Call to overturn ban on e-cigarettes in Thailand

[webfact]

Call to overturn ban on e-cigarettes in Thailand

Group calls for ban to be lifted and more regulations put in place as illegal market flourishes

By DUSITA MANEEMUANG 

 

While electronic cigarettes are banned in Thailand, debate continues about whether to legalize them so the government can regulate a market that has now gone underground.

 

The Ends Cigarette Smoke Thailand group, or ECST, has filed a request to the director of Law and Litigation Department in the Office of the Ombudsman Thailand, asking for the ban on e-cigarettes to be reconsidered. 

 

The devices were banned on December 12, 2014, by the Ministry of Commerce, which also banned shisha tobacco. According to the Office of the Consumer Protection Board, the sale of e-cigarettes is prohibited. Vendors and smokers can be fined 500,000 baht and put in jail for five years, while producers or importers could be fined one million baht and jailed for up to 10 years.

 

Full story: http://www.atimes.com/article/call-to-overturn-ban-on-e-cigarettes-in-thailand/

 

-- ASIA TIMES 2018-10-18

[geronimo]

probably put in place to aid the ailing Thai tobacco monopoly ......

[Snow Leopard]

I have no opinion either way on this. If it can help you get off the fags then all well and good. I tried it once but I didn't like it, made me cough really bad. The next problem though is how to stop vaping?

 

I see its quite popular now in the UK. Almost created another industry as an offshoot to the tobacco industry. Everyone going around in clouds of smoke like an old broken down dockyard shunting engine. 

 

I have just passed 3 months after quitting. So the next goal is 12 months I suppose. I will say this to anyone. If I can quit then you can. I made up a plan and followed it through. Changed the brand of ciggies for 6 months to a really low nicotine content brand. 0.01mg. I think this really helped. Then had 3 sessions of hypnosis. Now I use a little bit of nicotine replacement chewing gum but I can control the urge to have a ciggie. Even whilst having a drink. The driving is worst for me. I liked a ciggie whilst driving. 

[zzidenn]

My co-worker got arrested infront of our office for vaping..... seemed a bit over the top

[quandow]

The problem is these bastards are targeting kids. There are tens of thousands of flavors such as cotton candy and gummi bear, and the number of youth using these things is skyrocketing.

https://truthinitiative.org/news/e-cigarettes-facts-stats-and-regulations

[LazySlipper]

49 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

I have just passed 3 months after quitting. So the next goal is 12 months I suppose. I will say this to anyone. If I can quit then you can. I made up a plan and followed it through.

I smoked 3-4 packs a day so if I quit same same here.

But, I used CHAMPIX and it was almost instantaneous quit. Dangerous drug though. Had terrible mood swings. Over 6 years without a puff now.

[Snow Leopard]

19 minutes ago, LazySlipper said:

I smoked 3-4 packs a day so if I quit same same here.

But, I used CHAMPIX and it was almost instantaneous quit. Dangerous drug though. Had terrible mood swings. Over 6 years without a puff now.

I tried Champix as well a few years ago. I didn't feel good taking it. All kinds of feelings. I do know that it works for many though. 

[hobobo]

17 minutes ago, LazySlipper said:

I smoked 3-4 packs a day so if I quit same same here.

But, I used CHAMPIX and it was almost instantaneous quit. Dangerous drug though. Had terrible mood swings. Over 6 years without a puff now.

I smoked 60 a day. Considered, but not resorted to, vaping, Nicorette gum, skin patches, hypnotherapy, acupuncture, black magic, dream analysis therapy... Finally opted for willpower. Just passed the 4-year mark, and thankfully no side-effects (yet).

[Berkshire]

28 minutes ago, quandow said:

The problem is these bastards are targeting kids. There are tens of thousands of flavors such as cotton candy and gummi bear, and the number of youth using these things is skyrocketing.

https://truthinitiative.org/news/e-cigarettes-facts-stats-and-regulations

Yeah, but isn't it better if these kids get hooked on e-cigs, as opposed to real cigs?  Pretty much everyone agrees that e-cigs are far safer than regular cigs.  Just saying....

[Snow Leopard]

40 minutes ago, quandow said:

The problem is these bastards are targeting kids. There are tens of thousands of flavors such as cotton candy and gummi bear, and the number of youth using these things is skyrocketing.

https://truthinitiative.org/news/e-cigarettes-facts-stats-and-regulations

I saw that the other day on the UK news. How low can you go and immoral can you get? Jesus. 

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, zzidenn said:

My co-worker got arrested infront of our office for vaping..... seemed a bit over the top

Duh, its against the law, what did your co worker expect to happen? 

[BestB]

35 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Yeah, but isn't it better if these kids get hooked on e-cigs, as opposed to real cigs?  Pretty much everyone agrees that e-cigs are far safer than regular cigs.  Just saying....

A lot of ejuice is nicotine free. So addiction not really there, more of a fashion thing. 

 

I am an an ex smoker turned vaper, all my juice is nicotine free. 

 

No probkem not to vape, but I love the feeling .

[giddyup]

2 hours ago, Snow Leopard said:

I have no opinion either way on this. If it can help you get off the fags then all well and good. I tried it once but I didn't like it, made me cough really bad. The next problem though is how to stop vaping?

 

I see its quite popular now in the UK. Almost created another industry as an offshoot to the tobacco industry. Everyone going around in clouds of smoke like an old broken down dockyard shunting engine. 

 

I have just passed 3 months after quitting. So the next goal is 12 months I suppose. I will say this to anyone. If I can quit then you can. I made up a plan and followed it through. Changed the brand of ciggies for 6 months to a really low nicotine content brand. 0.01mg. I think this really helped. Then had 3 sessions of hypnosis. Now I use a little bit of nicotine replacement chewing gum but I can control the urge to have a ciggie. Even whilst having a drink. The driving is worst for me. I liked a ciggie whilst driving. 

I have already passed the 5 year mark without a cigarette, and can tell you as long as you use any kind of substitute like nicotine gum you haven't truly quit. I quit cold turkey after many failed attempts with gum, patches etc. IMO it's the only way. 

[Snow Leopard]

4 minutes ago, giddyup said:

I have already passed the 5 year mark without a cigarette, and can tell you as long as you use any kind of substitute like nicotine gum you haven't truly quit. I quit cold turkey after many failed attempts with gum, patches etc. IMO it's the only way. 

Thanks and I get your point. Just reducing slowly. 

[HHTel]

When some countries are legalising recreational marijuana and even Thailand is considering limited legalisation of the same, it does seem quite stupid that vaping is illegal and carries stiff punishment if caught.

 

TIT 

[CGW]

The folks selling "vaping" as a "safe" alternative to smoking are driven by money! - obviously.

Is inhaling huge amounts of a classified food additive safe for burning and inhaling, not convinced it is! ????

In another few years what will they be saying about it, not that long back smoking tobacco was considered safe also!

 

[Lupatria]

It's all about money! Meanwhile at the other front:

[CGW]

22 minutes ago, disambiguated said:

Pure ignorance.

Really! 

 

 

 

[mommysboy]

5 hours ago, Snow Leopard said:

I have no opinion either way on this. If it can help you get off the fags then all well and good. I tried it once but I didn't like it, made me cough really bad. The next problem though is how to stop vaping?

 

I see its quite popular now in the UK. Almost created another industry as an offshoot to the tobacco industry. Everyone going around in clouds of smoke like an old broken down dockyard shunting engine. 

 

I have just passed 3 months after quitting. So the next goal is 12 months I suppose. I will say this to anyone. If I can quit then you can. I made up a plan and followed it through. Changed the brand of ciggies for 6 months to a really low nicotine content brand. 0.01mg. I think this really helped. Then had 3 sessions of hypnosis. Now I use a little bit of nicotine replacement chewing gum but I can control the urge to have a ciggie. Even whilst having a drink. The driving is worst for me. I liked a ciggie whilst driving. 

'I have no opinion either way on this.'  Should've stopped there then!

 

I want to vape. Why would vaping need to be stopped?

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

A lot of ejuice is nicotine free. So addiction not really there, more of a fashion thing. 

 

I am an an ex smoker turned vaper, all my juice is nicotine free. 

 

No probkem not to vape, but I love the feeling .

The company in question was using a strong blend of nicotine.

[mommysboy]

1 minute ago, disambiguated said:

Yes, really.

Not really. 

[mommysboy]

24 minutes ago, disambiguated said:

You have no understanding of this topic.  You're not a smoker, and you're not a vaper, and you've never been either.

 

Your ignorance on this topic is infinite.

I was a smoker for over 30 years.

 

I have vaped.

 

I have researched the subject and primarily take my guidance on safety from National Health England, and UK cancer research.  

 

Vaping is fine, but what Juul has been doing isn't.

[CGW]

34 minutes ago, disambiguated said:

Yes, really.

Have a cigarette and just chill out ???? 

[connda]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

While electronic cigarettes are banned in Thailand, debate continues about whether to legalize them so the government can regulate a market that has now gone underground.

Now, someone with a brain has seen the ฿฿฿฿฿ money making opportunity that is being missed out on by Thai companies in the nicotine addiction market.  Legalize addiction is a money-maker and then some.  Thai nicotine addiction companies must now be developing their own 'vaping' nicotine addiction delivery system, hence the change of heart by those in government whom they control.  At the moment they are losing market share, so it's well past time to get in the game. 

[BestB]

2 hours ago, connda said:

Now, someone with a brain has seen the ฿฿฿฿฿ money making opportunity that is being missed out on by Thai companies in the nicotine addiction market.  Legalize addiction is a money-maker and then some.  Thai nicotine addiction companies must now be developing their own 'vaping' nicotine addiction delivery system, hence the change of heart by those in government whom they control.  At the moment they are losing market share, so it's well past time to get in the game. 

Again a lot of ejuice is nicotine free, nothing to do with addiction.

 

it is a huge market turning billions of dollars not only in ejuice but equipment as well.

 

there local Facebook groups with over 150000 users and very active.

 

even simple VAT would make government trillions in revenue.

 

shisha was huge money maker for all the clubs. Was not the smokers who puffed on it but non smokers. No one got addicted or turned into a smoker because of it. Vaping is the same .

 

PS. Nicotine free or with nicotine , juice taste the same. I always thought my juice had nicotine , until one day I read bottle marking is when I realised I have been vaping nicotine free juice 

[mommysboy]

2 hours ago, disambiguated said:

I don't believe you.

 

And Juul <> all electronic cigarettes.

Well don't believe me then.

 

Juul are the company primarily accused of marketing their products to schoolchildren in the USA. 

 

Vaping is great otherwise.

[stanleycoin]

2 hours ago, BestB said:

shisha was huge money maker for all the clubs. Was not the smokers who puffed on it but non smokers. No one got addicted or turned into a smoker because of it. Vaping is the same .

Can you prove that statement to be true  ?

[mommysboy]

19 minutes ago, stanleycoin said:

Can you prove that statement to be true  ?

We are just left with anecdotes. I can only say that while I know smokers who have moved to vaping, I have never experienced the reverse, and so don't think it is a credible argument.  Certainly it has been researched in UK, but I think USA has different beliefs.

 

I understand the logic in thinking that people move from soft to hard drugs, but do all beer drinkers become whisky drinkers?

 

I think the problem with USA teenagers is that there is a possibility that they are becoming hooked on an alternative nicotine addict (albeit one that is not nearly so harmful)

 

I also believe that if someone is a smoker they are a smoker!

 

UK Health authorities believe vaping will save millions of lives.

 

 

[BestB]

1 hour ago, stanleycoin said:

Can you prove that statement to be true  ?

Do I need or have to? 

[Catkiwi]

15 hours ago, Snow Leopard said:

I have no opinion either way on this. If it can help you get off the fags then all well and good. I tried it once but I didn't like it, made me cough really bad. The next problem though is how to stop vaping?

 

I see its quite popular now in the UK. Almost created another industry as an offshoot to the tobacco industry. Everyone going around in clouds of smoke like an old broken down dockyard shunting engine. 

 

I have just passed 3 months after quitting. So the next goal is 12 months I suppose. I will say this to anyone. If I can quit then you can. I made up a plan and followed it through. Changed the brand of ciggies for 6 months to a really low nicotine content brand. 0.01mg. I think this really helped. Then had 3 sessions of hypnosis. Now I use a little bit of nicotine replacement chewing gum but I can control the urge to have a ciggie. Even whilst having a drink. The driving is worst for me. I liked a ciggie whilst driving. 

Mate, I feel for you and also proud that you have stayed strong. I quit 7 years ago, had a devil's own job of giving up when having a beer with Mates but hung in there and it doesn't even cross my mind now. Stay strong Bro!!!!!

 

13 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Yeah, but isn't it better if these kids get hooked on e-cigs, as opposed to real cigs?  Pretty much everyone agrees that e-cigs are far safer than regular cigs.  Just saying....

Yeah maybe but dunno enough research, trials etc. have been done to prove level of harm. Maybe they have but I haven't seen any results