SURVEY: USA -- Headed in the right or wrong direction?

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Just now, billsmart said:

My favorite TV channel! ????

Then you are not aware of what is really going on at all. 

[billsmart]

2 minutes ago, cooked said:

Then you are not aware of what is really going on at all. 

Where do you get your news of the world, especially of that in the US?

[patsfangr]

The fact that Americans rejected socialism by electing a President who truly wants to put AMERICA FIRST is proof that the country is headed in the right direction. President Trump is leading America to precisely what Samui Bodah described. 

6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

When the US is feeling good, confident and proud (as it should), it has sooo much to offer and the world needs that good old American 'can do' spirit again.

So many of the posters here have no idea about what is happening in America. They get their information from the extremely left wing American media; which uses a combination of lies, exaggerations, and biased speculation to hide the truth. The FACT is that the American economy is reversing the path to disaster that Obama's socialism had created. The unemployment rate is nearing an all time low, and that INCLUDES black Americans! Businesses are returning manufacturing plants from foreign countries. Taxes are lower, giving all Americans more money to improve their quality of life. And for the fool who said that "the rich pay no taxes", do a little research. The top 10% of income earners in the USA pay 75% of the taxes! Stop reading the lies from people like Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and the rest of the George Soros funded Democrats. America is doing MUCH better than it ever did under Barack Obama, the man who truly divided the country and incited the discontent and violence that grew during his 8 disastrous years in office. If the country can keep its borders secure, and prevent the invasion that the Democrats want, the REAL Americans will see improvement continue under its modified capitalist economy, with real opportunity for ALL  citizens continuing to rise. America will continue to be the bright shining light in the darkness that threatens to destroy the world. 

[CptnAhab]

I'm very happy to see, that at least about two thirds of the thaivisa members seem to realize the problems this "biggest Potus of all times" is bringing to the US and the rest of the world. Thank you all!

Hopefully voters will think the same! 

[Bundooman]

3 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Trump's in charge so right direction

So you're one of the 35% quoted in post #5 above then.

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3 minutes ago, billsmart said:

Where do you get your news of the world, especially of that in the US?

Not from MSM although I watch Tucker Carlson sometimes. I don't watch conspiracy theories on Youtube either.

The Duran

Qanon

Storm upon us

and a few more that generally are referred to in certain circles as Fascist White privilege posters. I learn a lot on Twitter also and don't just subscribe to people that agree with me. 

 

[Bundooman]

3 hours ago, bubba45 said:

Corporate tax reform was way overdue, that's a very good thing for the economy. The economy is booming with lowest unemployment in decades.  Renegotiation of trade deals is also something that was ignored by all other presidents, it's about time the field is balanced.  People living off the food stamp program is way down, good news for the taxpayer.  Because the economy is booming, the Fed is raising interest rates back to a more normal rate, giving people some interest on savings.  The economy was so bad before they had to keep rates near zero to keep the economy afloat.  Market is waaaay up, making everyone's retirement account and 401ks much better than before.  I could go on....not sure what the naysayers want.  Maybe they are looking at the wrong news sources.

 There will always be problems.  But things have certainly taken a turn for the much better in many ways.  And these same naysayers are enjoying the economic benefits that have come about since November '16.  Just saying.....  

The benefits of the economy you are brazenly quoting are the results of the Obama Administration old boy. Everyone else in the world knows that.....except yo and your fellow Republicans. 

Regards,

A non-American TV poster!

 

[billsmart]

3 minutes ago, cooked said:

Not from MSM although I watch Tucker Carlson sometimes. I don't watch conspiracy theories on Youtube either.

The Duran

Qanon

Storm upon us

and a few more that generally are referred to in certain circles as Fascist White privilege posters. I learn a lot on Twitter also and don't just subscribe to people that agree with me. 

 

I'm pretty much an exclusive CNN guy.

I would be referred to in certain circles as a far-left, hippie, socialist, libtard, snowflake. ????

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1 minute ago, billsmart said:

I'm pretty much an exclusive CNN guy.

I would be referred to in certain circles as a far-left, hippie, socialist, libtard, snowflake. ????

Then beyond redemption amen

[abrahamzvi]

2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Your use of all those tired old lift-down-and-dust labels to discredit your fellow Americans who happen not to share your political allegiance speaks more for your intolerance than theirs.

 

Unfortunately, it appears that on both sides of the political fence there are bigots aplenty - their dogmatism reinforced in the partisan echo chambers of social media - whose idea of civil discourse is to hurl insults, fists or both.

 

The need for constructive, honest dialogue between increasingly polarised political factions has never been greater - not only in the fractured and fractious US, but also in Britain, divided rather than united by the the Brexit decision, and European nations split over how to deal with the negative fall-out from mass migration. 

 

If disastrous civil strife on both sides of the Pond is to be avoided, political leaders need to reach out to one another and practice the inclusivity they constantly preach by being honest and open with their increasingly alienated and contemptuously-treated electorates. The alternative scenario, a few years down the line, is too horrendous to contemplate.

You are right. The USA need a leader like the late Jon McCain, God bless his soul.

[Monomial]

It is worthwhile to step back and take a nonbiased view of the US in order to understand what direction they will go in the upcoming election. Whether this is the right direction or not is a value choice, and will vary by individual so there is little point in asking the question other than to start a flame war.

 

The truth is, those people who voted for Trump in 2016 are unlikely to change their minds based on the current economy. Whoever was responsible, things do appear to be getting better in the immediate term, and that motivates people to stay the course. So there is little chance of the Republicans losing the Senate.

 

As for the house which is tighter, do keep in mind how wrong the polls were in 2016. This is a result of individuals secretly wanting to support Trump, but not wanting to do so publicly. With the current vitriol spewed these days calling all Trump supporters racist and evil, it is unlikely this polling bias has changed. So I would think it is likely that Republicans will keep the house as well.

 

Is this the "right" direction? Who knows. It is the prevailing direction though, and I don't see the winds changing during this election. Maybe in 2020. It usually takes about 2 years after oil starts rising to precipitate a collapse, so my bet would be to sit tight.

 

[Kurtf]

3 hours ago, billsmart said:

The rise of the alt-right (the "Deplorables") and the election of Trump is now and will continue to be a disaster for the US, my country, even long after he has left office. The sooner that happens, however, the better. But even then, we (reasonable US citizens) still have to figure out how to live with the knowledge that at least 35% of our fellow citizens are either intolerant bullies, racists, sexists, xenophobes, homophobes, Islamophobes, neo-fascists, and/or nationalists. ????

I couldn’t disagree with you more. The reason America is in the shape it is, is a direct result of the progressives bastardisation of the founders principles upon which America was created. A steady decline starting in the 40’s when the progressives started spewing the “Big Lies” turning the truth on its head. 

[Kurtf]

10 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

You are right. The USA need a leader like the late Jon McCain, God bless his soul.

And may he rot in hell.

[CptnAhab]

1 minute ago, Kurtf said:

And may he rot in hell.

No comment needed...  This mindset proves everything!

[Brunolem]

44 minutes ago, billsmart said:

I don't understand your last remark. Are you suggesting that Europe should not try to cope with their problems because they seem "unmanageable?"

By Europe, I mean the EU, and its problems are not manageable because it is the cause of said problems!

[abrahamzvi]

6 minutes ago, Kurtf said:

And may he rot in hell.

Why do you say that? That is the language that is leading the USA to a disaster.

[Russell17au]

This is a link to a new threat to the American people by the Trump administration.
http://bit.ly/2q995tN

This is the first paragraph of the above link:

GENEVA — No international letters, no international packages: A top official with a 192-country postal union says that’s what Americans can expect if the Trump administration goes through with plans to pull out of an international postal treaty over concerns about China.

If America pull out of this 144 year treaty then it will mean that every American living abroad will have no access to have their banking transferred to another country and there will be no mail or parcels in or out of America. If you passport expires while you live overseas you will not be able to renew it and have it posted to you. You will not be able to get your tax or social security documents posted to you. You will be isolated by your own country because you made the choice of living overseas.

This type of thing has to be stopped for the sake of the American people.

[petey123]

Sadly the U.S. is increasingly the arrogant bully on the world stage.    Because the average citizen is uninformed/uninterested in world affairs, he/she is vulnerable to manipulation by media and politicians who pursue their own selfish ends and fail to serve the public good:   e.g., most Americans believe that that the Iraq war was justified, that the killing of tens of thousands of innocent Yemenis is justified, that the mayhem, death and destruction unleashed in libya and Syria has been worthwhile.    The U.S. foreign policy is neocon dominated and is focused on two fundamentals, one, undermining any country that does not bow to American dictates and, two, unconditional support for the jewish state despite its heinous behavior.  

[billsmart]

9 minutes ago, Kurtf said:

I couldn’t disagree with you more. The reason America is in the shape it is, is a direct result of the progressives bastardisation of the founders principles upon which America was created. A steady decline starting in the 40’s when the progressives started spewing the “Big Lies” turning the truth on its head. 

I couldn't disagree with you more. The US constantly needs to reexamine our founder's principles in the light of current situations, many of which were completely unknown to them. They were, also, all privileged White men living in a patriarchal society. Things have changed a lot since then, in spite of what Trump and his supporters want to think. Our founding fathers got us started in the right, general direction, but it is up to us to continue to steer the ship to try and avoid the hidden reefs of which they were unaware. 

[abrahamzvi]

20 minutes ago, Monomial said:

It is worthwhile to step back and take a nonbiased view of the US in order to understand what direction they will go in the upcoming election. Whether this is the right direction or not is a value choice, and will vary by individual so there is little point in asking the question other than to start a flame war.

 

The truth is, those people who voted for Trump in 2016 are unlikely to change their minds based on the current economy. Whoever was responsible, things do appear to be getting better in the immediate term, and that motivates people to stay the course. So there is little chance of the Republicans losing the Senate.

 

As for the house which is tighter, do keep in mind how wrong the polls were in 2016. This is a result of individuals secretly wanting to support Trump, but not wanting to do so publicly. With the current vitriol spewed these days calling all Trump supporters racist and evil, it is unlikely this polling bias has changed. So I would think it is likely that Republicans will keep the house as well.

 

Is this the "right" direction? Who knows. It is the prevailing direction though, and I don't see the winds changing during this election. Maybe in 2020. It usually takes about 2 years after oil starts rising to precipitate a collapse, so my bet would be to sit tight.

 

I think and hope that the events of the last few days will change the attitude of the more moderate Republicans and with the women's vote will bring a real blue wave. This may change the USA and possibly the whole western world, i.e. will bring it away from the brink of a total disaster!

[patsfangr]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There are almost no republicans left, dude. The republican party has been transformed into the "trump" party. The party of a sick divisive demagogue. I get it. A big joy for the "trump" fans is bullying and taunting their opponents just as their bizarrely un-democratic (press is the enemy of people president, that is authoritarian dictator rhetoric) dear leader does. He's the first president that took the phrase BULLY PULPIT totally literally. He's a bully with the "soul" of a far right wing white nationalist. 

You're SO wrong, JT. I was, for most of my adult life, what people used to call a "moderate Republican". I'm fiscally conservative. I believe in small federal government, as defined within the US Constitution, which I fully support, including all of the freedoms granted within the Bill of Rights. I support the US military, and, on the overall level, all law enforcement organizations. (The caveat there being that those who violate the trust place in them, and there will always be some, should be severely punished for that violation.) Socially, though it is NO BUSINESS of the federal government, I am "pro choice" on abortion; so the "right wing" label goes out the window there. I proudly proclaim myself to be a nationalist, since I believe the the USA, though definitely not perfect, is the greatest nation in the history of the world. Apparently, based upon the constant attempted emigration to the USA, both legally and illegally, most of the world agrees with me on that last point. ... As for President Trump, I have never liked the man as an individual; but I totally support his agenda. It is, for the most part, my agenda. His methods sometimes make me cringe. But those methods have been successful in motivating and mobilizing the Republican "silent majority" to go to the polls and prevent the socialist takeover of the USA by the George Soros funded Democrats and brainwashed young "cultists" of today. I, like millions of others, voted AGAINST Hillary (and Soros), and FOR the agenda presented by Donald Trump. Based upon what has happened over the first year and 10 months of his administration, I would certainly repeat that vote if the election were repeated today. So please, forget about Donald Trump's personality. He is pushing the agenda that America needs. And using FACTUAL DATA, there is nothing therein that is damaging America. Quite to the contrary. 

[Brunolem]

31 minutes ago, CptnAhab said:

 this "biggest Potus of all times" is bringing to the US and the rest of the world. 

As Jim Kunstler puts it, Trump, a.k.a. the Golden Golem of Greatest, is the grossest white male that ever walked the Earth!

 

Yet, Trump is only one more autocrat to lead a major country, beside Putin and Xi, not to mention the smaller ones such as Orban, Duterte and the likes...all duly elected by the way (save Xi).

 

Do the voters feel some nostalgia about the 1930s, or is there a profound reason pushing them to vote for such leaders?

 

Do the same causes lead to the same effects?

[billsmart]

10 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

By Europe, I mean the EU, and its problems are not manageable because it is the cause of said problems!

I assumed you meant the EU. It has problems, sure. All countries do. The UK and the US does. The whole reasoning behind a union is to band together to try to help solve, or at least ameliorate, the inevitable problems. Going it alone in the world today, like the UK and Trump advocates, is, IMO, just not an acceptable goal.

[abrahamzvi]

53 minutes ago, cooked said:

Stop watching MSNBC

...and watch only Fox News......

[Pedrogaz]

1 hour ago, billsmart said:

The US had always historically been like the EU. It is the UNITED States of America, just like the EU is the European UNION. I do agree that many "leftists," like me, would like to see the diminishing of nationalism and the rise of globalism. Many on the left, again like me, would also like to see a move from capitalism towards socialism. And yes, I know, many, especially those on the right, would not like to see that at all.

That is indeed several aspects of the widening, and unfortunately increasingly violence-prone, political gap between us. ????

Excellent comment. One of the problems in the US is the media and it is difficult go get any socialist agenda out when the very word 'socialist' is used as an insult.....as in socialised medicine, in use in all developed countries of the world except one. Bernie Sanders was labeled a socialist. And the first thing a deplorable will say about socialism is "Venezuela". They don't say Sweden or Denmark or Norway.....no always socialism/Venezuela/100000000% inflation. A simple but nonsensical argument shuts down debate. If you asked people if they felt that income should be doled out more fairly instead of the CEO hogging 95% of it, then maybe you would get a different answer....

[abrahamzvi]

7 minutes ago, patsfangr said:

You're SO wrong, JT. I was, for most of my adult life, what people used to call a "moderate Republican". I'm fiscally conservative. I believe in small federal government, as defined within the US Constitution, which I fully support, including all of the freedoms granted within the Bill of Rights. I support the US military, and, on the overall level, all law enforcement organizations. (The caveat there being that those who violate the trust place in them, and there will always be some, should be severely punished for that violation.) Socially, though it is NO BUSINESS of the federal government, I am "pro choice" on abortion; so the "right wing" label goes out the window there. I proudly proclaim myself to be a nationalist, since I believe the the USA, though definitely not perfect, is the greatest nation in the history of the world. Apparently, based upon the constant attempted emigration to the USA, both legally and illegally, most of the world agrees with me on that last point. ... As for President Trump, I have never liked the man as an individual; but I totally support his agenda. It is, for the most part, my agenda. His methods sometimes make me cringe. But those methods have been successful in motivating and mobilizing the Republican "silent majority" to go to the polls and prevent the socialist takeover of the USA by the George Soros funded Democrats and brainwashed young "cultists" of today. I, like millions of others, voted AGAINST Hillary (and Soros), and FOR the agenda presented by Donald Trump. Based upon what has happened over the first year and 10 months of his administration, I would certainly repeat that vote if the election were repeated today. So please, forget about Donald Trump's personality. He is pushing the agenda that America needs. And using FACTUAL DATA, there is nothing therein that is damaging America. Quite to the contrary. 

Apart fro everything else  I disagree with, I have to correct you. More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than for President Trump. As far as the popular vote is concerned, he lost the elections to " the George Soros funded Democrats and brainwashed young "cults" of today". I sincerely hope that the "silent majority" financed by the Casino mogul, Mr. Sheldon Adelson, will be taught a lesson on November 6.

[Boon Mee]

51 minutes ago, patsfangr said:

The fact that Americans rejected socialism by electing a President who truly wants to put AMERICA FIRST is proof that the country is headed in the right direction. President Trump is leading America to precisely what Samui Bodah described. 

So many of the posters here have no idea about what is happening in America. They get their information from the extremely left wing American media; which uses a combination of lies, exaggerations, and biased speculation to hide the truth. The FACT is that the American economy is reversing the path to disaster that Obama's socialism had created. The unemployment rate is nearing an all time low, and that INCLUDES black Americans! Businesses are returning manufacturing plants from foreign countries. Taxes are lower, giving all Americans more money to improve their quality of life. And for the fool who said that "the rich pay no taxes", do a little research. The top 10% of income earners in the USA pay 75% of the taxes! Stop reading the lies from people like Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and the rest of the George Soros funded Democrats. America is doing MUCH better than it ever did under Barack Obama, the man who truly divided the country and incited the discontent and violence that grew during his 8 disastrous years in office. If the country can keep its borders secure, and prevent the invasion that the Democrats want, the REAL Americans will see improvement continue under its modified capitalist economy, with real opportunity for ALL  citizens continuing to rise. America will continue to be the bright shining light in the darkness that threatens to destroy the world. 

Your post wins the Thread, patsfangr. Well said, sir! 

Those Nattering Nabobs of Negativism simply won't recognize DJT's accomplishments moving America forward in the right direction. 

[abrahamzvi]

3 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Excellent comment. One of the problems in the US is the media and it is difficult go get any socialist agenda out when the very word 'socialist' is used as an insult.....as in socialised medicine, in use in all developed countries of the world except one. Bernie Sanders was labeled a socialist. And the first thing a deplorable will say about socialism is "Venezuela". They don't say Sweden or Denmark or Norway.....no always socialism/Venezuela/100000000% inflation. A simple but nonsensical argument shuts down debate. If you asked people if they felt that income should be doled out more fairly instead of the CEO hogging 95% of it, then maybe you would get a different answer....

I do agree with most of what you say, only I believe that the word "socialism" should be replaced by the words "Social Democracy" I believe that that is what Bernie Sanders is calling for and if it is communicated properly, most Americans will agree with such a system, which prevails in most democratic countries of Europe, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany Netherlands and others.

[patsfangr]

Just now, abrahamzvi said:

Apart fro everything else  I disagree with, I have to correct you. More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than for President Trump. As far as the popular vote is concerned, he lost the elections to " the George Soros funded Democrats and brainwashed young "cults" of today". I sincerely hope that the "silent majority" financed by the Casino mogul, Mr. Sheldon Adelson, will be taught a lesson on November 6.

Thankfully, the authors of the US Constitution recognized that the "majority" is NOT always properly motivated, or adequately educated and informed enough to make the best decisions. That is why they created the Electoral College, which balances the influence of all elements of society on elections. Today, the EC prevents the over populated, under educated city dwellers in America from ruining the lives of the "geographical majority" of the USA; her "heartland" people. 

 

[Time Traveller]

3 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

I don't much care what happens within the US, if they want to live with huge numbers of guns, cops that shoot unarmed blacks claiming self defence, rich that pay no taxes, poor education that discourages critical thinking and endless greed then that is ok. That is why I left the country.

 

But my problem is with the world outside that suffers from US bullying and aggression based on lies and false flags. The US sees itself at having the right to depose elected leaders, meddle in elections, spy including bugging leaders' phones, start wars all over the globe killing millions and blighting the lives of billions...then I have real problems.

 

If you are so stupid and dense to want to live in the US  where democracy is bought and paid for by corporations and the mega rich elite; where you are encouraged to go deep into debt to consume the meaningless baubles and stays symbols that they produce at outrageous prices....then by all means do it. But please don't inflict your awful values and way of life on other countries that wish to live more quietly and sensibly.

 

And in case you think I was one of the losers in the US, you couldn't be more wrong. America was good to me for a long, long time with a high level, ultra secure job in a large immensely profitable corporation. The US changed under George W Bush, after 9/11. With endless war then being actively promoted as the way to economic glory. It was based oglies and still is. The US has a fascist economic model in the true meaning of fascism ie the state and government each supporting and profiting from each other. Trump has added another awful dimension to this economic model...and that is an autocratic style of government. The historical omens for this are very bad indeed.

I'm pretty happy living in a country like that.

My problem is the rest of the world when they ask military help from United States to protect them from any agressor nation.

Or, ask for aid money.

Or, expect America to resettle millions of migrants from those countries each year - whether as refugee or illegals.

Or, want to sell goods to America freely but then block American products from being sold into their nations then complain about free trade.

Yes sir, if you're dumb enough to not realize just how positively America impacts the world, then by all means detach yourself from America and go and live without internet, TV, electricity, automobiles, aircraft, and anything else America created.

Edited October 28, 2018 by Time Traveller