scorecard Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, SheungWan said: Thaksin doesn't support a party. He IS the Party. He is the party / he owns the party / 'party' members are paid chair warmers and nothing more / 'party' members get their salary from the 'party' owner on the basis that they will say 'yes sir, jump how high sir' and never make a comment in parliamentary discussions, and vote without ethics 'AMNESTY' at 3.00 am in the morning when Thailand was asleep. But of course some will call this democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, scorecard said: He is the party / he owns the party / 'party' members are paid chair warmers and nothing more / 'party' members get their salary from the 'party' owner on the basis that they will say 'yes sir, jump how high sir' and never make a comment in parliamentary discussions, and vote without ethics 'AMNESTY' at 3.00 am in the morning when Thailand was asleep. But of course some will call this democracy. That will illegal according to new EC law. Wonder why the EC didn’t investigate. Oh by the way, the Dem MPs were told and asked to stay for the parliamentary vote, they refused to attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdy2206 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Thats one way for Mr. 44 to win. Nothing will be fair in this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 45 minutes ago, amdy2206 said: Thats one way for Mr. 44 to win. Nothing will be fair in this election. Some insiders are suggesting a major military/Amart counter move of some sort before year's end. So then - we're at square one......again. The repeated cycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Could be ..... ? Just about everybody currently living in Thailand , both locals and foreigners, know this is already a done deal. Has been since the coup. Come the rigged election, the plebs will be able to vote for anyone they like ( of those remaining ) but by coincidence , they will all be junta proxies. After this hollow victory , the winners will strut their stuff and ' hail and laud ' democracy as the best and fairest means of deciding things. Post election, the trough will be filled with the generous donations of the tax payer and anybody connected with the green people will flourish without fear of exposure. With a bit of luck it will all paid for by the Chinese government or Chinese tourists. If not....well who cares. Will be just too easy to suppress any trouble makers with good old lead poisoning or arrest and throw away the key tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 hours ago, scorecard said: He is the party / he owns the party / 'party' members are paid chair warmers and nothing more / 'party' members get their salary from the 'party' owner on the basis that they will say 'yes sir, jump how high sir' and never make a comment in parliamentary discussions, and vote without ethics 'AMNESTY' at 3.00 am in the morning when Thailand was asleep. But of course some will call this democracy. Would you call a coup democracy? Would you call an unelected PM who tells EVERYBODY what to do using S44 a democracy. Thaksin never got his amnesty. The members of the coup gave themselves an amnesty for all past, present and future acts. Would you call that a democracy? Thailand has had 19 military coups since 1932 (12 were successful). Would you call that a democracy? You keep banging the drum about Thaksin but are living in Thailand under a military government who don't even care about democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 9 hours ago, FritsSikkink said: Maybe Thaksin should try to keep out of politics for a change. I think the army staying out of politics might be a better idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 10 hours ago, FritsSikkink said: Maybe Thaksin should try to keep out of politics for a change. 57 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said: I think the army staying out of politics might be a better idea. No, not a better idea. Don't trust anybody pushing the second without the first option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 hours ago, yellowboat said: Sure, in a country where there is no due process and the courts are not independent of the political whims of those in power. You are just taking sides with no consideration of the Thai people's desires. If Thaksin is so powerful and the Thai people want him, then the junta and the yellows really need to do some really deep soul searching, because it speaks to their ineffectiveness. Did Thaksin become powerful because others are just far too stupid and delusional to compete with him? Why is he so powerful ? Never heard of people being paid to vote and demonstrate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 6 hours ago, FritsSikkink said: Never heard of people being paid to vote and demonstrate? Heard of alleged vote buying, but have not seen any proof, only rumors by people like yourself. No arrests were ever made. The army, on the other hand, has entitled itself to appoint MP's to maintain their control. Worse than vote buying? The less than nimble minded tinpot, who usurped power from the Thai people, is campaigning while gagging other parties. Worse than vote buying? According to VOA, Yingluck ran a clean campaign. Something the junta is not doing and cannot do if it wishes to win. Vote buying in the Thai press has been largely dispelled as non consequential. You can hold a whole country at gun point as it is now, but doubt you can buy a whole country as has been alleged. What the junta is doing "legally" is far worse than anything the Shinawatras have admitted to or been accused of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chama Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 2:05 AM, Thailand said: They are still the only real opposition to the Feb fix, sorry election, so simpler just to snuff them out now just in case they may actually win,highly unlikely but covers all the bases. Exactly why they are the target. With Big P's illusion of love dissolving its time to eliminate the competition. Victory at any cost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 cheers for a completely free and fair election. The government tells everybody Hip hip ................ then came the sound, the sound of silence, from all over the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 2:09 PM, connda said: Hopefully they do ban the Pheu Thai party. The blow-back from that action will be interesting to watch in the North and North-East as huge numbers of rural Thais are disenfranchised. Popular peasant uprising may not be so far away.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 8:11 AM, billd766 said: Would you call a coup democracy? Would you call an unelected PM who tells EVERYBODY what to do using S44 a democracy. Thaksin never got his amnesty. The members of the coup gave themselves an amnesty for all past, present and future acts. Would you call that a democracy? Thailand has had 19 military coups since 1932 (12 were successful). Would you call that a democracy? You keep banging the drum about Thaksin but are living in Thailand under a military government who don't even care about democracy. Yet, Thais still [and always have] largely are able to live their everyday lives as they see fit - free, independent, and self-sufficient - without supposed hard line interference. It's always been of this nature, regardless of placed government or ruling classes. A uniquely Thai paradox. Yet, many [mostly outsiders] go on and on and on about this and that has very little to do with real everyday goings on of Thai society. They'll anxiously confuse themselves by the simple manner of not understanding this enigmatic place. It's not of an Occidental connection, and shouldn't be pressed into being reinvented from a Farang perspective. Those that think they know much better, usual don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 5:35 PM, robblok said: Corruption total disregard for the law.. so yes Thaksin should be gone same as Suthep. These two do nothing but cause trouble. Also he is on the run.. if he can't come back to face justice why should he be allowed to run a party from a distance (besides that its now against the law as it should have been all along) Mute point, Thaksin can, is, will run what ever he likes from a distance - there is no way the junta or any restrictions put in place can stop it, unless all incoming outgoing communications are brought to a complete standstill, or every communication is monitored 24/7 - won't / can't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, zzaa09 said: Yet, Thais still [and always have] largely are able to live their everyday lives as they see fit - free, independent, and self-sufficient - without supposed hard line interference. It's always been of this nature, regardless of placed government or ruling classes. A uniquely Thai paradox. Yet, many [mostly outsiders] go on and on and on about this and that has very little to do with real everyday goings on of Thai society. They'll anxiously confuse themselves by the simple manner of not understanding this enigmatic place. It's not of an Occidental connection, and shouldn't be pressed into being reinvented from a Farang perspective. Those that think they know much better, usual don't. And you of course know better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, billd766 said: And you of course know better? Sure do..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, zzaa09 said: Sure do..... Might have to disagree. More people I run across are vocal about how dull and uninteresting life is under the junta. The moan about the double standards the junta allows. Concerned about the lack of visitors. My sense Thais are less happy since the bring happiness coup. Thais may not know why they are unhappy, but I feel the foul tempers in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. Less so in the rural parts. Just my observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 49 minutes ago, yellowboat said: Might have to disagree. More people I run across are vocal about how dull and uninteresting life is under the junta. The moan about the double standards the junta allows. Concerned about the lack of visitors. My sense Thais are less happy since the bring happiness coup. Thais may not know why they are unhappy, but I feel the foul tempers in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. Less so in the rural parts. Just my observation. Fair. Observations and perspectives will vary. I feel that Thais aren't any more or less happy than compared to any other time period. Certainly, they're conscious and have opinions of current events and whatnot....... Yet, I don't think the last four years has brought them down - as none of this s*it really effects their lives in real terms. An interesting reflection is to sit around and socialize with them and listen and involve oneself into said discussions. And don't be fooled - they certainly have fierce punditry towards this and that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, zzaa09 said: I feel that Thais aren't any more or less happy than compared to any other time period. Certainly, they're conscious and have opinions of current events and whatnot....... Yet, I don't think the last four years has brought them down - as none of this s*it really effects their lives in real terms. The average Thai has no idea what is going on around them, and is not interested in politics, so yes for them life hasn't changed under the junta. Talk with the minority, which is people who run a significant sized business, and you will find that they are not happy with the situation of the past 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 39 minutes ago, janclaes47 said: The average Thai has no idea what is going on around them, and is not interested in politics, so yes for them life hasn't changed under the junta. Talk with the minority, which is people who run a significant sized business, and you will find that they are not happy with the situation of the past 4 years. I'm guessing that your commentary above is based upon a limited circle. A learning tool of wider experience and exposure might open your eyes as to how things really are regarding Thais. Or not.....as you seemingly are already hardwired by a textbook stereotype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, zzaa09 said: I'm guessing that your commentary above is based upon a limited circle. A learning tool of wider experience and exposure might open your eyes as to how things really are regarding Thais. Or not.....as you seemingly are already hardwired by a textbook stereotype. Well I'm not gonna argue with you, but since you pretend to be the know it all here, it's not long any more before you knowledge will be proven or refuted. On 10/16/2018 at 8:47 PM, zzaa09 said: Some insiders are suggesting a major military/Amart counter move of some sort before year's end. So then - we're at square one......again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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