Non-Immigrant O visa based on Marriage, TM30 implications

[stament]

If you get a Non-Immigrant O visa (based on Marriage) are you still require to comply with TM30 requirements if you are planning to do a trip outside the country after 90 days?  Note the visa application will have our family home in Chiang Mai. 

 

I've read some members say that it isn't required and some say it is!

 

Very confusing subject......

 

Responses much appreciated, thanks in advance. 

[ubonjoe]

If you have a multiple entry non-o visa you will not need to worry about the TM30 report unless you want to do something at immigration. For example applying for the 60 day extension to visit your wife.

If you do the TM30 report a Chiang Mai immigration you don't have to submit a new TM30 form every time you enter the country. They will just stamp the receipt for first TM30 report you did to show the new entry.
 

[elviajero]

Short answer is yes.

 

By law every time you enter the country, even if returning to your usual address, someone should file a TM.30. Whether or not you need to will depend on your local office.

[stament]

41 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If you have a multiple entry non-o visa you will not need to worry about the TM30 report unless you want to do something at immigration. For example applying for the 60 day extension to visit your wife.

If you do the TM30 report a Chiang Mai immigration you don't have to submit a new TM30 form every time you enter the country. They will just stamp the receipt for first TM30 report you did to show the new entry.
 

I don't want to do anything at Immigration so I'm ok not to complete the TM30 and exit the country after 90 days and receive another 90 days without further recourse?

[stament]

Two replies two different answers, easy to see why people like me are so confused ????

[ubonjoe]

Just now, stament said:

Two replies two different answers, easy to see why people like me are so confused ????

There is the law interpreted by one person and another based upon reality. If you don't need to do anything at immigration nobody is going to chase you down for not doing the report.

[elviajero]

2 hours ago, stament said:

Two replies two different answers, easy to see why people like me are so confused ????

The two replies are not mutually exclusive.

 

What the other member is telling you is that if you don’t go near an immigration office you are highly unlikely to be caught; which is true, but doesn’t change the fact that the law requires someone to report your stay.

 

You can ignore the law/rules and hope you don’t get caught. Or ask your local office what they require of you.

 

The law and requirements are crystal clear, what causes confusion is the way each office enforces the law.

[stament]

Thanks gents. Decisions decisions on whether I go to immigration LOL.

 

 

[AYJAYDEE]

31 minutes ago, stament said:

Thanks gents. Decisions decisions on whether I go to immigration LOL.

 

 

you can not be sure you will never need to go to immigration so why not file one and be 100% legal?

[stament]

1 hour ago, AYJAYDEE said:

you can not be sure you will never need to go to immigration so why not file one and be 100% legal?

Why the ???? not

[Maestro]

Stament, the basic questions is this: are you the house-master or the owner of the residence at which you arrive after your entry into Thailand? The answer to this question is important because section 38 of the Immigration Act requires the housemaster or the owner or the possessor of the residence to notify the arrival of foreigners at the residence.

 

The definition of "house-master" is in section 4 of the Immigration Act.

[PoorSucker]

3 hours ago, elviajero said:

The two replies are not mutually exclusive.

The house master shall report to immigration with TM30.

 

[elviajero]

2 hours ago, stament said:

Thanks gents. Decisions decisions on whether I go to immigration LOL.

As pointed out above, It is unlikely that you can complete the TM.30 given you’re living with family.

 

You will need the owner or house-master (probably the same person) to complete the TM.30. They might also want a copy of that persons ID/Tabian Baan (house registration book). You can deliver/submit it.

[elviajero]

20 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

The house master shall report to immigration with TM30.

Or owner, or possessor.

[Maestro]

The OP's question boils down to this: After a foreigner indicates on his visa application form the address at which he intends to stay in Thailand and subsequently, following his arrival in Thailand goes to stay at that address, does the housemaster or the owner or the possessor of the residence have to notify his arrival to immigration?

 

The answer is that this is indeed a requirement under section 30 of the Immigration Act but that currently not all immigration offices enforce it.

[stament]

6 hours ago, Maestro said:

Stament, the basic questions is this: are you the house-master or the owner of the residence at which you arrive after your entry into Thailand? The answer to this question is important because section 38 of the Immigration Act requires the housemaster or the owner or the possessor of the residence to notify the arrival of foreigners at the residence.

 

The definition of "house-master" is in section 4 of the Immigration Act.

No but my wife is and I wouldn't want her getting into trouble. 

 

Normally I arrive on holiday and don't need a visa just fill in the landing immigration card so don't concern myself with going to immigration. This time I will be on a non immigrant O visa with my wife and her home address recorded as part of the visa application hence my concern. I think best to go to immigration.

[stament]

6 hours ago, elviajero said:

As pointed out above, It is unlikely that you can complete the TM.30 given you’re living with family.

 

You will need the owner or house-master (probably the same person) to complete the TM.30. They might also want a copy of that persons ID/Tabian Baan (house registration book). You can deliver/submit it.

My wife is the owner and gas the book etc

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, stament said:

Normally I arrive on holiday and don't need a visa just fill in the landing immigration card so don't concern myself with going to immigration. This time I will be on a non immigrant O visa with my wife and her home address recorded as part of the visa application hence my concern. I think best to go to immigration.

Immigration would have no record of your visa application. There is no linkage between them and embassies or consulates.

The only time immigration would know about your residence would be if you went to do something at the office.

[stament]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Immigration would have no record of your visa application. There is no linkage between them and embassies or consulates.

The only time immigration would know about your residence would be if you went to do something at the office.

In that case why open up the TM30 can of worms as a friend advised me. Most of my visits are just a couple of weeks and it's only this trip I was concerned about as shall be arriving in a Non-Immigrant O visa.

 

Based on all the TV members good advice I will take the risk and not worry about the TM30. I shall be staying in hotels in TH during my trip so at some point the BIB will know where I am.

 

Thanks all, extremely helpful as usual.

 

 

[elviajero]

8 hours ago, stament said:

In that case why open up the TM30 can of worms as a friend advised me. Most of my visits are just a couple of weeks and it's only this trip I was concerned about as shall be arriving in a Non-Immigrant O visa.

 

Based on all the TV members good advice I will take the risk and not worry about the TM30. I shall be staying in hotels in TH during my trip so at some point the BIB will know where I am.

 

Thanks all, extremely helpful as usual.

When you arrive in the country you complete a TM.6 arrival card with the address you're going to stay at. If the "BIB" were to come looking for you they would go there first. Whenever you arrive at an address -- hotel or private residence -- someone is supposed to report your arrival/stay. It's effectively a third party confirmation of your whereabouts. As you move around from place to place a new TM.30 is supposed to be submitted so the BIB can, in theory, keep a track of your whereabouts. No one reports that you've left an address so the BIB would come looking for you at the last address you were reported as staying at, or a known address. A completely flawed and pointless exercise.

 

I wouldn't bother making a TM.30 report if I were you, but it's important to know the possible consequences if you don't and get found out. The only way you can know those consequences is to ask your local immigration office.