EU leaders prepare hardball Brexit summit choice for May

[welovesundaysatspace]

5 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

No it doesn't help you. It merely confirms that you are an international ideologue with little knowledge of the detail. If you believe that the financial "settlement" is settled, maybe you could share your knowledge with us. Because there are hundreds of professionals and politicians in Europe at present trying to figure this out, and there is no consensus at all.

 

If you've got the solution, email Raab-Barnier-May-Merkel etc etc.

Sure, keep believing that. We won’t find out who’s right as the U.K. will pay their obligations anyway. 

[bristolboy]

50 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Many people have used the example of a divorce.

Well, when you split you don't continue to pay for projects for which you no longer receive the benefits. Hope this helps you understand the situation.

 

Actually, when you split you receive a share of the assets. Civil servants are currently assessing how much the EU will owe the UK on 30th March 2019.

 

 

Actually, in divorces you often do pay for projects for which you no longer receive the benefits.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, oilinki said:

I don't have to. At least in English version it's already up to date. Not your average politician.

 

It says she read Geography, as does her own website. Is your real name Pike? 

[welovesundaysatspace]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It says she read Geography, as does her own website. Is your real name Pike? 

What Wikipedia are you using? Mine says she studied physics and was awarded a doctorate in quantum chemistry. 

Edited October 18, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[bristolboy]

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

A physicist? You'd better update Wiki!

Is this a wiki that only you can see?

Merkel was born in Hamburg in then-West Germany and moved to East Germany as an infant when her father, a Lutheran clergyman, received a pastorate in Perleberg. She obtained a doctorate in quantum chemistry in 1986 and worked as a research scientist until 1989

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel

And here's more from the official English version German website:

 

1973 - 1978	Studied Physics at Leipzig University
1978 - 1990	Member of the academic staff at the Central Institute of Physical Chemistry at the Academy of Sciences
1986	Awarded a doctorate

https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/bkin-en/angela-merkel/biography

 

Edited October 18, 2018 by bristolboy

[vogie]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Nonsense. Of course U.K. and EU could negotiate a Norway-style agreement if they want to. 

 

Even the the Norwegian PM doesn't think it is the right deal for the UK.

 

Supporters of a soft Brexit often cite a version of the “Norway model” — with close regulatory alignment with Brussels and membership of the single market — as a less economically damaging route out of the EU.

 

But during a POLITICO interview in Brussels Tuesday, Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg pointed out that it would mean Britain continuing to abide by the four EU freedoms, including freedom of movement, as well as having no decision-making power in Brussels. “Then I should just ask why … should you leave the EU if you’re accepting that?” she said

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/norwegian-pm-uk-cannot-cherry-pick-eu-membership/

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

Even the the Norwegian PM doesn't think it is the right deal for the UK.

 

Supporters of a soft Brexit often cite a version of the “Norway model” — with close regulatory alignment with Brussels and membership of the single market — as a less economically damaging route out of the EU.

 

But during a POLITICO interview in Brussels Tuesday, Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg pointed out that it would mean Britain continuing to abide by the four EU freedoms, including freedom of movement, as well as having no decision-making power in Brussels. “Then I should just ask why … should you leave the EU if you’re accepting that?” she said

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/norwegian-pm-uk-cannot-cherry-pick-eu-membership/

 

Doesn’t change the fact that the option is possible. 

[bristolboy]

13 minutes ago, vogie said:

Even the the Norwegian PM doesn't think it is the right deal for the UK.

 

Supporters of a soft Brexit often cite a version of the “Norway model” — with close regulatory alignment with Brussels and membership of the single market — as a less economically damaging route out of the EU.

 

But during a POLITICO interview in Brussels Tuesday, Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg pointed out that it would mean Britain continuing to abide by the four EU freedoms, including freedom of movement, as well as having no decision-making power in Brussels. “Then I should just ask why … should you leave the EU if you’re accepting that?” she said

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/norwegian-pm-uk-cannot-cherry-pick-eu-membership/

 

And yet, clearly the difference is important to Norway. Otherwise, why not join?

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And yet, clearly the difference is important to Norway. Otherwise, why not join?

You had better ask the Norwegian PM that and not me. Am I correct in thinking that Norway would like full membership to the EU, but their citizens keep voting no.

She also says what might be good for Norway is not necessary good for the UK, straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The problem is the EU always were going to offer what the wanted, take it or leave it, and never really negotiate.

 

All this crap about a soft brexit is just that, crap. The UK has to be either in or out and face the consequences either way. Expecting favors, special treatment, and honest ethical negotiations is naive at best.

Norway + would be ideal

 

I see nothing "crap" about it

 

Entirely pragmatic to take a step down even if it's a major step. No point taking the whole flight of stairs. Backwards, In a wheel chair -  The Norman Wisdom Brexit; Mr Grimsdale! MR GRIMSDALE!

Edited October 18, 2018 by Grouse

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

What Wikipedia are you using? Mine says she studied physics and was awarded a doctorate in quantum chemistry. 

When she was 13, May won a place at the former Holton Park Girls' Grammar School, a state school in Wheatley. During her time as a pupil, the Oxfordshire education system was reorganised and the school became the new Wheatley Park Comprehensive School.^[16][19]May later attended the University of Oxford where she read geography at St Hugh's College, graduating with a second class BA degree in 1977.^[20]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_May}

 

Theresa had a varied education spanning both the state and private sectors, and both grammar school and comprehensive school. She read Geography at St Hugh’s College, Oxford University. She started her career at the Bank of England and went on to hold posts at the Association for Payment Clearing Services (APACS) as Head of the European Affairs Unit and Senior Adviser on International Affairs.

 

http://www.tmay.co.uk/about

[Grouse]

27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

When she was 13, May won a place at the former Holton Park Girls' Grammar School, a state school in Wheatley. During her time as a pupil, the Oxfordshire education system was reorganised and the school became the new Wheatley Park Comprehensive School.^[16][19]May later attended the University of Oxford where she read geography at St Hugh's College, graduating with a second class BA degree in 1977.^[20]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_May}

 

Theresa had a varied education spanning both the state and private sectors, and both grammar school and comprehensive school. She read Geography at St Hugh’s College, Oxford University. She started her career at the Bank of England and went on to hold posts at the Association for Payment Clearing Services (APACS) as Head of the European Affairs Unit and Senior Adviser on International Affairs.

 

http://www.tmay.co.uk/about

Merkel finished high school in 1973. Later that year she went to Leipzig to study physics at Karl Marx University (now the University of Leipzig). There she met her first husband, fellow physics student Ulrich Merkel, and the two were married in 1977. After earning her diploma in 1978, she worked as a member of the academic faculty at the Central Institute of Physical Chemistry of the Academy of Sciences in East Berlin. In 1982 Merkel and her husband divorced, though she kept his last name. She was awarded a doctorate for her thesis on quantum chemistry in 1986.

 

So a real "pointy head" (polymath)!

 

"when you get you university you realize that psychology is really biology, biology is really chemistry, chemistry is really physics, physics is really math, and math is really hard."

 

OK enough offtopicness!

Edited October 18, 2018 by Grouse

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Merkel finished high school in 1973. Later that year she went to Leipzig to study physics at Karl Marx University (now the University of Leipzig). There she met her first husband, fellow physics student Ulrich Merkel, and the two were married in 1977. After earning her diploma in 1978, she worked as a member of the academic faculty at the Central Institute of Physical Chemistry of the Academy of Sciences in East Berlin. In 1982 Merkel and her husband divorced, though she kept his last name. She was awarded a doctorate for her thesis on quantum chemistry in 1986.

 

So a real "pointy head" (polymath)!

I was actually referring to May. As if you hadn't raised that you scamp! Her name is in the topic subject line, after all.

 

I have seen Merkel's CV, it is actually rather vague. But whatever her pointy educational achievements, she has recently proven herself to be (pointedly) quite mad.

[bristolboy]

55 minutes ago, nauseus said:

When she was 13, May won a place at the former Holton Park Girls' Grammar School, a state school in Wheatley. During her time as a pupil, the Oxfordshire education system was reorganised and the school became the new Wheatley Park Comprehensive School.^[16][19]May later attended the University of Oxford where she read geography at St Hugh's College, graduating with a second class BA degree in 1977.^[20]

 

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_May}

 

Theresa had a varied education spanning both the state and private sectors, and both grammar school and comprehensive school. She read Geography at St Hugh’s College, Oxford University. She started her career at the Bank of England and went on to hold posts at the Association for Payment Clearing Services (APACS) as Head of the European Affairs Unit and Senior Adviser on International Affairs.

 

http://www.tmay.co.uk/about

Now I understand. You are so enamored of Teresa May - and who is not - that even when the photo is of Angela Merkel all you can see is May's face. You should get a trusted friend to help you look again at the photo of the woman with the handbag.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Now I understand. You are so enamored of Teresa May - and who is not - that even when the photo is of Angela Merkel all you can see is May's face. You should get a trusted friend to help you look again at the photo of the woman with the handbag.

Well, they're both equally attractive!