EU cannot accept temporary measure on Irish border - French minister

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EU cannot accept temporary measure on Irish border - French minister

 

Nathalie Loiseau, French Minister attached to the Foreign Affairs Minister, attends the questions to the government session at the National Assembly in Paris, June 13, 2018. REUTERS/Benoit Tessier

 

LONDON (Reuters) - The European Union will not accept a temporary measure to solve the issue of the Irish border in Brexit negotiations, France's Europe minister Nathalie Loiseau said on Sunday.

 

Britain has said it could accept a longer post-Brexit transition period if the EU drops its proposals for the Irish backstop - an insurance policy to ensure there will be no return to a hard border on the island of Ireland. Britain has said any such extension must be time-limited.

 

"We have to have a definitive answer or at least no temporary measures which disappear and we don't know what to do after that," Loiseau told BBC TV.

 

"This is something that has to be fixed by London ... We are waiting for a workable solution coming from London."

 

(Reporting by Kylie MacLellan; editing by John Stonestreet)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-10-22

[Esso49]

Come on Teresa, show those buggers what you are made of !    Resign now, you have done enough damage already before you give in again.

 

Pity you didn't have the same principles of Winston Churchill  - "We shall Never Surrender", rather than give in to everything

[Topdoc]

The solution is easy. Simply have a vote to see whether the majority in Northern Ireland would prefer to join the Republic of Ireland and take it from there.

[anterian]

1.8 million in Northern Ireland, a quarter of London's population, yet it seems their intransigence is dictating UK policy. What is the problem with a custom's border, are we to believe that the Irish peoples are such savages that it will lead to bloodshed, if this were so perhaps we are best shot of them. In reality this is a created problem by the EU, with the gleeful help of the Republican PM, to use as a means to blackmail the rest of the UK.  Shameful tactics but to be expected from those concerned. 

[PaddyDaddy]

2 hours ago, anterian said:

1.8 million in Northern Ireland, a quarter of London's population, yet it seems their intransigence is dictating UK policy. What is the problem with a custom's border, are we to believe that the Irish peoples are such savages that it will lead to bloodshed, if this were so perhaps we are best shot of them. In reality this is a created problem by the EU, with the gleeful help of the Republican PM, to use as a means to blackmail the rest of the UK.  Shameful tactics but to be expected from those concerned. 

Just give Ireland back to the Irish. Problem solved

[Emdog]

4 hours ago, Esso49 said:

Come on Teresa, show those buggers what you are made of !    Resign now, you have done enough damage already before you give in again.

 

Pity you didn't have the same principles of Winston Churchill  - "We shall Never Surrender", rather than give in to everything

May fairly safe I would think... conservatives want to hang blame around her neck and then throw her out after the whole exit goes down it's inevitable path to at least partial ruin. No one could make a silk purse out of Brexit.

Regarding Churchill: do remember he didn't start that war, unlike this Brexit thing.

[fvw53]

2 hours ago, anterian said:

1.8 million in Northern Ireland, a quarter of London's population, yet it seems their intransigence is dictating UK policy. What is the problem with a custom's border, are we to believe that the Irish peoples are such savages that it will lead to bloodshed, if this were so perhaps we are best shot of them. In reality this is a created problem by the EU, with the gleeful help of the Republican PM, to use as a means to blackmail the rest of the UK.  Shameful tactics but to be expected from those concerned. 

" problem created by the EU"?    You seem to suggest that the EU asked for a "divorce" rather than the UK...

[generealty]

Top Dog - I think the people in the South should also be consulted as my Irish friends are adamant that they do not want the North.

[dick dasterdly]

There's no reason for any 'backstop' - other than politician in both the uk and eu desperately trying to come up with reasons to stop/delay brexit.

[dick dasterdly]

27 minutes ago, PaddyDaddy said:

Just give Ireland back to the Irish. Problem solved

I'm inclined to agree - even though I'm English.

 

North and South of the Irish 'border' have been nothing other than a nightmare for decades.  Things have calmed down recently, but IIRC, N. Ireland voted to remain within the eu - so they should be happy if they remained within the eu with their southern 'brothers'.

[dick dasterdly]

28 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I'm inclined to agree - even though I'm English.

 

North and South of the Irish 'border' have been nothing other than a nightmare for decades.  Things have calmed down recently, but IIRC, N. Ireland voted to remain within the eu - so they should be happy if they remained within the eu with their southern 'brothers'.

And hopefully will be given a vote on whether to remain part of the uk  (once it's left the eu...????) -or join S. Ireland.

Edited October 22, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[flossie35]

35 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

There's no reason for any 'backstop' - other than politician in both the uk and eu desperately trying to come up with reasons to stop/delay brexit.

The EU have made it clear from the start that there can be no customs border between Ireland and the UK. There are lots of very good reasons for this. The backstop is a bit of dodgy camouflage invented by the UK side, pretending that some technology will be discovered to make a border unnecessary. This is highly improbable. The backstop cannot have a terminal date because otherwise on reaching that date, in the absence of the fictitious technology, you'd need to set up a border. It has been clear from the outset that the only solution to this problem is for us to remain in the single market. (Or have a customs border down the Irish Sea; but that won't work either.)

[ukrules]

4 hours ago, Topdoc said:

The solution is easy. Simply have a vote to see whether the majority in Northern Ireland would prefer to join the Republic of Ireland and take it from there.

What makes you think the south would want any part of this ? How much money does NI cost every year ?

[ukrules]

59 minutes ago, generealty said:

Top Dog - I think the people in the South should also be consulted as my Irish friends are adamant that they do not want the North.

Exactly

[nabbie]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

I'm inclined to agree - even though I'm English.

 

North and South of the Irish 'border' have been nothing other than a nightmare for decades.  Things have calmed down recently, but IIRC, N. Ireland voted to remain within the eu - so they should be happy if they remained within the eu with their southern 'brothers'.

Next Scotland will most likely to leave UK very soon in order to join EU. So the England passport will be from EU to UK, UK to GB, GB to England (& Wales?).  

[mfd101]

The Republic of I seems to have been doing very well for itself over the last 3 or 4 decades - economically & culturally, advancing robustly into the C21st - no doubt aided by EU funds.

 

Would be hard to say the same of the Ulsterpersons and their antiquated obsessions.

[Topdoc]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

What makes you think the south would want any part of this ? How much money does NI cost every year ?

According to a fairly recent poll, a LARGE majority of people in the Republic would back a united Ireland.

Pollster Red C found that 65 per cent would vote in favour, a rise from a similar survey conducted six years ago that showed support at 57 per cent.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2016/07/29/news/two-thirds-of-people-in-republic-would-vote-for-united-ireland--628580/

And with Brexit looming, the number could easily be higher than 65% today.

 

[dick dasterdly]

50 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

The Republic of I seems to have been doing very well for itself over the last 3 or 4 decades - economically & culturally, advancing robustly into the C21st - no doubt aided by EU funds.

 

Would be hard to say the same of the Ulsterpersons and their antiquated obsessions.

Good for them.

 

They now only have to convince N. Ireland that they will prosper as part of a united Ireland.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

What makes you think the south would want any part of this ? How much money does NI cost every year ?

And that's one of the questions.

 

Do the southern politicians want the north back?

 

Having voted to remain within the eu - surely N. Irish would agree they should join S. Ireland ????.

[Bluespunk]

7 hours ago, Topdoc said:

The solution is easy. Simply have a vote to see whether the majority in Northern Ireland would prefer to join the Republic of Ireland and take it from there.

Any vote on the future of Ireland should involve the whole of Ireland. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Bluespunk

[Esso49]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Any vote on the future of Ireland should involve the whole of Ireland. 

Goodness if comments like this keep coming up regarding the North and South of Ireland someone is going to start an IRA thread soon

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

Goodness if comments like this keep coming up regarding the North and South of Ireland someone is going to start an IRA thread soon

Why?  

 

The IRA agreed to disarm as part of the negotiations that led to the Good Friday Agreement. 

 

The ex members have committed to peaceful reunification...

Edited October 22, 2018 by Bluespunk

[damascase]

2 hours ago, flossie35 said:

The EU have made it clear from the start that there can be no customs border between Ireland and the UK. There are lots of very good reasons for this. The backstop is a bit of dodgy camouflage invented by the UK side, pretending that some technology will be discovered to make a border unnecessary. This is highly improbable. The backstop cannot have a terminal date because otherwise on reaching that date, in the absence of the fictitious technology, you'd need to set up a border. It has been clear from the outset that the only solution to this problem is for us to remain in the single market. (Or have a customs border down the Irish Sea; but that won't work either.)

If I’m not mistaken, as far as the EU is concerned there has to be a Customs border after Brexit between The Republic and Northern Ireland if the UK does not come up with a solution to avoid this. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by damascase

[Sir Dude]

EU cannot accept anything other than a total submission to its will. Can't believe the UK is even still talking to these dictators. As for Scotland, yeah, let's be independent and then submit to a different master that is even less good at listening to you than the current partner and arrangement that has worked for centuries. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Sir Dude

[damascase]

3 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

EU cannot accept anything other than a total submission to its will. Can't believe the UK is even still talking to these dictators. As for Scotland, yeah, let's be independent and then submit to a different master that is even less good at listening to you than the current partner and arrangement that has worked for centuries. 

Well, the EU has Customs borders. When the UK leaves, that automatically creates a border between them and the EU. What does that have to do with ‘submission to its will’? It is a legal consequence. The UK opted for Brexit, the EU didn’t impose it. Or are you just looking for a scapegoat for the shambles the Goverment has put you in?

[janclaes47]

3 hours ago, generealty said:

Top Dog - I think the people in the South should also be consulted as my Irish friends are adamant that they do not want the North.

 

I have such a feeling that your Irish friends are actually politicians

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, nabbie said:

Next Scotland will most likely to leave UK very soon in order to join EU. So the England passport will be from EU to UK, UK to GB, GB to England (& Wales?).  

Maybe rUK should be called Wangland?

[KiChakayan]

52 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Maybe rUK should be called Wangland?

Wankland ??? ????

[Scott]

Troll post and reply removed.  

 

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, PaddyDaddy said:

Just give Ireland back to the Irish. Problem solved

 

Only the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to be British not Irish.