snoop1130 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Thai army paid much, much more for same helo used by King power CEO By Teeranai Charuvastra, Staff Reporter Image: Rach1968 / Blogspot BANGKOK — While the media have saturated the country with tributes to the duty-free tycoon who died in a helicopter crash Saturday, a transparency activist noticed something unusual in the details. Srisuwan Janya noted today that the military paid nearly three times as much as Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha did for the same type of chopper that he lost his life in. And Srisuwan, a persistent good-governance petitioner, wanted to know why. Full Story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2018/11/01/thai-army-paid-much-much-more-for-same-helo-used-by-king-power-ceo/ -- © Copyright Khaosod English 2018-11-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thaiwrath Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) the military paid nearly three times as much as Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha did for the same type of chopper that he lost his life in. And Srisuwan, a persistent good-governance petitioner, wanted to know why. I think we all know why, the real question is WHO ? Edited November 1, 2018 by Thaiwrath 28 1 5 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just1Voice Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 Well, hell, that's an easy one to figure out. New Benz and BMW's are expensive! 19 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nikmar Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 things that make you go "hmmm" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ukrules Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Just1Voice said: Because it's imported. Automatically double(s) the price. Mini Cooper in LOS is 3 times more expensive than it is in the states. The new Ford Mustang now available is 2.5 times more than the price in the states. Why is the Italian made helicopter more expensive ? Thai government greed, that's why. Edited November 1, 2018 by ukrules 4 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hank Gunn Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 But, but, Thaksin was corrupt... 12 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAG Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 Equally interesting is that of the 12 bought, between 2012 and 2017, only 5 are still working Presumably, the difference in costs cannot be explained by a spare parts and maintenance package then... 15 1 4 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KittenKong Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, snoop1130 said: Srisuwan Janya noted today that the military paid nearly three times as much as Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha did for the same type of chopper that he lost his life in. And Srisuwan, a persistent good-governance petitioner, wanted to know why. Maybe the ones the military bought work properly? 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 Because military helicopters have a lot more dedicated and specialist equipment that is fitted after the basic airframe is bought. Different radar, plating, rocket pods, gun control systems, anti-missile flare launchers, military radio systems bla bla bla. 30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, ukrules said: Why is the Italian made helicopter more expensive ? Thai government greed, that's why. Is a Ferrari/Lambourghini from Italy the same price in LOS as in Italy? Guess not.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 31 minutes ago, Just1Voice said: Because it's imported. Automatically double(s) the price. Mini Cooper in LOS is 3 times more expensive than it is in the states. The new Ford Mustang now available is 2.5 times more than the price in the states. I think it safe to assume there is no 'official' import duty on Military Items.... but it would appear there is a 'taxation' of sorts... No surprise there, dig a little deeper and I think the Majority of such items are significantly more costly than transparency can account for. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tc88biker Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 The Army got AW 139,the crashed one was a AW169. Its smaller 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NCC1701A Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 54 minutes ago, snoop1130 said: Srisuwan, a persistent good-governance petitioner, wanted to know why. bar, hot tub, sound system, lighting, bedroom... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thian Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tc88biker said: The Army got AW 139,the crashed one was a AW169. Its smaller Come on, don't spill the beans now...they were having so much fun bashing the junta. Edited November 1, 2018 by Thian 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darksidedog Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 Vichais was much cheaper because he probably got it duty free! Buying in Thailand includes paying something to everyone in sight, which naturally triples prices. 5 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post asiaexpat Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 First of all for those unfamiliar with military procurement, especially aircraft, the cost per unit normally includes training pilots, spare parts, and technical support. Additionally, military helicopters are built to a completely different standard and configuration than civil models with the same basic model designation. Graft can add to the total cost for sure, but not the only cause for price differences. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, overherebc said: Because military helicopters have a lot more dedicated and specialist equipment that is fitted after the basic airframe is bought. Different radar, plating, rocket pods, gun control systems, anti-missile flare launchers, military radio systems bla bla bla. ^^ What he said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off road pat Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, KittenKong said: Maybe the ones the military bought work properly? Hmm,...A post preceding yours stated that of 12 helicopters purchased by the Thai military only 5 still worked !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denim Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 Metal green camouflage paint. Very expensive stuff. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, asiaexpat said: First of all for those unfamiliar with military procurement, especially aircraft, the cost per unit normally includes training pilots, spare parts, and technical support. Additionally, military helicopters are built to a completely different standard and configuration than civil models with the same basic model designation. Graft can add to the total cost for sure, but not the only cause for price differences. Yep. Civvy jobs you get a choice of colour, types of seat and comms for passengers. Maybe a bit extra soundproofing. No fragment proof plating around the power unit etc etc, unless you're James Bond. ???? Edited November 1, 2018 by overherebc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post off road pat Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, asiaexpat said: First of all for those unfamiliar with military procurement, especially aircraft, the cost per unit normally includes training pilots, spare parts, and technical support. Additionally, military helicopters are built to a completely different standard and configuration than civil models with the same basic model designation. Graft can add to the total cost for sure, but not the only cause for price differences. Excellent explanation, Thx...The Thai military can copy your answer and go on from there !!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Hank Gunn said: But, but, Thaksin was corrupt... Wasn't he the master teacher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, Denim said: Metal green camouflage paint. Very expensive stuff. That's possible if they used the radar-misleading paint like on stealth aircrafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psimbo Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Completely different fits for military and civil aircraft avionics and other stuff wise. Military aircraft are inherently more expensive than their civil counterparts. Doesn't stop the uninformed gnashing their teeth and beating their chests though. As pointed out they are two different types of a/c as well 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A1Str8 Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 Of course they paid more. That's how those in "power" make money. I guess the joke is on them since there's only one problem with theft. Karma comes calling. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricky Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Defense Ministry spokesman Kongcheep Tantravanich said there is a difference between civilian and military models of the helicopters, hence the gap in price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hank Gunn Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 36 minutes ago, sweatalot said: Wasn't he the master teacher? No, he just stood out because he was an outsider relative to the "old guard"/established elite in Bangkok. Also, while the "power establishment" have used, and continue to use the army to maintain their power, Thaksin, with his police connections, would have cut them out of the pig trough as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Import taxes, it's Italian. Tax was collected by ... ermh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, asiaexpat said: First of all for those unfamiliar with military procurement, especially aircraft, the cost per unit normally includes training pilots, spare parts, and technical support. Additionally, military helicopters are built to a completely different standard and configuration than civil models with the same basic model designation. Graft can add to the total cost for sure, but not the only cause for price differences. Three times the price? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Topdoc Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, overherebc said: Because military helicopters have a lot more dedicated and specialist equipment that is fitted after the basic airframe is bought. Different radar, plating, rocket pods, gun control systems, anti-missile flare launchers, military radio systems bla bla bla. But if you read the article it says" A military-outfitted AW139 helicopter, the same model bought by the Thai army, reportedly sold for about 348 million baht apiece in 2013, according to Aviation International News. So, the question remains, why did they pay 675 million to 737 million baht for each one? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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