did not see any Muslim taking any notice of what was going on. Different rules for different followers of their different 'prophets"?  Sunnis and Shites not on the same page? ????

It's the same in Jakarta...first at 4 am, and again every hour after that iirc...terrible.

BKK was always better than Jakarta for religious noise, maybe they can ask the Chinese tourists what they think about it? After all they are the most important tourists these days.

[The Deerhunter]

4 hours ago, YetAnother said:

why o why would muslims care about non-muslims ?

The same situation exists with loud speakers attached to wats in many areas. I have a friend near Phitsonalok who literally cannot even use the phone when the Temple over 100m away uses its new loud speaker's.  People if any nd all religions are famous for being intolerant of unbelievers of any stripe.

[bluesofa]

1 minute ago, Thian said:

It's the same in Jakarta...first at 4 am, and again every hour after that iirc...terrible.

BKK was always better than Jakarta for religious noise, maybe they can ask the Chinese tourists what they think about it? After all they are the most important tourists these days.

I doubt if they would ever notice, what with their never ending high-volume chatter.

 

[jingjai9]

I think one of the great things about Thailand is the tolerance. Here in Udon I used to live next to the local mosque and every morning about 04:30 there would be a call to prayer, loud and clear over the microphone. Then at 6:00 the local monks would pass by on my soi for alms and prayers and then at 6:30 my mother-in-law would come by to take my daughter to Christian school.

 

I was willing to put up with the loud call to prayer as the Thai neighbors tolerated the loud sounds coming from the mosque and I followed suit. Did I like it? No Did I get used to it? Yes.  Overtime I came to appreciate tolerance. Tolerance is lovely, but it is not always easy to be tolerant.

 

I come from America where tolerance has all but disappeared.  It was a lovely experience for me to see Christian, Muslim, and Buddhists living side by side in peace on a daily basis in Udon. That was back in 2006- 2008. It is the same now? I am not sure.

 

[bipper]

Why do I even have an opinion on this? It's not my country not my religion I'm here as a guest at 2,900bt a year!!! Methinks the ones complaining are the same jackasses bitching about Hijabi "back home". Let the Thais sort it out it's their business.

[Menhir]

20 minutes ago, jingjai9 said:

I think one of the great things about Thailand is the tolerance. Here in Udon I used to live next to the local mosque and every morning about 04:30 there would be a call to prayer, loud and clear over the microphone. Then at 6:00 the local monks would pass by on my soi for alms and prayers and then at 6:30 my mother-in-law would come by to take my daughter to Christian school.

 

I was willing to put up with the loud call to prayer as the Thai neighbors tolerated the loud sounds coming from the mosque and I followed suit. Did I like it? No Did I get used to it? Yes.  Overtime I came to appreciate tolerance. Tolerance is lovely, but it is not always easy to be tolerant.

 

I come from America where tolerance has all but disappeared.  It was a lovely experience for me to see Christian, Muslim, and Buddhists living side by side in peace on a daily basis in Udon. That was back in 2006- 2008. It is the same now? I am not sure.

 

Yes, they've to be tolerant and respect the sleep and quietness of others. There are laws about noise pollution and they should respect the laws.

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, Menhir said:

Yes, they've to be tolerant and respect the sleep and quietness of others. There are laws about noise pollution and they should respect the laws.

The OP clearly states the mosque is in compliance with noise pollution parameters

[Dumbastheycome]

100 years  before they did not have  amplifiers. Allow them the traditional method ! The tedious climb to the to of the tower may be good for better contemplation of purpose !

[hotchilli]

It's the old way of continuing "indoctrination" the call goes out and the sheep will come to prayer... a way to keep a hold on the peasants or masses!

Similar to the Thai indoctrination of new-born babies taught to "wai" and go to the temple to make merit !

You will be a Buddhist like the rest of the 90% plus of the population.

Religion should be about choice & not forced !

 

As a Christian I was once given advice from an older man that you don't have to congregate to be seen by God and go to heaven.. loosely meaning if you don't make it to church on Sunday you won't be struck by lightening from heaven or have the door shut in your face when you die..

 

Religion is power and power is wealth.. many faiths are guilty of holding the reins of power over the people thus exploiting the real religion for personal gain !

[Menhir]

29 minutes ago, simple1 said:

The OP clearly states the mosque is in compliance with noise pollution parameters

It appears they are not. The OP states call for prayer is below 80 decibels. Hoewever, from 10pm to 6am, it seems no more than 10 decibels is allowed. See Pollution Control Department website of Thailand.

Edited October 8, 2018 by Menhir

[Incobart]

hip hip hooray,  IT EXIST 

muslim app pro reminds you the prayertimes, and other tools

youtube watch?v=KZrhh71bvlg

 

so no need to disturb the other people anymore.

[simple1]

20 minutes ago, Menhir said:

It appears they are not. The OP states call for prayer is below 80 decibels. However, from 10pm to 6am, it seems no more than 10 decibels is allowed. See Pollution Control Department website of Thailand.

Don't read Thai. However, 10 decibels is silence, office space should be around 60 decibels, average city street traffic noise approx 80 decibels, you cannot be correct.

 

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[holy cow cm]

Well that is 105 years too long already 

[kannot]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

He said he understood the complainant’s annoyance, but pointed out that other neighbours had long tolerated the amplified calls to prayer in the interest of mutually friendly co-existence.

 

“The mosque has been here for a long time, and long-time locals have never complained. They know that Muslims are being reminded of prayer times,” Sombat said. 

 

So understands but really doesnt want to, neighbours "tolerated" already says a lot, friendly co existence= total joke, the mosque  may have been there a  long  time but i bet it didnt have big ferk off speakers 100 years ago and was less densely populated and people probably didnt have to work night shifts, if your religion is so good  why do you have to remind your flock..................of brainless  sheep to come,

Religion, stupidity personified